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06-05-2022, 11:57 AM
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1 Rivet Member
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Wynnewood
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 17
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Trailer Brake Screeching
I have a 2018 Flying Cloud. Drove 6 hours to a champ ground, no issues.
Stopped for 30 -45 minutes, as we moved to site, the trailer's right side front wheel started scheeching. Initial thought was possible a bearing issue, good samaritans feel it is the trailer brake is locked up.
Miles away from any service area.
Can I drive on it?
Is there any field procedure(quick fix) I can follow.
Any thoughts, suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
7 Day camp site, arr 6/4, departure 6/11.
Help!
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06-05-2022, 01:38 PM
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4 Rivet Member
Little falls
, New York
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 457
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Have the tools to pull the wheel to take a looksie? Everything otherwise is just a guess.
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Originally Posted by TJPL1970
I have a 2018 Flying Cloud. Drove 6 hours to a champ ground, no issues.
Stopped for 30 -45 minutes, as we moved to site, the trailer's right side front wheel started scheeching. Initial thought was possible a bearing issue, good samaritans feel it is the trailer brake is locked up.
Miles away from any service area.
Can I drive on it?
Is there any field procedure(quick fix) I can follow.
Any thoughts, suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
7 Day camp site, arr 6/4, departure 6/11.
Help!
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06-05-2022, 02:13 PM
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Rivet Master
2004 28' Classic
Monument
, Colorado
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,566
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Or find a mobile RV service guy to come to the camp site. I would not drive on it until fixed.
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2004 Airstream Classic 28 "Willard"
2023 Ram 3500 4x4
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06-05-2022, 02:18 PM
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4 Rivet Member
Little falls
, New York
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 457
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Absolutely. If you think something is wrong, something is wrong.
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Originally Posted by DaveP
Or find a mobile RV service guy to come to the camp site. I would not drive on it until fixed.
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06-05-2022, 03:45 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2004 22' International CCD
Beaumont
, California
Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 473
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Do NOT pull the trailer.
You can jack up that one hub/swing arm, get the tire off the ground, and see if it spins freely.
If it won’t turn by hand at all, you can try turning the brake adjuster nut using a flat blade screwdriver, to loosen the brake shoes (drum-style brakes). See your Airstream manual for proper adjustment.
If it does turn by hand, but not smoothly at all, then it’s likely a bad bearing. You cannot pull the trailer until it’s fixed (replaced).
-Ken
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06-06-2022, 02:05 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 25' International
West Lake Hills
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 1,633
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Turning the adjuster won’t loosen the brake if the guts are jammed between the show and the drum.
Remove the wheel. Remove the drum. Remove the guts of the brake assembly. Put it back together. Keep driving. Drum removal requires 36mm or 1 7/16 socket and snap ring pliers. With a breaker bar, the wheel comes off easily but the socket wants to slip off the nut. Torque it to 150 ft#. I’ve removed two at campgrounds. Takes less than 30 minutes. First time, I borrowed a neighboring camper’s socket and pliers. Second time, I had my own tools. Now I carry extra brake assemblies…one left, one right. I also carry a cordless impact wrench to ease drum removal.
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06-08-2022, 07:47 AM
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1 Rivet Member
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Wynnewood
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 17
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Thanks you for responses, I have located a RV mechanic who will addressing issue today. Crossing my fingers hoping all goes well and I 'll be mobile again
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06-08-2022, 07:55 AM
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Site Team
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere
, South Carolina
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,436
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Good luck, post pics of findings?
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06-08-2022, 03:02 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2004 22' International CCD
Beaumont
, California
Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 473
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Curious how to remove a drum if the “guts” are jammed? What part is the “show”?
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06-08-2022, 04:30 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 25' International
West Lake Hills
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 1,633
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ndcctrucks
Curious how to remove a drum if the “guts” are jammed? What part is the “show”?
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"Show" = shoe. Typo.
My very limited experience is that the drum comes off even when jammed up by the guts of the brake assembly. Give it a yank. But, I've done this with jammed up brakes all of two times, so....not a lot of data.
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06-14-2022, 04:22 AM
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Site Team
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere
, South Carolina
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,436
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TJPL1970,
It looks like you tried to post pics to my profile comments, nothing there. If you have pics and can add to thread that might help others learn and maybe additional oh yeah comments.
Gary
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06-14-2022, 05:58 AM
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Rivet Master
2019 25' International
Providence
, Senior Electrical Engineer
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,135
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I'd be interested in what happened, please update when you have a moment. Hope it was a simple fix.
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06-14-2022, 06:10 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2013 23' International
Aloha
, Oregon
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 63
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fungus
"Show" = shoe. Typo.
My very limited experience is that the drum comes off even when jammed up by the guts of the brake assembly. Give it a yank. But, I've done this with jammed up brakes all of two times, so....not a lot of data.
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I’m currenrly experiencing a similar problem. The initial symptom was jerky brakes at low speed. I turned down the trailer brake gain on my Prodigy RF brake controller which reduced the symptom but means I rely more on the TV brakes than I like. When we pulled into a gravel campsite my wife observed that the right rear wheel locked up and skidded on the gravel when I braked. I ran the right front wheel up onto a yellow block ramp so the offending wheel was off the ground. The wheel spun freely with just a little resistance which is about right for brake shoe adjustment. I plugged the Prodigy remote into the cigarette lighter outlet in the trailer and applied brakes manually while a friend spun the wheel. The brakes gradually applied resistance until at full braking the wheel stopped spinning. When I released the brakes, the wheel was still locked, but a good turn manually would release it. I pulled the wheel and drum. All parts were in place, the magnet looked worn but not excessively so, the armature surface had some light grooves but also not too bad. Brake shoes looked good and the drum braking surface look good. I moved the magnet manually - the primary shoe moved like it’s supposed to, but the secondary shoe did not which is normal with the drum off. There was a lot of dirt and crud and the pivot points for the moving parts were dry so I lightly lubed these as directed by the Dexter manual and reassembled. We’ll see tomorrow if the problem is resolved. Not sure if this is completely relevant but I thought our experience may lend useful clues to resolution.
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06-14-2022, 06:35 AM
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Site Team
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere
, South Carolina
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,436
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PeterDB
Good observations. Just remember brakes get same signal from controller so one brake misbehaving problem should be behind the drum. Lubing those contact points good thing. Yours has self adjusting brakes correct?
Gary
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06-14-2022, 07:09 PM
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1 Rivet Member
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Wynnewood
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 17
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Photos from the disassembled RH Brake assembly.
Along with the damaged brake pad and loose parts the Drum was also scored.
Question, can the Drum be reused/repaired? Can the surface be reground smoothed?
A new Hub and Drum assembly, AS quoted $1,271 plus $115 shipping, 3-4 wks out.
Will a 2018 25' FB FC axle also except a EZ Lube Drum?
Will the trailer roll with 3 NEV Lube and 1 EZ lube Drum?
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06-14-2022, 07:14 PM
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1 Rivet Member
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Wynnewood
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 17
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added photo
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJPL1970
Photos from the disassembled RH Brake assembly.
Along with the damaged brake pad and loose parts the Drum was also scored.
Question, can the Drum be reused/repaired? Can the surface be reground smoothed?
A new Hub and Drum assembly, AS quoted $1,271 plus $115 shipping, 3-4 wks out.
Will a 2018 25' FB FC axle also except a EZ Lube Drum?
Will the trailer roll with 3 NEV Lube and 1 EZ lube Drum?
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06-14-2022, 07:20 PM
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Site Team
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere
, South Carolina
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,436
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Trailer Brake Schreechiing
Nev-R-Lube axle will only accept Nev-R-Lube drum. Not interchangeable with E-Z-Lube.
You had a Nev-R-Adjust failure by your pics. You might want to reach out to Dexter customer service.
If you need temp recourse put it together w/o that brake with the understanding that you are on three brakes on trailer. Your decision.
Drum condition no comment. No pics and turning drum actually has max dimension spec.
Thanks for pics.
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16" Michelins, Hi Spec Wheels, Max Brake, Dexter 4 Piston Disc Brakes, Carslile Actuator, Equal-I-Zer, Dill TPMS. Campfire cook. BMV-712. DEMCO 21K Lb Cast Iron coupler
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06-14-2022, 08:22 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 25' International
West Lake Hills
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 1,633
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Your discovery is not surprising. I would replace the entire assembly.
The drum can be resurfaced at a machine shop. A good machine shop will be able to tell you if there is enough material to have adequate heat dissipation. If you need a new drum, order one from etrailer.com, who can tell you the correct drum to order.
As for the cost...if you have removed the drum yourself you can put it all back together. Just get the drum resurfaced. I would install a new brake assembly. Wild guess...you have a 12-inch brake assembly. I purchased my Dexter assemblies from Amazon. Or get the Lippert for half the price. Lippert link is just one side. You should replace both the left and the right. Touch the contact points with a bit of lube. Seems there are three contact points at the back of each shoe (not pad) and the obvious contact points on the guts. Doesn't take much lube. Avoid getting lube on the surface of the brake shoe.
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06-14-2022, 08:38 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 27' Safari FB SE
NW Oregon in a nice spot
, Oregon
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 879
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To help you get home....drums can be resurfaced if within specs. Any auto parts store such as O'reilly, Napa, Autozone, etc. that does rotors can handle it. If they can't, then best advice is figure out disconnect and get home safely. I have had some early life sketchy times towing with an overweight trailer for the Tahoe,....and had my 12 year old son who would listen for brake noise and tell me we toasted or were close to things...gotta love the dyslexic mind....the kid could see and hear stuff...
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06-14-2022, 09:00 PM
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Moderator dude
1966 26' Overlander
Phoenix
, Arizona
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,501
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The drum can be resurfaced or machined up to a point.
Typically, the maximum amount of metal that can be removed is 90 thousandths of an inch. Again, typically the max diameter of the drum is stamped on the drum somewhere.
After the drum is at or beyond the limit most shops will not re-mount the drum because there is liability if they do install it. A new drum will be required.
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