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02-04-2021, 12:07 PM
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New Member
1997 25' Safari
2006 30' Classic
Reedley
, California
Join Date: May 2013
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Electric over hydraulic brakes
My wife and I purchased a used 2006 30" Classic that has electric over hydraulic brakes. I also purchased a 2020 GMC Sierra 2500 HD Denali 4X4 that has an integrated brake controller, I am having trouble with it not working with the brakes on the trailer. We also have a 1997 25' Safari with just electric brakes and the truck and trailer brakes work just fine. I need help in what to do to get my truck and the brakes on the Classic to work. Thanks.
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02-04-2021, 02:09 PM
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Site Team
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere
, South Carolina
Join Date: Apr 2010
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If you are all hooked up and press on the brake pedal or apply brakes using the slider control, do you hear a motor/pump sound?
I have a 2007 Classic with EOH and have a decent knowledge of it.
Gary
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02-04-2021, 05:10 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2021 16' Bambi
2021 22' Bambi
Currently Looking...
North Port
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2007
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Possibly the pump is not working on the trailer? My 05 Safari has factory EOH brakes and I have the same truck as you. Time to pull out the test light and start diagnosing.
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02-04-2021, 06:11 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2019 30' Flying Cloud
Grass Lake
, Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2018
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Check the truck owners manual. On the RAM & Ford trucks, there’s a separate setting on the brake controller for EOH brakes. Last I heard, GM didn’t support EOH in their factory brake controller, but that may be fixed on the newer models.
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02-04-2021, 06:30 PM
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Rivet Master
2002 30' Classic S/O
Fleming Island
, Florida
Join Date: Nov 2013
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Others have solved a similar problem by taking an old brake magnet and wiring it in between the brake blue wire and ground on the trailer. This fools the TV brake controller into thinking it is working with conventional electric brakes. This was a problem with some older (early to mid 2000's) TVs.
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02-05-2021, 09:44 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2022 30' Flying Cloud
Phoenix
, Arizona
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OK, there is a lot of rust in my mind on this issue but here goes. If you have the original brake actuator, I think it was from Dexter, there was an issue with connecting it to an integrated brake controller. There was a module that could be purchased from the auto dealer (?) that was placed between the controller and actuator that told the controller that the actuator is active.
Also, the original actuator had a recall. Check with your AS dealer. The replacement does not have the issue with the IBC.
As I said I'm rusty on this but it is a known problem.
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02-05-2021, 10:46 AM
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Site Team
2008 30' Classic S/O
Hampton Beach
, New Hampshire
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,188
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EOH Brake Recall Info
From previous posts...there was a recall on the brake system from 2010 that affects 2005-2009 AirStream Classics.
We bought our 2008 used in 2016 and the recall hadn't been completed on the unit. AirStream funded the parts and labor to complete the repairs. This was the controller and rubber brake lines at the axles. Two separate recalls that affected the brakes.
If it matters our TV is a 15' DMax and the brakes work awesome with the integrated controller.
I've included a copy of the recall info from NHTSA for reference. Any AS Dealer should be able to help you.
Best!
Tom - S/OS #025
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02-05-2021, 01:49 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2007 30' Classic
Anahuac
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 44
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EOH Brakes
Hello
I had the same problem with my 07 classic. I have a 09 Chevy duramax I had to wire a brake magnet in the harness to make my factory controller recognize the trailer.
Good luck Steve
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02-05-2021, 02:08 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 27' International
Sherwood Park
, Alberta
Join Date: Jul 2017
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I had a 2016 and 2018 Duramax towing a trailer with electric over hydraulic brakes and the factory brake controller worked fine in both trucks.
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02-05-2021, 02:12 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 13,656
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oldenavy
Check the truck owners manual. On the RAM & Ford trucks, there’s a separate setting on the brake controller for EOH brakes. Last I heard, GM didn’t support EOH in their factory brake controller, but that may be fixed on the newer models.
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2014 and forward (1500s) and 2015 forward for the rest, there is no problem. My 2015 Silverado 1500 works very well with itbc. My AS actuator is the gray (non recalled) unit, is now 14 years old and works flawlessly...if you can believe that! I change brake fluid every 4 or 5 years.
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02-05-2021, 02:16 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 13,656
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I suggest first pulling the breakaway pin on the AS. If pump doesn't run, theres an AS problem...wiring or actuator.
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02-05-2021, 02:46 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 13,656
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So the recalled unit is whiteish and the fill cap is up high. The problem with those was a reservoir leak onto the circuit board. This means a failed unit. Since Actibrake is out of business (the recall bankrupted them) you'll have to buy a new one if yours is bad.
I figure it is a matter of time for me, but the second style keeps ticking along.
My favored replacement will be from Tucson engineering.
https://tusonrvbrakes.com/collection...-act-1000-1600
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02-05-2021, 03:49 PM
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New Member
1997 25' Safari
2006 30' Classic
Reedley
, California
Join Date: May 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GCinSC2
If you are all hooked up and press on the brake pedal or apply brakes using the slider control, do you hear a motor/pump sound?
I have a 2007 Classic with EOH and have a decent knowledge of it.
Gary
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When I hook the TV to the trailer, I can either press the brake pedal or push the controller slide and the pump works for about 3 seconds and then it stops and on my TV it says check trailer brakes and then goes to service trailer brakes.
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02-05-2021, 03:56 PM
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Site Team
2008 30' Classic S/O
Hampton Beach
, New Hampshire
Join Date: Jan 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dznf0g
Since Actibrake is out of business (the recall bankrupted them) you'll have to buy a new one if yours is bad.
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Rich - We didn't pay for anything when the recall repairs were done on our unit in 2016...AirStream did. No buying of anything...just time in the shop for them to do it for us. Contact an AirStream Dealer...
Tom - S/OS #025
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02-05-2021, 04:03 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by STREMN
Rich - We didn't pay for anything when the recall repairs were done on our unit in 2016...AirStream did. No buying of anything...just time in the shop for them to do it for us. Contact an AirStream Dealer...
Tom - S/OS #025
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Well that's good news. AS is taking it on the chin since actibrake went bankrupt. Maybe they were in line for asset claim.
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02-05-2021, 04:05 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
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Quote:
Originally Posted by conradz1997
When I hook the TV to the trailer, I can either press the brake pedal or push the controller slide and the pump works for about 3 seconds and then it stops and on my TV it says check trailer brakes and then goes to service trailer brakes.
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Pull the pin on the breakaway switch. If it is like gen2, pump should run for 20 seconds then shut off and hold pressure on the calipers.
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02-05-2021, 04:05 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by STREMN
Rich - We didn't pay for anything when the recall repairs were done on our unit in 2016...AirStream did. No buying of anything...just time in the shop for them to do it for us. Contact an AirStream Dealer...
Tom - S/OS #025
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What brand did they install?
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02-05-2021, 04:07 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by conradz1997
When I hook the TV to the trailer, I can either press the brake pedal or push the controller slide and the pump works for about 3 seconds and then it stops and on my TV it says check trailer brakes and then goes to service trailer brakes.
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Can you post a pic of your actuator?
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02-05-2021, 04:54 PM
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Site Team
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere
, South Carolina
Join Date: Apr 2010
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Have you checked the setup controls for the brake controller?
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16" Michelins, Hi Spec Wheels, Max Brake, Dexter 4 Piston Disc Brakes, Carslile Actuator, Equal-I-Zer, Dill TPMS. Campfire cook. BMV-712. DEMCO 21K Lb Cast Iron coupler
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02-06-2021, 06:53 AM
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Site Team
2008 30' Classic S/O
Hampton Beach
, New Hampshire
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,188
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EOH Safety Recall
Quote:
Originally Posted by dznf0g
What brand did they install?
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Hi Rich,
The Actuator was replaced with a: Dexter Model E/H 1600
For reference the recall inspection procedure: Actuator Recall Inspection.pdf
AirStream Customer Recall Notice Actuator: RCONL-10V344-3988.pdf
AirStream Customer Recall Notice Brake Lines: RCONL-12V532-0123.pdf
Tom - S/OS #025
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