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Old 07-02-2020, 07:34 AM   #1
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White Wall tires

Has anyone tried the WW trailer tires at Vintage Trailer Supply yet?

Mine are 225R15's and I see they sell 205R15's is it ok to go from a 225 to a 205?

I was going to paint a white wall on my existing tires but according to all the reviews its hard to find a white wall paint that sticks?


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Old 07-02-2020, 07:48 AM   #2
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Curious. Why change to narrower tire
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Curious. Why change to narrower tire
I cannot seem to find a 225 WW trailer tire?
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Old 07-02-2020, 09:23 AM   #4
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Don’t go down in tire size because the load rate will also go down .

In your case you would look good when you put on the 205 white wall tires ,

But not so good on the side of the road with shredded tire and aluminum because it couldn’t carry the load .

You can get white walls vulcanized to a new 225 by a specialty tire shop . There is one in Portland,Oregon and cities closer to you.

Another option but tacky is flappy white walls the type that are held on by the bead .
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I hope you find the white walls youíre looking for because I definitely hope to see you rocking them on the road one day!
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The smaller sized tire may or may not be an issue.

I assume it is going on your 1966 AS. If correct, any tire made to todays standard is far better than period tires. It is also possible to get a smaller tire with a higher load rating. While not common, it is possible when comparing different ply ratings.

With that said it is about the actual max load of the trailer and the load rating of the tires. To know if any given tire will or will not work it is necessary to know the weight of the trailer. In a fully loaded condition with the most weight you will tow. Then take it to the scale and get it weighed. Also know that it is very common for a trailer to have uneven weight distribution. Where as one side may be several hundred pounds of weight more than the other side. My point would be getting weighed for individual wheel position.

Once that data is obtained, use the wheel position with the most weight to size and inflate tires. Add 10 to 15 percent to the max loading and the tire you seek should at least hit that number when inflated to the max. If the tire exceeds that load rating when inflated to the max it means the tire can be inflated to a lower pressure depending on the tire companies inflation chart.

Hope you find the tire you seek.

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As a post script the tire you have linked to states it is rated to 2200 pounds at 65PSI.A single axle trailer will have two of these. 2200 x 2 = 4400 pounds

Assuming the trailer is loaded equally (that almost never happens) those tires would handle a max trailer weight around 3500 pounds.

3500 x 115% = 4025

Again assuming this is a single axle trailer and the max load on either wheel position does not exceed 1750 pounds, this tire would work.

And you have to know the trailer weight and weight on individual wheel position. Because if the total trailer weight is 3450 and one wheel position is 1900 and the other is 1550, you are still over loaded. Not by a lot and likely the tire will last for some time. But the overloaded tire will always run hotter and heat kills a tire.

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Another option is to upsize to a P235/75Rx15 Coker wide white wall for just under a grand for 4 . http//www.cokertire.com The tire has a load rating of 2028# at 35 p.s.i. That would be 8112# for 4 tires . Now if you subtracted 10% for being passenger tires that still is 7301# load rating more then enough capacity for your trailer.

Have your trailer weighed on a Cat scale fully loaded for travel .
Your trailer will probably around 4000# on the axles. The 4 tires will only be carrying about 1000# each .

I been running passenger tires or light truck tires on my trailers for over 2 decades without a problem.
I just replaced the P235/75Rx15’s Michael’s with the same after 8 years and 45,000 miles . The old ones are going on one of my classic trucks that has 22 year old tires on it now .
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I would rather have the Vintage trailer 205 wide tire for a 2200 pounds max rating on a trailer
Than the Coker 235 wide tire for 2038 pounds max rating on a passenger car

Great example of the wider tire having a lower max load capacity just in gross numbers. Add in the Coker is a P design and not a ST design and the difference is even greater.

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That’s about what I said in my post .

But the ST tire has a maximum speed limit of 65 m.p.h. Where as the Passenger tire has a much higher maximum speed rating , not that you’re going to tow at higher speed for prolonged periods on hot highways or are you .

70 , 75 m.p.h on western states highways is real and you may find yourself doing that just to keep from being a road hazard.

Also ST tires don’t meet the safety standards of Passenger or LT tires because they don’t carry live “cargo” . Thus when they have a problem they just do a lot of damage to the trailer . No one gets hurt or killed ,just the pocket book.
They also don’t get reported to N.I.T.S.A.
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Most ST rated tires have a speed rating of 65. Just not all ST tires have that speed rating. And that speed rating does not mean do not exceed 65 mph when towing if 65 IS the service designation. Please be informed!
https://www.airforums.com/forums/f43...on-167187.html

I live in the Western US, tow a trailer and understand tire ratings and make up. Ignorance is the hazard, not knowledge, please please please be informed. Not partially informed not uninformed but totally informed.

Sure ST rated tires are not recommended for passenger vehicles. They are designed for trailers. And that IS the application for this user. So why would one use a passenger vehicle tire (P) with a lower load rating on a non-passenger vehicle application?

All tires have been known to fail. The vast majority of failures are road hazard, incorrect inflations or using the tire beyond the service life.

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) does report passenger vehicle data including tire data. The data comes from the tire manufacturer. There is a lot of good data on the site. https://www.nhtsa.gov/ NHTSA is also charged with writing and enforcing Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards as well as regulations for motor vehicle theft resistance and fuel economy, as part of the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) system. You will not find tire data for non-passenger vehicles. Tractors, heavy equipment and yes trailers are not in the scope of that government entity.

Not sure what N.I.T.S.A. does. Maybe this is a new organization that you can enlighten the readers.

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...... Is it ok to go from a 225 to a 205? .....
No! The tire is more likely to fail by going smaller in load carrying capacity.
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Thank you for all your replies everybody, you really do know your stuff, I know some of you are concerned about weight to clarify more info the new 205s are rated 2200#, I have a 66 dbl axle, the trailer weighs 4150#.

It seems they have been selling this brand trailer WW for years and I was just wondering if anyone else purchased them, going from 225 to 205 and how they liked them (wear, yellowing, life). Its strange to not see more WW tire posts on here? I always ask on Airforums, this is the place!

I love the WW look on a vintage trailer and since the day we found her I've been dreaming of treating her to some awesome WW tires but if you guys think it's a bad idea I'll just have to table it.
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Not sure what N.I.T.S.A. does. Maybe this is a new organization that you can enlighten the readers.

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I meant N.H.T.S.A.
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I was thinking about putting wide white walls on our Trade Wind but the $$$ was just stupid money . So I went with turquoise wheels instead .

BTW our Trade Wind weighs 4100# on the tires and 5200# total fully loaded for travel.

My Michelin P235/75Rx15 LTX m/s are rated 2271# @50 p.s.i. I run them at 38 p.s.i

Seeing how each tire is only carrying 1025# I think there is plenty of margin for safety.
B.T.W. The old set had even tread wear after 45,000 miles and 8 years .
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BTW had 6/32” of tread remaining out of 10/32” they started life with.
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Thread update:

As suggested above

I have been researching Diamondback vs. Coker
White wall tires.

Many positive and some negative reviews for both from the hotrod forums.
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