! TIRED OF TIRE SEARCH- recalls/complaints

[ROBERTSUNRUS]

Originally Posted by m.hony

I'm going to get tires soon- Put the spare on. Go on home. Buy/order tires and wheels from the internet.
What do y'all think?


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Hi, go home relax and really think about what you want, without pressure. My 81 MPH Carlises are doing good so far. From Salem, Oregon to Bar Harbor, Maine. [close to 5,000 miles]

[m.hony]

I had Carlisles before- same exact thing- all puffed out and swollen-
The three remaining tires that are not "exploded" will go on my utility trailer- 2 on the ground and a spare-
What I do will depend on what's available locally- or not-
I'm leaning toward 15" Michelin LTX MS/2 and getting 16" wheels and tire next time because I an broke and poor-
I can probably replace the tires with 15" for about $400.
On my previous trailer, I ordered tires wholesale through my work and mounted and balanced them myself- cost: $396-


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[gmw photos]

That close to home, no question, I'd pull it home and then take my time getting exactly what I want. Put the spare on in place of the bad one for now.

[m.hony]

Yep.
Investigate 15" LT options.
Or:
Get Sendel wheels of the internet.
Get Firestone TransForce HT 225/75R16 tires from work.
Get tire pressure monitors from the internet.
Rest easy.


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[Tireman9]

To be called and advertised as a "snow tire" there are some minimum performance standards that must be met. Hence the snowflake symbol.

"All-Season" term was introduced 35 - 40 years ago as at that time the bias tires were either summer tires or real snow tires but the then new radial construction and tread designs allowed much better performance in all but deep snow so people no longer needed to change to snow tires in the winter.

[m.hony]

Put on the spare.
Here's a picture of the Swollen-up-athon of Puff-up-athon:


Marathon is a good name- good for 26 miles-
I've had Carlisles do the same thing.
No more ST tires for me.
We have a fleet of 14,000# GVW trailers at work- with 16" LT tires-
Oh yeah, I'm getting new lug nuts, too. These cheesy chrome covered ones are terrible- the cover moves around loosely on the nut even when the nut is tight-
It is hard to get a lug wrench on them if they're already distorted/bent out of shape.
Shame on you, Airstream, for putting such garbage on a $94,000 MSRP "top of the line" travel trailer-


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[CapriRacer]

m.hony,

What you have in the photos is called an indentation. It is the place where the body ply fabric is overlapped. EVERY tire has at least one for every body ply (the number listed under "sidewall plies") - sometimes more. They range from barely perceivable to much, much worse than in your photos.

It is NOT a safety issue so long as they are indentations, and even if they are bulges, it is a matter of degree.

As a check, go to any of your other vehicles and look for them.

[tjdonahoe]

You guys are scaring me, my marathons have 17000 mile on them now, and they still feel good running my hand over them, maybe 1/4 worn....knock on wood they are going on a 3500 mile trip in Sept......

[Tireman9]

Originally Posted by CapriRacer

m.hony,

What you have in the photos is called an indentation. It is the place where the body ply fabric is overlapped. EVERY tire has at least one for every body ply (the number listed under "sidewall plies") - sometimes more. They range from barely perceivable to much, much worse than in your photos.

It is NOT a safety issue so long as they are indentations, and even if they are bulges, it is a matter of degree.

As a check, go to any of your other vehicles and look for them.

As a tire design & quality engineer I will attest that this a correct, fact based, description of the cosmetic condition seen in the 2nd picture.

[m.hony]

Originally Posted by CapriRacer

m.hony,

What you have in the photos is called an indentation. It is the place where the body ply fabric is overlapped. EVERY tire has at least one for every body ply (the number listed under "sidewall plies") - sometimes more. They range from barely perceivable to much, much worse than in your photos.

It is NOT a safety issue so long as they are indentations, and even if they are bulges, it is a matter of degree.

As a check, go to any of your other vehicles and look for them.

Look again closely. That is not what I'm talking about. I am talking about hoe across the tread, which should normally be relatively flat, it is all pooched out, distended, rounded, bloated, swollen.
I know those indentations on the sidewalls are normal and all tires have them.
I can find no LT tires in that size.
I guess it's 16" wheels and tires.


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[m.hony]

Originally Posted by Tireman9

As a tire design & quality engineer I will attest that this a correct, fact based, description of the cosmetic condition seen in the 2nd picture.

Again, I am not talking about the indentations.


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[m.hony]

How the tire tread should look:

How the jacked up tire looks:






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[m.hony]

Looks like my quest is for Sendel wheels.
What is the model of Sendel wheel that comes on new Eddie Bauers and Classics? T03? T06?


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[CapriRacer]

Originally Posted by m.hony

Look again closely. That is not what I'm talking about. I am talking about hoe across the tread, which should normally be relatively flat, it is all pooched out, distended, rounded, bloated, swollen.
I know those indentations on the sidewalls are normal and all tires have them.
I can find no LT tires in that size.
I guess it's 16" wheels and tires.

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Sorry. It wasn't clear from the first 2 photos, but your followup photos and further descriptions helped clear that up.

What the second set of photos show is very likely a belt leaving belt separation - commonly called a tread separation. In this case, it looks like there is a cap ply in the tire, which is why it is bulged out and distorted, rather than havinf the belt (and the tread on top of the belt) detached.

[m.hony]

16" Sendel T03 and LT tires will happen soon-


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[m.hony]

All I could envision was damage to my wheel well and trailer skin.
No more ST tires for me. I've had Carlisles do the same thing. Apparently, the tires can't hold to the weight, heat, speed, etc., even though I tow at 60-65 mph with 50-60 psi. I think I've done my part/done the best I could. These tires are just inferior junk.


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[ROBERTSUNRUS]

Hi, while on my Alaska trip, I had two seven year old Canadian Marathons separate exactly like your's did. I never had any problems with my Chinese Marathons. These tires are not enough to carry a 30'er. You will be happy with your new tires and wheels.

[jcanavera]

I had two E rated Maxxis ST's on the front axle of my Classic do the same thing. I just returned from a 200 mile drive, cold pressure on the tires were 80 psi checked 3 days earlier. I backed into the driveway when I got home and noticed that my wheel locks wouldn't open between the tires. I was really lucky I caught them here at home.. Here is a picture of one of the bad tires next to one that hadn't failed. Tires were on the first trip of season 4 of use.

Jack

[r carl]

The bottom line is this, if you went out shopping for the most unreliable tires you could find, you would come home with ST tires.

[switz]

SenDel T03-66655T wheels are the same design used by Airstream. There are two choices - all plain aluminum or black highlights on the aluminum. These wheels are rated 3,580 pounds load at 80 psi.

Michelin part number P/N 05681 is the LT225/75R16/E LTX M/S2 tire rated 2,680 pounds load at 80 psi. I have found 75 psi is the sweet spot and the Classic alone scales around 9,250 pounds ready for camping

I installed the Dill TPMS #1506-453 system that has the new display and six senders. The 453 is the valve hole size.

For the 16" wheels, I used Centramatic 300-356 all "A" plates along with McGard 24138 Chrome Cone Seat Wheel Locks and McGard 64010 Chrome Bulge Cone Seat Style Lug Nuts acquired from Amazon.