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12-07-2006, 10:07 PM
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New Member
1967 17' Caravel
Newport Beach
, California
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2
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Tire suggestion
I have a '67 Caravel recently purchased. I am in mid-restoration and need a recommendation for tires. Lots of talk pro and con about Goodyear Marathons but I don't see many options.
I am also considering pulling and powder coating the wheels that came with the trailer.
Can anyone help a rookie owner ?
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12-08-2006, 03:31 AM
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Silver Mist
Currently Looking...
Riverhead
, New York
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,011
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There are other tires, call tire dealers and see what type of ST tires they have.
You can have the wheels powder coated buy new ones are about $40.
Depending on condition you can wire brush and paint them with POR15 or rustolium.
Also look into the Dyna Beads to balance them.
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Bob
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12-08-2006, 07:32 AM
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Tramp Streamer
Commercial Member
1995 28' Excella
Artist
, at Large
Join Date: May 2004
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Hi J5,
Hi have been very happy with "TOW MASTER ST" tires.
Distributed by "Green Ball tire" Made by Goodyear.
I put 50,000 on a set of 4 and they looked great. I have replaced them with Marathons and wish I hadn't.
The next set I will go back be "Tow Masters"
I also run Centermatics wheel balancers.
Michael
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12-08-2006, 07:45 AM
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Site Team
2002 25' Safari
Dewey
, Arizona
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 15,616
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Quote:
Originally Posted by artlink
I put 50,000 on a set of 4 and they looked great. I have replaced them with Marathons and wish I hadn't.
Michael
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Why?
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Richard
Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
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12-08-2006, 10:20 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
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Quote:
Originally Posted by artlink
Hi J5,
Hi have been very happy with "TOW MASTER ST" tires.
Distributed by "Green Ball tire" Made by Goodyear.
I put 50,000 on a set of 4 and they looked great. I have replaced them with Marathons and wish I hadn't.
The next set I will go back be "Tow Masters"
I also run Centermatics wheel balancers.
Michael
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Why would Airstream stay with the Goodyear Marathons all these years?
They usually have very good reasons behind their decisions.
Certainly, we all know they are not a cheap tire.
We also all know that "nothing" is perfect.
There are many circumstances to tire failures.
The biggest ones are, not balanced with the running gear, over inflation, under inflation, and old age.
Shopping around for a tire better than Airstream uses could be a losing proposition, and usually is.
Andy
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12-08-2006, 10:38 AM
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Silver Mist
Currently Looking...
Riverhead
, New York
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Inland RV Center, In
Why would Airstream stay with the Goodyear Marathons all these years?
They usually have very good reasons behind their decisions.
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But do you know what their basis is?
Or you just making an asumption?
Andy, ask them what kind of tires were on the A/S that did 122mph.
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Bob
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12-08-2006, 10:54 AM
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Flying Cloud
1953 32' Liner
1955 22' Safari
Valley View
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,971
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By any other name....
Marathon tires made in Canada...Tow Master. Same tire, same Company, etc, etc.
Now lets get into the "radial" vs "10 ply" go around. Andy will tell you that Airstream uses Radials...why argue? I agree.
Less expensive too.
Happy owner of Tow Masters (radials) and won't let the small stuff bother me anymore.
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12-08-2006, 11:10 AM
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Tramp Streamer
Commercial Member
1995 28' Excella
Artist
, at Large
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 2,002
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Good looking salesperson,
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inland RV Center, In
Why would Airstream stay with the Goodyear Marathons all these years?
They usually have very good reasons behind their decisions.
Certainly, we all know they are not a cheap tire.
We also all know that "nothing" is perfect.
There are many circumstances to tire failures.
The biggest ones are, not balanced with the running gear, over inflation, under inflation, and old age.
Shopping around for a tire better than Airstream uses could be a losing proposition, and usually is.
Andy
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PLEASE NOTE: These observations are far from scientific, my personal observations are:
Both were inflated to 65lbs, balanced at time of install and Centermatics on all 4.
The Marathons seem to have more sidewall flex, I even noticed this while sitting still and moving around inside the trailer.
To the hand, the Marathons felt warmer.
I was impressed with the condition of the TOW MASTER tread and sidewall condition after 50,000 miles. Remember, Tow Masters are MADE by Goodyear!
Andy, while I bow to your experience and advice, don't you think it is just as scientific to speculate as to why Airstream has chosen Marathons for its trailers.
Price, availability, kick-back, good looking salesperson, deep discount for volume, a plasma TV, one can go back and forth on Airstream's reason forever. Unless the exact reason is given by the purchasing department at Jackson Center we can only speculate. (and I don't mean a press release)
To say that Airstream makes all its purchasing decisions purely on what is the best product is, well naïve.
Michael
PS, this is not to say the Marathons may or may not be a more dependable tire, this is just my sense of both tires
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12-08-2006, 11:26 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1964 17' Bambi II
Santa Cruz
, California
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 319
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Quote:
Originally Posted by artlink
Price, availability, kick-back, good looking salesperson, deep discount for volume, a plasma TV, one can go back and forth on Airstream's reason forever. Unless the exact reason is given by the purchasing department at Jackson Center we can only speculate. (and I don't mean a press release)
To say that Airstream makes all its purchasing decisions purely on what is the best product is, well naïve.
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VERY WELL put. Just think back a little... Ford and Firestone.
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1964 17' Bambi II
2005 Dodge 2500 PowerWagon -5.7 Hemi
WBCCI #4207
AIR #11485
"you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows" ~bob dylan
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12-08-2006, 11:32 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
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Asking Airstream
Anyone, can ask Airstream anything they wish, directly via e-mail or telephone.
Andy
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12-08-2006, 11:42 AM
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Rivet Master
Vintage Kin Owner
1977 31' Excella 500
Berkeley Springs
, West Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,638
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Car and Driver magazine ran a very interesting test article on Firestone tires on Ford Exploreres. They could not get them to blow unless they let the pressure get really low.
What C&D came up with was a disconnect on the Explorer's door panel chart concerning tire pressure. The chart on the Ford said to put a lot less air in the tire than what Firestone would recommend. Ford's recommendation was at the very low end of the acceptable pressure range.
So what happened was guys would put this amount of air in (I don't recall exactly what it was, but I think it was like 28psi). Then, like most drivers, they wouldn't check it for two years. Ok, so the tires leaked off some pressure slowly over time. So now you have a tire that's under inflated, and probably marginal for the weight of the truck to start with. You run a heavy truck hard on a small tire that's underinflated and the tires get hot. The tread then separates, and kapow! There you go.
I'm not convinced there was every anything really wrong with the tires. But they sure got a black eye for it. I had Firestones on my Excursion and never had a bit of problem with them, even though there was a recall on them. I think the biggest problem was underinflation.
This just underscores the need to check our tire pressures regularly and keep them well in the proper pressure range.
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12-08-2006, 07:41 PM
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Rivet Master
1960 24' Tradewind
santa barbara
, California
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,352
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I agree on the towmasters as well same tire ? doubt it . I talked to BIG O TIRE
the other day looking for a boat trailer tire, Towmaster ,the old tire was burnt
on the tread from the fender and the broken leaf spring ,non salt water trailer
anyway ,tire was sticky ,melted a bit on the tread ,but otherwise in great shape ,did not go flat and are 5 years old .towmaster does not offer that size anymore (A78-13) small boat trailer,so no luck ,but the salesman said they
have had excellent service with towmaster and no problems to speak of ,great tires .My experience also has been a good one with them .
The tire was a bias ply .
Scott
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12-08-2006, 08:26 PM
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Rivet Master
1978 24' Argosy 24
Woodinville
, Washington
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 682
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Towmaster is the name the Greenball company uses for their trailer tires. Originally Greenball contracted with Cheng Shin, the parent company for the Maxxis brand. They used Goodyear as a supplier in the 90's but I think all of there tires are now contracted through other sources. About a year ago Goodyear made a major push to reduce the number of private label companies they produced tires for.
-Bernie
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