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Old 04-24-2021, 07:55 AM   #1
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Tire advice for newbie

We just purchased a 2016 23FB Flying Cloud with original GYM ST215 75R14. We are the second owners. The trailer was lightly used and kept in heated storage for five years. The stamp on the tires indicate they were manufactured in August of 2015. There is lots of tread left and there are no cracks in the rubber. We plan short trips locally and a longer extended trip to Montana from SD this summer. My inclination is to use these tires for one season with no TPMS being careful to stay at 65mph or lower with frequent stops and checks on the tires. After this season I would purchase new GYE ST215 75R14 and clamp on metal stems adding a TPMS. I would then follow the advice in the tires forum by increasing pressure by 10lbs so I could travel at speeds up to 70mph. I can't see driving any faster than that but on the long open stretches of highway between SD and the Mountain west where most of our travels will be I know it will be hard to keep it to 65mph. Is the plan sound or are the Marathons questionable enough so that I should immediately replace? It seems that most of the failures I have read of involve the 15 in Marathons and maybe this is becuse of heavier loads than the 14 in Marathons. Any advice would be appreciated. We had a Blue Ox Sway Pro installed by an Airstream Dealer so I think we are good in that department.

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Old 04-24-2021, 08:04 AM   #2
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The cost of a possible tire failure on the GYM far exceeds the value of getting one more year of use out of them. A blow out would really put a dent in your vacation plans. Watch this video ()

I'd get new tires ASAP.
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Old 04-24-2021, 08:05 AM   #3
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My opinion is that you would be making a serious mistake to use those tires for even one trip. To me the potential for damage due to a tire failure is far greater than the value of the use of them for a year. The kinds of driving you describe require good tires, which even at their best, the GYM's were not. I would suggest immediately replacing the tires with the new GYE. Do all the other stuff later as your budget allows. To me the TPS is way more of an optional purchase than good tires. And for me the external sensors work fine so they can be added at any time.
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Old 04-24-2021, 08:23 AM   #4
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Here's a GYM that was on my boat trailer, 6 years old. I added the extra air so I could travel the extra 10 mph and I was not exceeding 70 for the entire trip. I was about 500 miles into my journey.

When it blew it destroyed the chrome wheel and tore up the heavy steel fender (I was able to straighten and repaint). The steel cords wrapped around the brake and axle. I had to pound the fender out on the side of the road so I could get the spare on. I was lucky it didn't do any more damage.

I agree with the others. Get rid of them.
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Old 04-24-2021, 08:42 AM   #5
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My opinion is that you would be making a serious mistake to use those tires for even one trip. To me the potential for damage due to a tire failure is far greater than the value of the use of them for a year. The kinds of driving you describe require good tires, which even at their best, the GYM's were not. I would suggest immediately replacing the tires with the new GYE. Do all the other stuff later as your budget allows. To me the TPS is way more of an optional purchase than good tires. And for me the external sensors work fine so they can be added at any time.
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Old 04-24-2021, 08:44 AM   #6
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Not Advisable

There are a few good reasons not to use these tire.

1st, They are GYM's

2nd) If they are over 6 years old. Regardless of the tread left on the case. My tire store (America's Tire) will not repair a tire that is 6 years old or older. They have reached there life expectancy.

3rd) New tires are cheap compared to the damage that can that can occur from a catastrophic tire failure at 65mph.

You are not on the hwy alone! If you are not concerned for your own life consider how your rig would look upside-down on top of a car full of kids. It's not always about us, the safety of others is important to consider as well.

You asked for our advice. Now it's up to you! What will you do?


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Old 04-24-2021, 08:46 AM   #7
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I tend to agree with the others. Your tires are right at the six year mark. That is when prevailing wisdom dictates that the tires should be replaced regardless of wear. I am not saying that the tires won't last another year, but you are rolling the dice. A catastrophic tire failure on an Airstream could easily result in $10,000 of body damage that will take months to get repaired.

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Old 04-24-2021, 08:53 AM   #8
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I guess some think I waste money but...I change trailer tires every 4 years. It is a small cost and gives me peace of mind.
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Old 04-24-2021, 09:22 AM   #9
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Tire advice for newbie

The decision rests with you and involves the level of risk youíre willing to take.

Spending a bit on new tires now will save you significant dollars over a blowout. We moved our fifth wheel 90 miles last Summer just to set it up on a long term site. We installed brand new tires for the move. Yes it was an expensive move coming in at $5.60 per mile, but a blowout could have easily cost us four to six times that.

Weíve experienced the damages from trailer tire failures on RVís and work trailers that had tires that looked brand new and were hardly worn. We replace ours every four years irrespective of mileage. It simply isnít worth the risk to us.
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When we picked-up our AS it had Maxx Tires on it - 3 were 6 years old - 1 was 2 year old .. we had to drive about 1000km home and I prayed all the way. Two day after arrival I had GYE's installed ... The problem as I understand in your case is what my dad would called having the "penny wise and dollar poor" struggle ... meaning the inner debate you're having between now spending the few dollars for new GYE tires OR taking the risk of spending several thousand dollars in repairs following an GYM tire failure. We all have to make decisions and I hope you make the right one.
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Old 04-24-2021, 09:36 AM   #11
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Agree with the good DR & everyone else. The cost is not only to mitigate the risk of AS damage and ruining your trip, BUT peace of mind! Whatís that worth. We use our AS as an escape pod & relaxation get away. Youíll be white knuckling and stressing about those rubber things the entire time. Get new ones and forget about them (except watching pressure/temps on TPMS).

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Old 04-24-2021, 09:38 AM   #12
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More of same advice. It boggles my mind that you imagine 70 mph is safe on aged GYM tires. You paid a premium for an Airstream. If a belt delaminates, you will be replacing the wheel well and a side panel. It is Aluminum, not steel! Buy good tires, and slow down and enjoy the trip! The destination is much nicer when you have arrived without mishaps.

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Old 04-24-2021, 09:51 AM   #13
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Hello. I have a 2010 FC 23FB. When I purchased the tires were in ok shape but I decided to replace them. It looks like most people on here are recommending you do the same. I decided to take the opportunity to move to the 15” wheels. I purchased 4 of the 15” rims from Recstuff. (I should of bought 5 because I could of rotated the tires when I did bearing service). I went with Carliysle 225/75D15’s. This gave me a little extra clearance. I think this is one of the best upgrades I have done.
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No question. Upgrade to the GY Endurance 15" tires immediately, then when your budget allows, definitely invest in a good TPMS. Our TPMS (TST 507's) have saved our bacon more then once.

Upgrade, relax and enjoy your trip!!
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Old 04-24-2021, 10:20 AM   #15
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Get rid of the GYM. Now! Donít even try a short trip on them. When they blow - and they will - you will do extensive damage to the AS.
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Pardon the redundancy, my wife says I repeat myself all the time. Replace the tires before your trip. The peace of mind is worth it. Also, be sure they are balanced.
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Old 04-24-2021, 10:39 AM   #17
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I'm not saying I disagree with everyone but does the fact that it was stored inside when not in use give anyone a second thought on being okay to travel on?
Is it the GYM or any tire that everyone is so leery of??
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I had your same feelings except it was the end of the season and we were making 1 more 350 mile trip. On the way at about 275 miles the front curb side tire blew and caused the tread to come off of the second tire. With that it took out the fender well and all the floor and closet wall. It looked like a bomb went off inside the trailer. My shoes, a 35mm camera and lenses along with other items were strung along the interstate. The interior of our trailer is pretty much particle board material. We vacuumed sawdust and wood chips from one end to the other for months. To make it worse the first place I came on to get tires was Sam's. They would not touch the trailer so I had to take the tires off 1 at a time and take in to replace. Of course then there were all of the repairs when we got home. Replace the tires and save the misery.
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I'm not saying I disagree with everyone but does the fact that it was stored inside when not in use give anyone a second thought on being okay to travel on?
Is it the GYM or any tire that everyone is so leery of??
Good question. When we ordered our 2016 FC 25, I up graded from
the factory 16Ē wheels with Michelin LT tires, after reading all the GYE
horror stories on this forum. Now 5 years and around 25k miles, they
still look new and have been stored with the trailer indoors in a climate
controlled building. Should these be replaced and when?

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]I'm not saying I disagree with everyone but does the fact that it was stored inside when not in use give anyone a second thought on being okay to travel on?
Is it the GYM or any tire that everyone is so leery of??

No, the fact that it was stored inside does not give me a second thought that it may be safe to travel on. sitting still for a couple of years does not do a tire any good. Inside is still aging.

Yes, the fact that it is a GYM specifically is a particular problem with me.

I am not talking from experience. I have never owned a GYM. Talking to many people who did when I got my trailer used did make up my mind. Some of them had 3 failures out of 4. I am not that stubborn.

To me there are 2 good reasons to change it. That it is aged out. And that it is a GYM. Together to me that would be compelling.

The 3rd reason it would be compelling is that the OP has already stated he is planning on driving it past its speed rating for long hauls. For about $600-700 he can fix this issue before he has a problem. Or he can take the chance and save about $150 in yearly tire cost.

As I said before, I change trailer tires every 4 years. I use more expensive tires then the GYE. It costs me about $800 every 4 years. Or about $200 per year for tires. I could save maybe $50 per year if I went longer or bought cheaper tire. But...what could I buy with $50 per year that would be better than feeling like I have adequate tires?
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