No Michelin Defender LTX in 16"?

[lsbrodsky]

Originally Posted by switz

The Michelin “XPS Rib” is still available in LT225/75R16/E and is a commercial tire so will be more pricey. May be 0.1” larger in diameter than the discontinued model I used in 2014.

More pricey is a bit of an understatement at $80 more per tire than the Agilis, which is also commercial grade. I have always said that one should not save money by using inferior tires, but I think there are some other brands out there that will serve me quite well. As I said earlier the Yoko Geolander G056 has an excellent reputation and will probably be the tire that I buy next month.
Larry

[Tireman9]

Originally Posted by czunc

I run Michelin LTX Rib 225/75/16 and love them. This is a commercial tire with Steel belted sidewalls unlike the LTX. This does make them a little more stiff but i set my PSI to 60# and all is good. In Texas is gets extremely hot and we have 80MPH speed limits so i don't play with tires.



This is the same tire that we run on car haulers or hotshot trailers.

Did you mean the LT225/75R16 LR-E which is rated for 80 psi to carry 2680# ? That tire is only rated for 2190# when inflated to 60 psi.

[czunc]

Originally Posted by Tireman9

Did you mean the LT225/75R16 LR-E which is rated for 80 psi to carry 2680# ? That tire is only rated for 2190# when inflated to 60 psi.

This is from Michelin,

https://www.michelinrvtires.com/refe...tion-tables/#/

[czunc]

Here's the link to the brochure for the XPS Rib.



https://www.michelinb2b.com/wps/b2bc...Rib_DataPg.pdf

[tjdonahoe]

Originally Posted by lsbrodsky

Yep, you are right, there are plenty around. But, I am not going to buy tires that are now obsolete. If I have to replace a trailer tire, I would care less about mileage on the other tires than brand and family of tire. My tire replacement is always going to be based on age, not miles. I cannot even begin to camp enough to wear out tires on the trailer. Still amazes me that Michelin had the LT225x75R16 in the Defender series for only about 5 years.
Larry

What. Had them on our our 05 Buick.....I just put anew set on out 13 31’ Classic...obsolete?...

[lsbrodsky]

Originally Posted by tjdonahoe

What. Had them on our our 05 Buick.....I just put anew set on out 13 31’ Classic...obsolete?...

I could easily be wrong, but this is what I know with certainty. When I bought my trailer in 2013 I had 16" Sendel wheels and Michelin LTX M/S tires put on before I took delivery. This is what Airstream was putting on the Eddie Bauers and what they were recommending, as were many forum posters.
Not too long after that the LTX M/S was replaced by the Defender series LTX M/S 2, but Michelin told me is was essentially the same tire with improvements. Now that tire is not being produced in my size and Michelin told me to replace it with the Agilis. The Defender is still being produced in other sizes. MIchelin told me the Agilis is new in the USA, but has European experience.
Larry

[Tireman9]

Originally Posted by czunc

I had the same thought but i have monitors on the tires and they don't climb more that 6 or 8 psi. This was after towing from Dallas to Jackson Wy.
Michelin recommended that I run 45 psi with the weight that our Airstreams weigh. I gave them 7800# but mine doesn't weigh that much so I don't know?

Are you running the OE tire type & size? What does youtTire Placard show for recommended inflation? It is the responsibility of the vehicle to provide tire inflation based on the GAWR.



Tandem axle trailers put extra and specially destructive shear forces on the belts. It's called "Interply Shear" You can learn about this on my RV Tire blog or just GOOGLE the term.

[Tireman9]

"Defender LTX" is just a name for a tire design like "XPS Rib" or "XRV". In the case of LTX there are passenger, Light Truck and Euro-metric type tires. It is critical that people pay attention to the type tire they are considering based on comments from others. Especially when the comments may or may not clearly ID the type tire they are talking about.

[CampingJoe]

I just checked (4/21/19) Discount Tires website and the MICHELIN
DEFENDER LTX M/S LT225 /75 R16 115R E1 BSW for $209.00

[lsbrodsky]

Originally Posted by CampingJoe

I just checked (4/21/19) Discount Tires website and the MICHELIN
DEFENDER LTX M/S LT225 /75 R16 115R E1 BSW for $209.00

Thanks, but my point was that Michelin stopped producing those tires in this size this month. There is stock still available at the major outlets, but what will that look like later this year or next year?
I don't want to put tires on my trailer and later find that if I need to replace one that it is not available.
Larry

[switz]

The successor tire to the Michelin Defender has the Agilis name and there is one flavor of the LT225/75R16/E tire in addition to the XPS RIB model.

https://www.michelinman.com/shop/tyr...-16--allsearch

The Defender model has a diameter of 29.2" and the XPS Rib is 29.4" in diameter. The Aegilis is 29.3" in diameter.

Trying to get information on the new Agilis load table as the new tire is rated the same 2,680 pounds but now at 90 psi versus 80 psi of the previous tire model. This higher pressure is outside of all the other Load E tire psi vs load tables. Could be a typo but hope to find out soon.

[jcanavera]

I’m not sure if it’s a typo. The Michelin inflation tables now also show 90 psi required to handle 2,680 lbs per tire for the LT Agilis in this size.

[switz]

I am out and about. Could you please tell me the load at 80psi on the new 16” Agilis tire. My 16” SenDel wheels are rated 3,200 pounds at 80psi. Thanks

[Native143]

Try these. Michelin LRE XPS LT225/75R/16. I've had these tires on my single axle 2013 FC20. Love the ride.

[jcanavera]

Originally Posted by switz

I am out and about. Could you please tell me the load at 80psi on the new 16” Agilis tire. My 16” SenDel wheels are rated 3,200 pounds at 80psi. Thanks

2,470 at 80 psi according to the Michelin inflation tables for the LT 225 75 R 16E. To get the same capacity as the same size Defenders, you have to raise the pressure to 90 psi or consider purchasing the euro model of the Agilis. The euro model of the same size is 3,085 at 80 psi.

Jack

[SDP 28 FC]

Bummer - I upgraded to 16" Sendels and the LTX (old "Defender"). Have been really pleased on a 28' FC.

[CapriRacer]

Originally Posted by jcanavera

2,470 at 80 psi according to the Michelin inflation tables for the LT 225 75 R 16E. To get the same capacity as the same size Defenders, you have to raise the pressure to 90 psi or consider purchasing the euro model of the Agilis. The euro model of the same size is 3,085 at 80 psi.

Jack

Sorry, but there appears to be an error in Michelin's load table for the Agilis Cross Climate. It's complex, but the bottom line is: It's supposed to be the same as the old LTX Defenders and LTX's

[Steamy1]

FYI we use Michelin 215/85R16E on our 19' Bambi. This size works for us.

[No.15]

Getting ready to change the tires on my trailer this year. I was never a big fan of using a drive type tread but agree that the ltx was better than most ST tires available.


Looking around I found the Bridgestone R238 is available in the correct size and may be a good option. A little pricey but it's a commercial tire and may last longer, plus the tread design looks more suitable for the trailer.

[Tireman9]

Originally Posted by No.15

Getting ready to change the tires on my trailer this year. I was never a big fan of using a drive type tread but agree that the ltx was better than most ST tires available.


Looking around I found the Bridgestone R238 is available in the correct size and may be a good option. A little pricey but it's a commercial tire and may last longer, plus the tread design looks more suitable for the trailer.

While I have no personal experience running the R238, a review of the spec sheet leads me to believe it should be a good tire for heavy trailer use. Just be sure to confirm the load chart vs your measured actual tire loads to be sure you would be running NO MORE than 90% with 85 or even 80% of tire capacity preferred based on your cold inflation pressure setting.


Belt package looks pretty impressive when compared to the normal two-layer steel belt in most ST type tires.


Depending on the size, be sure you pay attention to the MAX recommended speed as there are 68, 75 and 87 mph ratings depending on size & Load Range.