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Old 06-10-2022, 03:45 PM   #41
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Interesting to note that the Goodyear Endurance tires carry a higher weight load rating that the Michelin tires being discussed here.

GY Endurance: 3640
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Do you think that someone pulling an Airstream is going to have a problem with 12,168 pounds of tire load rating for 2 axles and 4 tires at the rear of the trailer?

Same thing for 6084 pounds of tire load rating for one axle and two tires at the rear of the trailer?
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Do you think that someone pulling an Airstream is going to have a problem with 12,168 pounds of tire load rating for 2 axles and 4 tires at the rear of the trailer?

Same thing for 6084 pounds of tire load rating for one axle and two tires at the rear of the trailer?
No, I don't. Just pointing out that the Michelin tires don't have as much headroom as other options.
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No, I don't. Just pointing out that the Michelin tires don't have as much headroom as other options.
And yet Airstream uses and specifies LT tires (they use Michelin) over ST tires on higher end models. So my choice of using a LT tire over an ST is the same as used and specified by Airstream. I guess I am in good company for a reason.
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And yet Airstream uses and specifies LT tires (they use Michelin) over ST tires on higher end models. So my choice of using a LT tire over an ST is the same as used and specified by Airstream. I guess I am in good company for a reason.
How many models actually have LT tires spec'd on the label?

What was the reason this was done? Does anyone know from Airstream why they went with LT tires over another option?
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The factory tires supplied are just junk as far as I am concerned and I have replaced three brand new sets as soon as delivered. Our new 2022 FB 25' tires had deformities in the side walls on all the tires but the spare was really bad. The shiny spot captured in the picture was at least an 1/8" bulge off the surface. Very noticeable. I assume they mount the worst ones on the spare, at least this was the obvious case with mine. I normally just replace them with Michelin or on the 2015 30' I went with Nokians. On the 2022 I upgraded to 16" and went with Michelin XPS RIBs running at about 50psi. What a super quality tire that is towing very nicely.

In the attached picture you can see the prominent bulge and sidewall deformity at the tread. The picture really does not show it as bad as it was. They are just $25 each tires on a $100,000 trailer. Ok, maybe $35 at the most.

If there is a "Bulge" outward, the tire should be replaced. If new the dealer should :adjust: it and replace fro free. If it is a depression then it is not abnormal but the location of body ply overlap. Nothing wrong with such a tire. Depressions (one or more) are almost always found with close inspection, no matter the brand.
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No, I don't. Just pointing out that the Michelin tires don't have as much headroom as other options.



LT tires have a lower load capacity than do ST type tires of identical size and Load Range. This is not a function of Michelin vs GY vs Bridgestone.
ST tires are supposedly rated for higher load capacity as the load formula is based on a lower operation speed with 65 mph stated in the Tire & Rim Association design manual.
"Speed Rating" Symbol is actually a rating of handling capability with higher symbol tires usually deliver crisper handling and steering response.
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Interesting to note that the Goodyear Endurance tires carry a higher weight load rating that the Michelin tires being discussed here.

GY Endurance: 3640
Michelin: 3042



You may have missed the "Type" tire difference. ST vs LT.
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The factory tires supplied are just junk as far as I am concerned and I have replaced three brand new sets as soon as delivered. Our new 2022 FB 25' tires had deformities in the side walls on all the tires but the spare was really bad. The shiny spot captured in the picture was at least an 1/8" bulge off the surface. Very noticeable. I assume they mount the worst ones on the spare, at least this was the obvious case with mine. I normally just replace them with Michelin or on the 2015 30' I went with Nokians. On the 2022 I upgraded to 16" and went with Michelin XPS RIBs running at about 50psi. What a super quality tire that is towing very nicely.

In the attached picture you can see the prominent bulge and sidewall deformity at the tread. The picture really does not show it as bad as it was. They are just $25 each tires on a $100,000 trailer. Ok, maybe $35 at the most.
Not a safety issue nor a defect that will cause any problems, IMHO. Those Endurance ST's are great tires...and, as others pointed out, it is not uncommon to see in Michelin LT tires as well...I wouldn't worry so much about the looks...those GYE tires are doing very well over past 6 years!
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This may not be entirely relevant, but my experience with the GY Endurance was nightmarish. With less than 10,000 miles on them, I had blow-outs on the Endurance tires that came on my truck. Granted, these were on my truck and had used the truck to pull my fifth wheel trailer. On one blow-out, I was pulling the fifth wheel and on the second blow-out, I was not pulling anything. Each time, the blow-outs resulted in over $11,000 damage to the truck. (Thank God for good insurance.) Like I said, this may not be relevant, but I drive on Michelins now.
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We were concerned about the Goodyear Endurance tires until we started reading TireRack reviews, where they get very high ratings.
I think with the TST package, driving at/under 65 mph, we are in good shape.
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Do you think that someone pulling an Airstream is going to have a problem with 12,168 pounds of tire load rating for 2 axles and 4 tires at the rear of the trailer?

Same thing for 6084 pounds of tire load rating for one axle and two tires at the rear of the trailer?
...but it could give you a bit more flexibility on more comfortable/less jarring tire pressures at the higher end of the load scale.
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This may not be entirely relevant, but my experience with the GY Endurance was nightmarish. With less than 10,000 miles on them, I had blow-outs on the Endurance tires that came on my truck. Granted, these were on my truck and had used the truck to pull my fifth wheel trailer. On one blow-out, I was pulling the fifth wheel and on the second blow-out, I was not pulling anything. Each time, the blow-outs resulted in over $11,000 damage to the truck. (Thank God for good insurance.) Like I said, this may not be relevant, but I drive on Michelins now.
Very odd since GYE are a 10 ply special tire not intended for use on motor vehicles. Best-suited for: Travel trailers, pop-up campers, boat trailers, toy haulers and fifth wheels.
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This may not be entirely relevant, but my experience with the GY Endurance was nightmarish. With less than 10,000 miles on them, I had blow-outs on the Endurance tires that came on my truck. Granted, these were on my truck and had used the truck to pull my fifth wheel trailer. On one blow-out, I was pulling the fifth wheel and on the second blow-out, I was not pulling anything. Each time, the blow-outs resulted in over $11,000 damage to the truck. (Thank God for good insurance.) Like I said, this may not be relevant, but I drive on Michelins now.


Endurance are ST (Special Trailer) tires. Why did you have them on your truck?
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@Tireman9-

In your opinion, do you think running a Michelin Agilis LT CrossClimate 121R (or other appropriate rating for your trailer) at the appropriate size, on 16” wheels and inflated properly is a better, worse or no difference decision over the same scenario with a Goodyear Endurance ST tire?
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WellSaid11,

Not an answer to your query but a bit of the way it was a few yrs ago. And just an overview.

There was thread after thread about problems with the GYM. I found a belt seperation on my then about 3 yr old GYM's while in camp and removed three wheels in camp and got new GYM's thinking end of a close story. But after that one of my new GYM tires had a sidewall bulge (not indentation) shortly after installation on my 2007 Classic Ltd 30' Slide Out with a 7940 Lb UBW 10,300 Lb GVWR yes possibly the heaviest tandem axle rig AS made.

My tire shop offered to replace the GYM's and I chose MAXXIS and had several years service out of them.

The GYM failure threads just kept coming. The MAXXIS looked a bit like R&R time and no suitable replacement was in the market.

But many here I believe were just fed up with the potential ticking time bomb status and I followed the lead of several early adopters of the Michelin LT tires and I felt it was a better choice to use a tire with a darn good reputation and my personal experiences included to use a quality tire even though it meant changing from 15's to 16's added to the price.

The GYM "reputation" left a bitter taste in many owners mouths and it was years before a new and improved GYE entered the market and then several years more before the GYE started to get good owner reviews.

It was not a July end of GYM's and in August new GYE's appeared it was years.

I'm on my 2nd set of Michelins on the 30' these are the Agilis and I'm satisfied and have not had one issue with either of the two sets of Michelins I've used on it. PSI and temp are monitored via a Dill internal TPMS system. And personally seeing the same LT tire in the lobby at JC as you walked in left quite an impression.

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