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Old 06-30-2022, 02:39 PM   #1
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2018 19 cb tire blowout

I 95 IN VIRGINIA. OUR DRIVER SIDE TIRE BLEWOUT ITS SIDE WALL.
We probably had 40000 miles on it and were about to replace.
Should we go with Goodyear endurance again or are there alternatives?
We would rather not have to switch to 16inch so Michelin truck tires are out.
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Old 06-30-2022, 03:19 PM   #2
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I have a FC 20 and plan to repeat (likely next year) with the GYE's. Very happy with ours, especially the extra load margin needed for a Bambi. Ours are 2-2018 and have about 42K miles


I had considered the Nokians with a very similar E rating but opted with the GYE as they were more available, tho the Nokians are now mf'd in TN. Also slightly taller so a little tight in the spare rack, maybe, What really sold me was GY's solution to the GYM as I understand it, the thinner tread profile that runs much cooler. Maybe the tire engineers who often contribute will see this and comment.


Here is a recent thread...
https://www.airforums.com/forums/f43...-234705-3.html

or search Tireman9 or CapriRacer and GYE or Goodyear Endurance. Lots of discussions as it's been about a 4 year run for the GYE's.

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Old 07-02-2022, 05:31 AM   #3
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Thanks for the information.
We went with the Endurance although it was hard to find here in Raleigh area.
Ours were also 2/18 with about 40000 miles on them we were just about to buy new ones.
Fortunately no damage to trailer since it held itself together as we got to shoulder. Click image for larger version

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What kind of tire was the blowout?
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Old 07-02-2022, 06:03 AM   #5
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Goodyear Endurance 2/18
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Old 07-02-2022, 08:04 AM   #6
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I just put on my second set of Carlisle RD HT trailer tires through Discount Tire. My trailer is a bit larger and I went with LRE tires. They have been very good, maintain pressure exceptionally well and tread wear is very good. Also, less expensive than the Goodyears.
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Old 07-02-2022, 09:19 AM   #7
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Goodyear Endurance 2/18
So if I understand correctly these were 4 years old? Is 2/18 the manufacture date of the trailer or the tires? On the positive side they held together and there was no damage! What load range and what was recommended. I always like to err on the side of a heavier load range for trailer tires.
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This has to be the first Endurance blowout reported on this Forum (we had loads with the Marathons). Can we have more details on the tire manufacturing date and closeup pictures of the other tires?
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Old 07-02-2022, 03:53 PM   #10
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Sorry, the tires are gone already replaced. They had a
2/18 tire date.
We bought trailer 11/18. We had put about 40,000 miles on those tires. Just a 19foot trailer.
Last summer getting into and out of Many Glacier cg through the construction we hit some very rough patches. The tires were due for replacement due to some wearing but no observable cracks or defects. Inflated at 80 psi. Temperature that day close to 90 degrees.
We have been on 14 cross country trips and never had a blow out til now.
Previous rig was a fiberglass 17 foot Eggcamper.
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Sorry, the tires are gone already replaced. They had a
2/18 tire date.
We bought trailer 11/18. We had put about 40,000 miles on those tires. Just a 19foot trailer.
Last summer getting into and out of Many Glacier cg through the construction we hit some very rough patches. The tires were due for replacement due to some wearing but no observable cracks or defects. Inflated at 80 psi. Temperature that day close to 90 degrees.
We have been on 14 cross country trips and never had a blow out til now.
Previous rig was a fiberglass 17 foot Eggcamper.
This topic goes on forever but here goes, if you look up the Goodyear Endurance tire inflation table you will see that 80 lbs of pressure for the weight of a 19 footer is way over the recommended pressure (no matter what the AS sticker says, they put the max tire pressure) This doesn't mean the tire should not be able to handle 80 lbs but it's the max pressure and with the road level temps reached in summer you are pushing the limits with a tire with 40k miles of wear.
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Old 07-03-2022, 10:38 AM   #12
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Sidewall failure are evidence of a Run Low Flex Failure because of air leak.
Air can leak due to puncture, cut or leaking valve stem or leaking valve core or even cracked wheel.


TPMS are designed to warn of air leak and if properly programed can even sometimes provide enough advance warning of a slow leak so that you can fix the problem before destroying the tire or damaging the RV.
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Sorry, the tires are gone already replaced. They had a
2/18 tire date.
We bought trailer 11/18. We had put about 40,000 miles on those tires. Just a 19foot trailer.
Last summer getting into and out of Many Glacier cg through the construction we hit some very rough patches. The tires were due for replacement due to some wearing but no observable cracks or defects. Inflated at 80 psi. Temperature that day close to 90 degrees.
We have been on 14 cross country trips and never had a blow out til now.
Previous rig was a fiberglass 17 foot Eggcamper.

If the tires are gone I am wondering if you have pictures and have record of the full tire serial. With any tire failure there needs to be an actionable complaint filed with -NHTSA - Without a complaint filed there will not be any data available for DOT to do an investigation.
Many complain about tire quality but there will never be any improvement until the tire companies feel some pressure to spend the money to improve quality.
While a simple tire failure messed up your day, when NHTSA needs to decide when and what to investigate, I am sure you will agree that personal injury would be more important. BUT if NHTSA doesn't get the most basic information (Tire DOT serial and at least one in focus well lit picture of the failed tire ) it's as if the failure never occurred.

NHTSA does not have an unlimited budget and as DOT budget is cut because many do not like funding any part of the Federal Government you may want to consider how their inability to do a proper and complete investigation affects you.
Think of a situation where there was some vandalism to property, but no one took the time to file a police report.

If the RV community wants better quality tires they need to provide the evidence of any current poor quality and simply posting on a forum that a tire failed does not allow even the most basic steps to be taken,
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This topic goes on forever but here goes, if you look up the Goodyear Endurance tire inflation table you will see that 80 lbs of pressure for the weight of a 19 footer is way over the recommended pressure (no matter what the AS sticker says, they put the max tire pressure) This doesn't mean the tire should not be able to handle 80 lbs but it's the max pressure and with the road level temps reached in summer you are pushing the limits with a tire with 40k miles of wear.

While we only have that one picture and a report of probable road impact As a tire forensics expert, I see no reason to blame the inflation pressure for the failure.
What is the GAWR for "a 19 footer"? most RVs load the tires to 75 or 80% of the tire max load capacity even when there is nothing loaded into the RV.
Have you read any of the the reports I cited in my blog on the 100% correlation between impact and tire failure?
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Though, sure I'm wrong, common sense would tell me the following:

Trailer tires are not built to the same level as passenger/truck tires do to possible lawsuits based on failure. So, if you want tires that do not fail as often, go with the upgrade to the 16" Michelins "OR" if you want tires that when they do fail do the least amount of damage, go with a "Bias-Ply" tires which tends to come apart in pieces vs. a chainsaw at 65mph. Was once told, "80% of tire failures, happens during the last 20% of the tire's life". Tires are cheap, replace them before that last 20% and you'll be far better off in the long run. (IMHO).

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Interesting -

Almost four 1/2 years old with 40,000 miles
That tire did stay in more or less one piece instead of coming apart like a "chainsaw".
There was not a lot of tread life left in the tire.
There was a failure however not sure how one tells if the cause was a road hazard or some other cause. The open road is not always a friendly place where the rubber meets the pavement.

I would not want bias-ply tires on a trailer that is being operated at high speeds and traveling lots of miles.

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This has to be the first Endurance blowout reported on this Forum (we had loads with the Marathons). Can we have more details on the tire manufacturing date and closeup pictures of the other tires?
I had a double tire blowout last fall with Goodyear Endurance tires. Both tires on the curb side failed at 65 mph. My situation was caused by road debris, but it was still a GYE blowout.
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If you travel a lot, then I would go with Michelins truck tires. Truck tires have a significantly thicker tread. On my three axle trailer I have gone through countless ST tires until I bought Michelins. Like 22 in 11 years. No more blowouts due to tread separation.
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This isnt the only one recently.

See post #26

https://www.airforums.com/forums/f54...ml#post2611006
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If you travel a lot, then I would go with Michelins truck tires. Truck tires have a significantly thicker tread. On my three axle trailer I have gone through countless ST tires until I bought Michelins. Like 22 in 11 years. No more blowouts due to tread separation.
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No brand is immune from problems. Didn't Michelin also have a recall on some LT tires about 10 years ago for blowouts?

https://www.michelinman.com/auto/why...call-july-2013

I'm not trying to be critical of Michelin for this, just to point out that jumping to another brand is not a guarantee of problem free travel.
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