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Old 03-24-2016, 01:44 PM   #21
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I think you can see in the photo the 16" wheel/tire combo fits nicely with room to spare.


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Old 03-24-2016, 02:11 PM   #22
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m.hony... you did not say if you went to LT225 or LT235 Michelins.

I have to assume LT225, but could you clear that one up. Nice wheels.
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I purchased five wheels and will use five michelin LT225/75R16 LTX M/S2 tires. We run Michelin LTX's on the Tundra and the Passenger version on our Land Cruiser. Never an issue. The Stock Goodrich tires we remove, sell like new on Craigs List and everyone is happy.

Spare Tire Issue:

You are going from 15" to 16" wheels and if you use your 15" as a spare, it may create issues where your axle flexes with the weight on that side supported by one 16" and one 15". You get flat spots when the tire contacts the road as it will be free spinning and not making contact when installed.

You could buy the wheel and buy a used Michelin as a spare. Then you do not have to rotate and worry that the tire will rot and have to be replaced in five years, unused.

Anyone have comments on that possible issue?

There is nothing like being out in nowhere, have a flat tire and running a 15" spare on a trailer with 16" wheels. Even a steel wheel is not cheap, new. Purchasing an aluminum wheel from Airstream would probably scare me when I saw the price they want.

I have yet to have a Marathon 15" on my 2014 International going bad, but I am buying FIVE TIRES AND WHEELS as insurance over a $3,000 fender repair some day.
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Old 03-24-2016, 03:08 PM   #23
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I just installed the 16 inch Sendels and Michelin tires 3 weeks ago. I paid just around $348 for each installed with chrome nuts and metal stems. I did it all at my local Discount Tire Store! Totally happy and sold the old wheels!
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Hi Ray,

Since you are collecting experiences from others, I will share mine. I had two fender shaping experiences with the ST tires on my 1998 Safari as well as a tread separation or two.

I now have a 2007 25' Classic. I finally gave up on ST tires and in March of 2012, I bought 5 16" Sendel wheels and Michelin LTX M/S LT 225/75-16 tires. I ordered all from the Internet and had a local garage mount and balance them.

The trailer wheel wells were not all exactly the same size. I was not happy with the reduced clearance in two locations and expanded the wheel wells. Very easy to do. I will attempt to post photos.

I have heard that some spare tire carriers will take a 16" wheel without problems. Mine would not. I cut the retaining brackets and welded in a short piece of 1/2 iron pipe, which fortunately was a perfect fit for the rods used as retaining brackets.

I went to our local dealership and looked at the nameplate of an Eddie Bauer unit 2 or 3 years ago. A/S listed the recommended pressure on a 25' EB with the exact same wheels and tires at 80 lb. But I usually run between 65 and 70 lbs. The Michelin loading tables for my axles weights recommends even less.

My experience with these tires has been exactly the same as the Michelins on my truck. After 4 years and over 30,000 miles on the trailer, absolutely zero problems, hassles, or worries.

I like the extra margin on speed rating. I usually drive between 60 and 65 but I would rather do that on tires rated for 90 than tires rated for 65.
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Old 03-24-2016, 03:52 PM   #25
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LT 225/75R16
Don't think the 10 mm difference would make the tires too big-
I think LT 235:75R16 tires would fit just fine.


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Old 03-24-2016, 05:11 PM   #26
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Ray,

I put the 16" Sendels and Michelins on my Safari 25. I read posts about stressing the trailer, rivets popping, etc. On the 25 I ran them at 75 psi because that gave me the same load carrying capacity as the 225/75-15 LR D tires that were on the trailer when I bought it. I towed the trailer for a year with an F-150 and upgraded to a Ram 2500 Cummins. In deference to the concerns about 3/4T trucks being too harsh on trailers, particularly with the Equalizer brand hitch, I milled my 1000# bars down .050 on all sides which effectively made them 750# bars. I never noticed any problems with either configuration.

I recently traded the 25 for a Classic 30 S/O (and kept my wheels and tires) and tow it with another equalizer hitch. Due to the higher GVWR I run the tires at 80 psi. So far, no observable damage in over 11,000 miles of towing, 2000 miles with the 30 footer. However, I heard yesterday that the most common failure was popped interior rivets. Since both my trailers have/had the vinyl ceiling and mouse fur walls, I wouldn't have seen any popped rivet heads.

I will suggest you add a TPMS. I did and it saved me when bringing the 30 home. I hit some debris I couldn't avoid on an exit ramp in Atlanta. About a mile later the TPMS alarmed. I slowed to 15 mph and exited. By the time I got stopped in a parking lot where I could change the tire it was down to 11 psi. At no time did I hear or feel anything that would have let me know I had lost a tire. As a result, I had no damage to the trailer and limited stress to the other tire on that side. I figure the $250 expense saved me 2 or 3 thousand in trailer repairs.

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Ray, thanks for starting this discussion. I am in the process of selecting a new set of tires for my Safari 25. Why is it necessary to change the wheel size to 16"?

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Old 03-24-2016, 05:57 PM   #29
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Just because it is hard and getting harder to find 15" LT Load Range E tires in the 225 or 235 aspect ratio.
15" LT tires are scarce and only getting scarcer.


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yea to michellin

After 5 tire failures with all types of trailer tires including one massive blow out on a brand new Carlisle tire on the way from Michigan to Florida (60 mph, smooth road and tire pressure checked earlier in the day) and a second one failing on the return trip a few months later I gave up. Other tire failures occurred on the way to Arizona from Michigan and a very scary run from Tuscon to Phoenix at 99 degrees trying to run at 65 mph where most of the traffic was running 80 plus. When we did try to change the tire, I took the spare down to find the entire sidewall split. We tried the D rated tires as well as the E rated and none held up any better than the others. We have gone with the Michelin tires and never looked back. We have run them around 70 psi and have had no rivet problems. Three years later and they still look like new. Our 03 Airstream has been all over the country and is pulled every month. When trucks are flying by on the turnpike in nasty rainstorms it is nice to have the peace of mind these tires bring and the relief of not worrying about tire problems every mile is well worth the cost.
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Just because it is hard and getting harder to find 15" LT Load Range E tires in the 225 or 235 aspect ratio.
15" LT tires are scarce and only getting scarcer.


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Old 03-24-2016, 07:04 PM   #32
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I installed new michelins, 225/75/16 on sendel black out wheels, we are leaving Wednesday morning to Pismo Beach ,Calif...it will be interesting to see if there are any towing differences.....hope the storms give us a 2 day break...
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I installed new michelins, 225/75/16 on sendel black out wheels, we are leaving Wednesday morning to Pismo Beach ,Calif...it will be interesting to see if there are any towing differences.....hope the storms give us a 2 day break...
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We are suppose to have a little snow Friday in the Denver area. If it gets in your way coming through Castle Rock... call... you have a place to stop and I broke our spare snow shovel, so you are safe in that respect.

We want to hear what your experience was with the new set up.

With the blizzard yesterday, my wheels are already a day late for delivery. Fed Ex shows up with a small carton of ink cartridges for our Epson this afternoon... and I had been fairly good all last year, expecting something a bit larger.

Getting these wheels and tires are like Xmas coming early. The wheels, not the blizzard. When I open the cartons I will comment on packaging and if the wheels appear to be fresh or returns sent to me...

We were at Costco picking up some groceries and I went into the Tire Shop and smelled some new Michelins. The Michelin sale is not until May, but I looked so disappointed that he gave me his card and the Tire Manager said would give me the $70 off.
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Such great information. Thanks to all for taking the time and sharing your experiences. I've been towing our 2016 Sport 22FB with the much loved GYM's @ 65 PSI at basically whatever speed feels safe. Mostly 70 mph but I was not aware of the high failure rate until reading this and other threads. Arriving soon (maybe) is our new Pendleton equipped with the 16" Sendal wheels and Michelin tires. I was at the factory and took pictures of our unit. When I got home I was surprised at the overall profile differences and will just feel more comfortable towing a tandem with
a better rubber. Have a Hensley on the way too. I feel that learning curve coming right at me!
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With our 2013 25FB International Serenity, I had to use the eyelet end of a 15" crescent wrench and another one to provide some leverage to slightly bend the two upright arms outwards for the larger diameter Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tire on the steel rim. Once the fitment was completed, I found that the wider cross section of the the new tire made getting the catch engaged for the tire support arm was a real challenge, but doable.

The 2014 Classic's tire carrier needed no adjustment to the arms and getting the tire on the rack was a little challenging. I will probably need help to get it off the rack as I had to shove it as far back as possible. The cross section seemed to work okay.

Upgrading the 2015 23D International Serenity from 14" GYM ST215/75R14C tires with a diameter of 26.7" to new SenDel T03-567545T wheels and Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires with a diameter of 28.9" required we build a new custom tire carrier to compensate for both the larger diameter and wider new tire cross section.

I would suggest that getting a used tire for a spare could be false economy as the older tires could have the elapsed time issue from the build date that degrades the tire carcass and would make it much more susceptible to failure when you need it the most.
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Wheels Arrived in Perfect Condition

Three cartons from Performance Plus Tires arrived this noon. None had been previously opened and one contained the set of lug nuts with one "wheel lock" lug nut per wheel with one special socket to install/remove. A second socket to remove the wheel lock costs $7.50. The bag of four security wheel locks has a number to request for a spare socket. That wheel carton had been resealed to insert the lug nut carton.

The first wheel fit the trailer's bolt pattern perfectly. My original 15" wheels look the same as these wheels. The carton has 16" x 6.0 printed on the carton to pack 16" wheels. Each wheel has a separate carton, label, a cloth 'net circle' to keep dust off the finish and a piece of plastic between an inserted cardboard sleeve and the carton and contents sealed with clear tape. Two wheels fit into another cardboard box and is very well paper taped.

The lug nuts require a 9mm deep socket for the original lug nuts and those sent with the wheels. I used a deep socket that is 2 1/2" long. I want it to cover the entire lug nut and not just part. Some sockets are designed for a spark plug. The sockets are usually 3/8" drive, so to get a "breaker bar" that is solid I have a 1/2" drive and have an adapter to use the 3/8" socket. Or you can buy an impact socket that is 1/2" drive that will fit a breaker bar.

When I removed the wheel from my 2014 there is a sticker that says " use Zero Offset Wheel" on the brake drum. There is also a warning about using the new wheels with disc brakes and make sure that the wheel clears the calipers. I have drum brakes and the 16" wheels are marked as Zero Offset.

The carton has the Bolt Circle as 6/139.7 (Metric). It is the same as 6/5.50 (US)

Center bore 4.25" (US) which fits the original center insert. Mine fit perfectly that were installed with the 15" wheels. This is the center chrome/aluminum sleeve that covers the center of the wheel.

Load Rating: 3200 pounds

Description: Machined Aluminum Trailer

Lug Nuts: 1/2 x 20 embossed on the replacement lug nuts. They are a solid lug nut and the same height as my originals. The Airstream originals have a chrome sleeve pressed onto the lug nut, probably for looks. The replacements appear to be solid and finished better where they contact the wheel. I have seen the original Airstream installed lug nuts chrome sleeve get damaged and the socket will not fit as the sleeve is damaged.

Purchasing the new lug nuts would be up to each buyer. If your originals have not been blemished... keep them. Now I know that I could have used either, but the security lug nuts would deter someone needing your wheels and tires.

Total shipping weight was 121.6 pounds. Fed Ex and shipped 3-21 and arrived a day late after the blizzard on 3-25. Order was handled at Performance Plus Tires by Christian from my internet ordering and receiving confirmation that they were shipped.

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Michelin LT225/75R16 Load Range E LTX M/S2 Tires

Costco ordered from Michelin's distribution center in Reno, Nevada:

Five LTX M/S 2 Light Truck
LT225/75R16MS2
LRE (Load Range E) BSW (Black Side Wall out) MSPN 05681 70K warranty

Total Cost: $936.72

Price includes mounting tire onto wheel, metal pressure valve, Nitrogen, balancing.
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Make sure you get the 78% nitrogen. It's blended specifically for use on earth.

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