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Old 11-25-2009, 02:59 PM   #1
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Question Flat tire...

Ok folks...anyone have this happen...?

I had a flat on my new to me '72 Argosy and new to me owning a trailer of any kind...pumped the tire up and took her to the tire repair place...got tire fixed and pumped up....tire wouldn't go back on. Too fat to get under the metal ....they had to deflate the tire put it on and repump it up to 65lbs...

So I travel alone...and the tire gets flat...my only recourse, aside from cutting away the metal which the tire folks suggested!!! , is to deflate the spare, install it and inflate it again...?

Are there any tires that fit without deflation? the tire company said that I have the thinnest tires available these days.....or do I need to get a better air compressor?
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Old 11-25-2009, 03:09 PM   #2
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Do you still have the original axels? If so, then they are probably shot. When you jack the trailer up, does the tire raise off the ground almost immediately, or does the wheel drop? You want the wheel to drop some as you jack up the trailer – that means you still have springiness in the axel. I had pretty much the same issue with Little Girl (72 Sovereign), in that since the axels are pretty shot, getting the wheels and tires off to change them was difficult since the axel was not dropping enough for the tire to easily clear the shell. The only reason I could actually get the tires off was because the rivets around the wheel well were already no longer attached to anything, so the shell flexed out enough.

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do I need to get a better air compressor?
Yes.

Tire pressure drops for a couple of reasons among them colder air, leaking valve stems and leaking tires. The latter two reasons may not mean they are no good because some air will escape especially with some brands. It's a good idea to check tire pressure frequently on trailer tires and do it in the morning when it is cool or cold.

A good air compressor is a necessity to make sure you have the proper air pressure. Make sure it can pump a lot more than 65 lbs. and doesn't run off a cigarette lighter socket (not enough amps for 65 psi). The smaller pumps can take forever to pump up a tire, so one rated at 65 or 75 lbs. are at maximum and may get really slow. I found a good compressor at Costco for about $65 and it works very well. It has a gauge and attaches to the battery terminals.

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Old 11-25-2009, 03:49 PM   #4
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Yep, the axle is shot.Been there done that. Dave
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:46 PM   #5
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I had a heck of a time changing the wheels on our Trade Wind.....then I installed new axles. I gained 3 1/2" to 4" in height. Wheels 'fall' off now.
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Old 11-25-2009, 10:03 PM   #6
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Thanks...this is a great forum!

Does anyone know someone in Northern NM who could check and/or replace the axels?

I live in Taos, about 75 miles north of Santa Fe...

And thanks for the tip on the costco compressor...will check it out...
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Old 11-25-2009, 10:13 PM   #7
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Call Andy at Inland RV (www.inlandrv.com) and he can spec you new axles that are an exact bolt in fit (2 bolts per side per axle) and can be done in just a couple hours.

We had to replace axles on our 69 tradewind, and recently installed a new one on our 63 safari. It was so bad on that one we couldn't get the tires off, even fully deflated.
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Old 11-25-2009, 10:18 PM   #8
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Thanks...this is a great forum!

Does anyone know someone in Northern NM who could check and/or replace the axels?

I live in Taos, about 75 miles north of Santa Fe...

And thanks for the tip on the costco compressor...will check it out...
You can check the axle out yourself, in about 30 seconds.

Read the article about axles, in the Airstream Central web site, which is a part of this Forums.

Many owners change out the axle/axles themselves, as there is nothing to adjust or alter.

The hardest part is jacking up your single axle Argosy, taking the wheels off, remove the shocks, disconnect the wires, remove 2 each 5/8 bolts from the axle mounting plate, and the axle will fall on the ground.

Reverse that process, and it's done.

You should also change out the shocks, which are a special horizontal type, when you replace the axle.

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Old 11-25-2009, 10:33 PM   #9
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This is the article that Andy is referring to. The Dura-Torque Axle. You can also find a similar article at Airstream, Inc :: Home here http://service.airstream.com/files/l...22708290a0.pdf. Please take your time and learn about the different options in axles. Read here http://www.airforums.com/forums/f437/.
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There's an Airstream dealer in Albuquerque. So far as I know it has not been maligned on the Forum.

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A couple of years ago I brought my 71 to their lot because I needed a statement of value for insurance. Same one as in my Avatar. They basicly kicked me off the lot because it was vintage. I was in the middle of restoration and it was not all shined up, but not a piece of junk either. Told me "I won't put my name on" a statement about my 71. I felt they were embarrassed to have it seen by the public next to their new streams. On another ocassion they told me they will not work on any Airstream over 10 years old. Another time they were more than willing to replace a segment with a repairable dent for a couple grand.

Oh. Almost forgot. Ditto on the axles. Can you post a photo of how she sits on the wheels.
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Old 11-26-2009, 11:59 AM   #12
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Check out the FCU (4 Corner Unit of the WBCCI) in your area. They will be alot of help for you. They even have a rally each spring on maintaining and repairing your trailer. They are a really nice group of people. Along with everone else, your axle is shot and will need replaced. I had the same issues with my 21' Globetrotter, a new Dexter axle solved the problem. You will also get all new brakes with a new axle.

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Yes it looks like she's riding a bit low based on the hubcap to wheel well spacing. Nice spare tire mounting/cover!

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Does anyone know someone in Northern NM who could check and/or replace the axels?

I live in Taos, about 75 miles north of Santa Fe...
It's not rocket science. It's easy to check the axles by looking at the position of the torsion arm. It should have a downward angle. Horizontal may be OK or marginal. Upward is bad. Next, jack the axle off the ground. Watch where you put the jack. As the trailer body is jacked up a few inches the wheel should remain on the ground for a while. If yours don't that is the reason for your tire changing difficulty and the axle is shot. Also check you are using the right tire. The original tires should have been 7:00 15 which is a narrowish bias tire. A lot of owners have switched to radial 225 75R 15 which is a bit wider an a little harder to get on the lugs. But in any event even with new axles it's a bit tight.

Photos would help.

I live about 2 1/2 hours south of you.
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Good suggestion Kip. I've used Oasis RV in Tucson for some parts sourcing. They gave up their Airstream dealership but know Airstreams backwards & forwards. They're more convenient than going to Dallas or California if you're going to hire the job done. Perhaps somebody more regional has had recent experience... Anyone?

Please post back here on the experience whatever way you go!
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Old 11-26-2009, 09:07 PM   #17
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...hope you are all are having a fabulous Thanksgiving!!!

Thanks for all the advice everyone...

Holiday RV in Albequerque.....I was not treated with much respect there...I went to look at a couple of AS...I would not go back.


Lumatic, I will take some photos tomorrow, check the tire size...the tires did not drop at all when the tire company was jacking the trailer...so it is probably the axle...glad to know someone is close.....close at least by NM standards...

spare tire cover was found at a auto salvage in Colorado Springs! Pretty neat, huh...it is a little dinged up close...but still wonderful.

Am making some research calls tomorrow re: axle purchase. Still looking for someone to install it. What about local mechanics? At least they would have the tools and mechanical experience, which I don't.
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Holiday RV in Albequerque.....I was not treated with much respect there...I went to look at a couple of AS...I would not go back.


Lumatic, I will take some photos tomorrow, check the tire size...the tires did not drop at all when the tire company was jacking the trailer...so it is probably the axle...glad to know someone is close.....close at least by NM standards...


Am making some research calls tomorrow re: axle purchase. Still looking for someone to install it. What about local mechanics? At least they would have the tools and mechanical experience, which I don't.
When raising the trailer, and the tires do not drop, tells you that the rubber rods within the axle tube, has solidified. Therefore it offers no cushion.

Installing a single axle and replacing the shocks, depending on the shop, takes about 2 1/2 hours.

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Old 11-28-2009, 05:58 PM   #19
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Ok here are some pics of the streetside tire without the hub, which still is loosing air, and what I could get underneath...
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Try spraying the tire that's losing air, with a soapy water solution.

Look for small bubbles.

That will show you where the leak is at.

Also, don't forget to spray the valve stem as well.

When the shop reinstalled the tire on the wheel, did they brush any liquid on the tire where it fits on the wheel?

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