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10-07-2020, 07:05 PM
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Rivet Master
2004 28' Classic
Monument
, Colorado
Join Date: Nov 2015
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Axle Replacement 2004 Classic
I started my axle replacement on my 2004 Classic 28 last weekend. I jacked up the trailer on Sunday and loosened the eight bolts holding the Henschen axles in place. On Monday, I picked up the new axles in Ft Collins. They have a three inch lift built in plus a 22.5 degree down angle, 4700 pound rating on each, never lube bearings and never adjust brakes. I took off the front axle on Tuesday (about one hours work) and installed the new front axle today (about three hours work). The front axle was easy. No major issues. Easier to put in than new axles and a three inch lift kit. I expected the rear axles to be more challenging.
Below are pictures with the old axles on the trailer, the new axles, and today, with the front axle installed.
I start on the rear axles removal tomorrow. More to follow...
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DaveP
2004 Airstream Classic 28 "Willard"
2023 Ram 3500 4x4
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10-07-2020, 07:33 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2005 28' Classic
Nicholasville
, Kentucky
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 49
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Dave, we have a 2005 28’ Classic. So I’m watching this closely, what caused you to replace the axles?
Hopefully mine will last a little longer.
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10-07-2020, 08:20 PM
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Rivet Master
2004 28' Classic
Monument
, Colorado
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,566
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KYShelby
Dave, we have a 2005 28’ Classic. So I’m watching this closely, what caused you to replace the axles?
Hopefully mine will last a little longer.
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I wanted to lift my trailer to make it easier to get in and out of my driveway, so I started paying more attention to the suspension.
The first thing I noticed was that the trailer was sitting very low and that when I jacketed it up, the wheels hardly dropped down at all. The trailer also pulled very roughly over washboard gravel roads.
I then did some research on this website, Inland RV's website and communicating with knowledgeable people. I learned that the axle arms should have a positive down angle when loaded. Mine were less than 1 degree on three wheels and negative on one wheel. I also learned that the wheels should drop (articulate) at least one inch when the trailer is jacked up (3 inches according to Inland). Mine were less than 3/4s inches.
The effective life of torsion bar axles is estimated at 15 to 20 years by the industry. It can be shorter if the trailer is not used a lot and just sits there. The two previous owners of my trailer had used the trailer very little.
It becomes a judgement call, but I knew they were coming to the end of their usable life soon, so I decided to do it now rather than wait, and get the advantage of the higher ride height.
Here is the link to the Inland website https://inlandrv.com/dura-torque-axle-article/
Feel free to ask me more questions. Good luck!
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DaveP
2004 Airstream Classic 28 "Willard"
2023 Ram 3500 4x4
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10-08-2020, 04:44 AM
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Site Team
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere
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Join Date: Apr 2010
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Dave,
Yeah rear might be a little more involved due to potential pan interference, you'll figure it out.
Folks might be interested in side by side shot of new vs old to show built in lift. I didn't know Dexter offered that.
Gary
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10-08-2020, 11:46 AM
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Rivet Master
2004 28' Classic
Monument
, Colorado
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,566
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Gary,
Good idea!
The picture on the left is the old axle with a one inch lift bracket. Airstream uses this as their standard axle. The second picture on the right is the new axle with the three inch rise in the bracket. This gives an effective lift of two inches in the bracket in comparison to the old bracket and I get another inch from the 22.5 degree axle arm. Thus, my lift should effectively be three inches total compared to the old set-up
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DaveP
2004 Airstream Classic 28 "Willard"
2023 Ram 3500 4x4
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10-08-2020, 01:35 PM
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Airstream'n Bachelor
2018 30' Classic
Pine Ridge
, Florida
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 46
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I see this in my future
Very interested in this project please overload us with pictures as you progress.
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10-08-2020, 02:36 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KYShelby
Dave, we have a 2005 28’ Classic. So I’m watching this closely, what caused you to replace the axles?
Hopefully mine will last a little longer.
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With ours it was simply age.
The inside edge of the front curbside tire started waring out a BN GYE.
I thought at first I had a bent axle, turns out the rubber in that side had failed. I went with standard lift 4000lb,(3500std), with conventional bearings. Work was done at JC in August.
Nothing is for never.
Bob
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POI I babied our axles since new. Our Classic had 3500 with a AS GVWR of 7500lb.
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10-08-2020, 06:58 PM
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Rivet Master
2004 28' Classic
Monument
, Colorado
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,566
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Finished hooking up brakes and machining out the mounting holes for the front axles. Installation complete for the front!!
First picture is the difference in the axles heights. Second picture is with about half the trailer weight on the front axle. You can see a sizable difference. Part of that is the articulation of the new axle. Some of that will be reduced with the full weight of the trailer.
Tomorrow, I remove the rear axles (hopefully!).
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DaveP
2004 Airstream Classic 28 "Willard"
2023 Ram 3500 4x4
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10-09-2020, 03:41 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1966 26' Overlander
1963 24' Tradewind
1990 34' Limited
Cape Coral
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 227
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Can you post a copy of your order/specification sheet? Alternatively, the details on the labels affixed to the axle tubes?
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10-09-2020, 06:50 AM
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Rivet Master
2004 28' Classic
Monument
, Colorado
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,566
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Dexter Order Form
Here is the order form I sent to my axle guy who then sent the information to Redneck Trailer Supplies. They confirmed that the three inch mounting bracket was available for the 4700 pound axle.
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2004 Airstream Classic 28 "Willard"
2023 Ram 3500 4x4
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10-09-2020, 03:59 PM
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Rivet Master
2004 28' Classic
Monument
, Colorado
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,566
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Rear Axle
This afternoon, I removed the pan for the gray and black tank, and removed the rear axles. Took about four hours.
The mounting brackets for the axle were hooked over the edge of the pan on both sides, so there was not choice. It seems that Airstream does everyone of these differently. I will be modifying the pan to make it easier to put back in and remove in the future.
The big empty space is where the new rear axle will go in...
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DaveP
2004 Airstream Classic 28 "Willard"
2023 Ram 3500 4x4
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10-10-2020, 03:59 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1966 26' Overlander
1963 24' Tradewind
1990 34' Limited
Cape Coral
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2008
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Thank you very much for posting your order sheet. New axles are on my to-do list in the spring.
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10-10-2020, 07:52 AM
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Rivet Master
1994 30' Excella
alexandria
, Kentucky
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,321
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Nice job on the axle replacement. I like the idea of the higher brackets vs the standard size. When I replaced I went with 32 degree down angle because they were not doing the high brackets.
The tank pan is definitely a pain in the butt.......I have had that less than wonderful experience too.
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1994 Classic 30'11" Excella - rear twin
2009 Dodge 2500, 6 Speed Auto, CTD, Quad Cab, Short Bed
Hensley Arrow hitch with adjustable stinger
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10-10-2020, 07:08 PM
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Rivet Master
2004 28' Classic
Monument
, Colorado
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,566
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Rear Axle
After experimenting with the front axle, I documented the rear axles install a bit more.
The first two pictures show maneuvering the axle into place with furniture dollies at both ends. The added advantage of this is that the drum brakes sitting in the dollies keep the axle from trying to rotate. You will see if you try this...
The third (sideway picture) shows the position of the jack to raise the axle brackets up into position without the axle rotating (get the jack under the flat part of the axle bracket on the bottom). Raise each end of the axle a few inches at a time for it to slide between the two sides of the frame and align to mounting holes. Jack the axles up high enough that they are tight against the frame. Then put the screws into the mounting holes and torque them down to 140 foot pounds.
The fourth picture shows the mounting hole(s) I had to machine out with a die grinder. My trailer had Henschen axles which had narrower mounting hole placement (off about 1/4 of an inch).
The last picture shows the rear axles in place. I will put the tires on after I finish reinstalling the pan. This all took about four hours.
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DaveP
2004 Airstream Classic 28 "Willard"
2023 Ram 3500 4x4
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10-11-2020, 07:18 PM
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Rivet Master
2004 28' Classic
Monument
, Colorado
Join Date: Nov 2015
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So, here is the final take. Completed putting the tank pans back in today and got the trailer off of the jack stands. This resulted in in just over a three inch lift from where we were with our worn-out axles. Very happy with the new ride height. Should allow us to go in and out of the driveway without changing hitches and give us more clearance for boondocking!!
Pictures are before and after.
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2004 Airstream Classic 28 "Willard"
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10-11-2020, 07:40 PM
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Rivet Master
2004 28' Classic
Monument
, Colorado
Join Date: Nov 2015
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Pan
BTW, putting the pan back in was a PITA as many have reported!! I put in new foam insulation and squishing it all into place was not easy. Tanks are much better insulated now than what the factory did. I also had to cut down the two forward facing corners to accommodate the three inch lift brackets.
My DW documented the efforts...
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2004 Airstream Classic 28 "Willard"
2023 Ram 3500 4x4
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10-13-2020, 06:41 PM
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Rivet Master
2004 28' Classic
Monument
, Colorado
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,566
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Just an FYI, as an after-thought. I had most of the tools, floor jacks, jack stands, die grinders, etc. from prior hobbies/experiences to do this install. If you would need to buy all of this stuff, it would be cost prohibitive and I would recommend having some one who does this kind of work, do it for you. It is not for the faint of heart to do this install. I did four hour stints doing this work. After 5 days of crawling/sliding around under the trailer, I was ready for a couple of days rest!
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2004 Airstream Classic 28 "Willard"
2023 Ram 3500 4x4
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10-14-2020, 06:22 AM
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Site Team
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere
, South Carolina
Join Date: Apr 2010
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Big tools and a supply of bandaids. It don’t get any better than that.
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10-14-2020, 07:06 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveP
So, here is the final take. Completed putting the tank pans back in today and got the trailer off of the jack stands. This resulted in in just over a three inch lift from where we were with our worn-out axles. Very happy with the new ride height. Should allow us to go in and out of the driveway without changing hitches and give us more clearance for boondocking!!
Pictures are before and after.
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TETO for sure.
Bob
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10-14-2020, 07:15 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2013 25' Flying Cloud
Crystal River
, Florida
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 474
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveP
After 5 days of crawling/sliding around under the trailer,
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I hate to use a creeper on pavers. Annoying enough I'd have to get some more plywood to roll on. I wished many times I had a die grinder when I did mine. I used the old 5/8" drill bit to ream out the necessary bolt holes but a die grinder would have been much more professional.
Looks good and congratulations.
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