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Old 08-03-2020, 10:54 AM   #1
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Are my axels ok?

I've attached some pictures that will explain the situation. Previous owner had two new axles installed with shocks, but a local guy did it and they look a few inches high. Got a quote from a company that restores airstreams and they said the axles need to be reinstalled to "airstream specs", something about boring another hole to mount them. Its a 1976 argosy. Here are my questions:

1. Can I leave it alone and be safe?
2. If not, what needs done, and can I do it myself?
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Old 08-03-2020, 11:33 AM   #2
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From your photos, I see nothing wrong with how the axles are mounted. It is possible that the drop angle of the new Dexter axles is greater than that of the original Henschen axles. That could be the source of the trailer sitting "too high." I am not aware of any problem that could cause, but others may disagree.

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Old 08-03-2020, 11:52 AM   #3
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I agree with Tim. I don't see a problem. Sitting a bit higher can be an advantage on off the beaten track roads. What on the install is not to Airstream specs? Cant tell from the photos without a photo of how the axle is bolted to the frame. Is the axle bolted with only 1 bolt on each side of the axle?
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Old 08-03-2020, 11:57 AM   #4
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Axles no problem....wheels and tires not so much.

I would not put new tires on those wheels.

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Old 08-03-2020, 12:39 PM   #5
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If you're not happy with those..........

If you're not happy with those axles, I have some period correct vintage axles that I'll trade you for those new ones. I am sure you want it to be as original as it can be......LOL!



I'm actually envious of them and they look good. Enjoy the back roads and bad angled driveways, and intersections.
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Old 08-03-2020, 12:45 PM   #6
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I'll sing along with the chorus. They look fine to me. It looks like the top of the axle mounting channel is butted against the frame on the other side of what looks like the belly pan. Further it appears the axle beams are going through the cutouts in the frame verticals. I don't see how it can be changed by "boring another hole."

My guess would be that the PO who replaced the axles might have ordered them with more down angle than original,or perhaps even Argosy's all look like that. I think you are fine. Perhaps you could try to get an explanation fo what needs to be changed in the mounting to get a better understanding.

I'll also chime in on replacing the tires (as a minimum) and maybe the wheels as well.
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Hello K5TAN and N4RGO

I didn't realize there were so many HAM's on the portal.

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Old 08-03-2020, 01:20 PM   #8
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Hello K5TAN and N4RGO

I didn't realize there were so many HAM's on the portal.

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Hey Dspchef,

There are a lot! Even somw threads about it.

https://www.airforums.com/forums/f42...ad-192495.html
https://www.airforums.com/forums/f45...-s-2577-6.html
https://www.airforums.com/forums/f42...am-175141.html
https://www.airforums.com/forums/f45...dio-18441.html

and probably more.

I have a spare Icom 706 I plan to mount in the trailer when it comes back from the repair shop and a spare screwdriver antenna I plan to put in a home-brew motorized lift and lay mount on the roof and I'll probably mount a 2m antenna in the front where Airstream now puts the radio antenna.

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Old 08-03-2020, 01:59 PM   #9
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I'm with the others, even went out to my 2018 and the gaps and placements look identical to the stock 2018 config. You don't want the axle to touch the pan. The placement on the frame matches also. I think the installer did a fantastic job.
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Old 08-03-2020, 02:33 PM   #10
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Axles no problem....wheels and tires not so much.

I would not put new tires on those wheels.

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Appreciate the wheel concern. Weird question, but whats bad about them? I assume new ones can be picked up at a local tire shop? Anything special to look for?
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Appreciate the wheel concern. Weird question, but whats bad about them? I assume new ones can be picked up at a local tire shop? Anything special to look for?
New ST tires are radials, more wheel stress on a dual axle trailer.

They look exactly like the OEM's on our '63 Safari which were a welded two piece wheel. A quality new steel or alloy wheel makes for good peace of mind.

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Old 08-03-2020, 04:15 PM   #12
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Noob disclaimer: I have no practical experience, only too many hours researching my axle install.

What does a gutted 24' Argosy weigh, and are 2 x 3500# axles "too much" in its current state? The end result might be a 'riding high' profile. I ask because my 29' 1990 Excella only had 2 x 3200# from the factory. A smaller, lighter(?) Argosy may have started with less, and if your trailer is empty, there's nothing much to compress the axle from its unloaded state.

The data labels on the axle ought to specify the starting angle, and if it's more than 22.5 degrees, that'll contribute to the added ride height. Having read too many axle threads, a common change was to 'upgrade' to 32 degrees.

From the pics, the install seems to be okay and there's nowhere to take out any ride height - the axle bracket is as high as it can go on the frame.

The wheels are also 16" which may add to height from 'factory original.' Again, insert noob/ignorance disclaimer.
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Old 08-03-2020, 06:04 PM   #13
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The axles look good!! I would "question" the shop that told you that they need to be in "Airstream spec". Make sure that you replace the wheels with heavy load capacity rims, as that is as important as having the correct axles and tire load capacity.
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Old 08-03-2020, 09:50 PM   #14
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Not to be too cheeky but the OP asked about Axels. I haven't seen any on the thread yet. Here's a triple: https://images.app.goo.gl/LzgjzpAfmtapb8uX7"]https://images.app.goo.gl/LzgjzpAfmtapb8uX7"]https://images.app.goo.gl/LzgjzpAfmtapb8uX7

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Not to be too cheeky but the OP asked about Axels. I haven't seen any on the thread yet. Here's a triple: https://images.app.goo.gl/LzgjzpAfmtapb8uX7"]https://images.app.goo.gl/LzgjzpAfmtapb8uX7"]https://images.app.goo.gl/LzgjzpAfmtapb8uX7

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In the picture it appears that the axles may be resting on the belly pan rather than the frame rail. If the belly pan was trimmed to allow the axle mounting plate to sit directly on the frame rail then you are good. If not you can probably take care of it yourself. The hardest thing (at least for me) was getting the bolts loosened. Yours should not be hard because you’re not fighting rust, but you’ll need a good cheater.

SuperTrouper- I like the axels...
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Old 08-05-2020, 11:18 AM   #17
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When I replaced the Henschen axle on our 2002 19' a couple of years ago, the aluminum of the belly pan was between the old axle and the frame. I left that arrangement for the new Dexter axle. I don't think that thin sheet of aluminum between the axle mounting plate and the frame is a problem.

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That's the goofiest looking shock angle that I've ever seen. Maybe it's OK for that type of axle but it would be wrong for a leaf spring type axle.
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Might look goofy but it is correct. The shock is designed for horizontal application.
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I just installed to identical axles on my 28' Ambassador. The installation looks fine. Originally I thought I would install a lighter weight also, but Colin Hyde suggested that the 3500# was correct. I also ordered the 32 degree down angle. Maybe you're just used to looking at your old saggy axles.
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