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06-28-2011, 01:38 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1990 29' Excella
Kernersville
, North Carolina
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 22
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A/C Pops Breaker
Yesterday I went out, turned the A/C on and "pop" went the breaker in the rear panel of the trailer. I am hooked into a dedicated 30 Amp plug and have used it numerous times in the past. I'm trying to figure out what is going on. The last time I used the A/C was probably 2-3 weeks ago. The fan works; just when I try to go to the A/C does it pop. Is it low on freon? It is, admittedly, a LOT hotter than the last time I tried it.
Thanks for any help
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06-28-2011, 01:46 PM
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Rivet Master
2011 31' Classic
Nellysford
, Virginia
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,067
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Rich,
Ours popped, too, once in a while during a recent trip. Temp. outside should not make a difference, but what ELSE is running at the same time might. Could not use it and make toast at the same time, for instance. Give it a try when it's the only thing running, eh?
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2011 31' Classic Ltd. - The Silver Otter III
2013 GMC Denali 2500HD 6.6 DuraMax - Sierra Blanca
TAC VA-18 | Life Mbr ACI 1927 - Spirit of Virginia Club | AIR 53869
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06-28-2011, 01:52 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1971 23' Safari
Lilburn
, Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 57
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It's possible the circuit breaker is bad but probably more likely there's a problem with the compressor on the AC unit. My original AC would do the same thing and after determining it wasn't the breaker I bit the bullet and replaced the 40 year old AC. Obviously your is much newer than that but still 20 years is pretty long time...
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06-28-2011, 02:06 PM
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Wise Elder
2010 30' Classic
Vintage Kin Owner
South of the river
, Minnesota
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,169
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Which breaker? The 30a main or the 20a breaker for the A/C unit itself?
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06-28-2011, 02:09 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1990 29' Excella
Kernersville
, North Carolina
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 22
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The little one, inside the trailer. Everything else works. When I kick the switch over to A/C, the motor pulls down, labors, then pops.
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06-28-2011, 02:12 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1990 29' Excella
Kernersville
, North Carolina
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 22
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Is it possible that I am low on freon? Would that make the thing labor enough to throw the breaker?
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06-28-2011, 02:25 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1971 23' Safari
Lilburn
, Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichWoodward
Is it possible that I am low on freon? Would that make the thing labor enough to throw the breaker?
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I wouldn't think so. I just had my unit at my house serviced because it wasn't blowing cold air. Turns out it was low on freon, but the outside condensing unit was running fine. Sounds like it's motor or compressor related to me...
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06-28-2011, 03:06 PM
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Rivet Master
1983 34' Excella
1967 24' Tradewind
Little Rock
, Arkansas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,825
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichWoodward
The little one, inside the trailer. Everything else works. When I kick the switch over to A/C, the motor pulls down, labors, then pops.
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OK, back to Jammer's question, of the little ones inside the trailer, is it:
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Originally Posted by Jammer
Which breaker? The 30a main or the 20a breaker for the A/C unit itself?
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You should have a 30a main breaker in the breaker box inside the trailer that controls all the power to the Airstream. You will also have a 20a breaker just for the AC. You have both in your breaker box. Which is tripping?
Sometimes breakers just get old. I replaced all of mine. The GFCI (the one with the "Test" button) one is kind of pricey, but the rest are not expensive and are easily available at hardware stores.
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06-28-2011, 04:09 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1990 29' Excella
Kernersville
, North Carolina
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 22
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Sorry, it is the 20a breaker. The main breaker is OK as the rest of the power stays on. Whenever I turn just the fan on, on the unit, it runs, then when I flip it over to AC the motor labors for 5-6 seconds then the breaker blows. If I try to flip it back to on, it refuses until I turn the AC back to fan only. Again, the last time I used the AC, several weeks ago, everything was fine.
This appears to be a Square D box, and the AC breaker is one of those little split breakers; any reason that the breaker might be suspect? I wouldn't think so but I am absolutely NOT an electrician.
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06-28-2011, 04:20 PM
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Wise Elder
2010 30' Classic
Vintage Kin Owner
South of the river
, Minnesota
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,169
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The most likely causes are the starting relay and starting capacitor. I would replace both before trying anything else. If the relays are expensive or hard to find you could try just replacing the capacitor.
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06-28-2011, 06:21 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1990 29' Excella
Kernersville
, North Carolina
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 22
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Thanks. I hate to be stupid but how do I get to, and identify, the relay and/or capacitor. Do I go in through the top or the bottom?
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06-29-2011, 10:33 AM
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Wise Elder
2010 30' Classic
Vintage Kin Owner
South of the river
, Minnesota
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,169
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I don't know what make and model A/C you have but all of them have the capacitor somewhere under the top shroud, usually in a little metal box with 5 or 6 wires coming out of it.
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06-29-2011, 10:58 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2003 30' Classic
Stratford
, Prince Edward Island
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 259
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You could also be not getting full shore power. It might be worth checking the power connection for voltage and if low, it will caus the 20 amp breaker to pop.
Are you at a campground or plugged into your own house power supply?
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Prince Edward Island
Canada
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"Southern Belle"
'03 Classic 30'
'10 Toyota CrewMax
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06-29-2011, 02:19 PM
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Rivet Master
2011 31' Classic
Nellysford
, Virginia
Join Date: Mar 2011
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Ah, so right Mac! We plugged in at a poor camp one time and EVERYONE was complaining about the low voltage of the power plugs. Could always be that.
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2011 31' Classic Ltd. - The Silver Otter III
2013 GMC Denali 2500HD 6.6 DuraMax - Sierra Blanca
TAC VA-18 | Life Mbr ACI 1927 - Spirit of Virginia Club | AIR 53869
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06-29-2011, 04:37 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1990 29' Excella
Kernersville
, North Carolina
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 22
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Thanks everybody. I tore the thing apart and have capacitors and relays, etc. out. What I have is a Coleman 13,500. I cannot read the model number on the data sheet as it is too faded; the only portion of it I can get is the 6799 part. I have a "Potential Relay, Essex part# 128226-1945PC which, while I have it out I might as well replace. I have another Aerovax M capacitor part# 88-108MFD 250VAC, which I can also replace. Now, there are two more capacitors, bundled with the Aerovax one that are so rusted that I am unable to get any numbers off of them. Can anybody help me out with these? Any suggestions on where to go to get all of them at once at a fair price?
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06-29-2011, 04:53 PM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
Loganville
, Georgia
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,741
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I had the same problem with mine shutting down. My air conditioner was made in 1975. I found out there are oil ports on my Coleman air. They are only on the old air conditioners. They are by the electric motor. I put oil in them by using a hypodermic plunger. My air conditioner started to run and did not shut down. That was one year ago I added the oil. I recently added more oil in the ports. I am only familiar with the 1970's Coleman.
Brian
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06-29-2011, 04:59 PM
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Rivet Master
1983 34' Excella
1967 24' Tradewind
Little Rock
, Arkansas
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lothlorian
I had the same problem with mine shutting down. My air conditioner was made in 1975. I found out there are oil ports on my Coleman air. They are only on the old air conditioners. They are by the electric motor. I put oil in them by using a hypodermic plunger. My air conditioner started to run and did not shut down. That was one year ago I added the oil. I recently added more oil in the ports. I am only familiar with the 1970's Coleman.
Brian
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Replacement blower motors usually have oil ports, at least the ones I've bought have. The original equipment ones don't seem to anymore.
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06-29-2011, 07:01 PM
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Wise Elder
2010 30' Classic
Vintage Kin Owner
South of the river
, Minnesota
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,169
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichWoodward
Thanks everybody. I tore the thing apart and have capacitors and relays, etc. out. What I have is a Coleman 13,500. I cannot read the model number on the data sheet as it is too faded; the only portion of it I can get is the 6799 part. I have a "Potential Relay, Essex part# 128226-1945PC which, while I have it out I might as well replace. I have another Aerovax M capacitor part# 88-108MFD 250VAC, which I can also replace. Now, there are two more capacitors, bundled with the Aerovax one that are so rusted that I am unable to get any numbers off of them. Can anybody help me out with these? Any suggestions on where to go to get all of them at once at a fair price?
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http://www.amazon.com/128226-1945PC/dp/B00401B65S
http://www.amazon.com/Gemline-11045-.../dp/B0026GLEX8
If you have an account with Grainger or know someone who does you can probably get better prices and service from them than the dealers on Amazon. Here's the start cap: StartCapacitor, 88-108mfd, 220-250 VAC, Rnd - Capacitors - Motor Supplies - Motors : Grainger Industrial Supply
Despite the rust the oil-filled run capacitors are probably still OK unless they are bulging or leaking. One is for the compressor, one for the fan motor. Here's the Grainger link which if you click around will get you a list of sizes and ratings which might help you decide which one you have: Run Capacitor, 20 MFD, 370 VAC, Oval - Capacitors - Motor Supplies - Motors : Grainger Industrial Supply
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06-29-2011, 07:35 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1990 29' Excella
Kernersville
, North Carolina
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 22
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AWESOME! The relay I have already found. There is a Grainger in Greensboro I used to deal with. I have finally figured out that the other capacitors are also Aerovox. One is numbered Z23P3712N and the other Z26P3735M. I can find numbers similar to these on Aerovox's site but on the first one the "P" is replaced with an "S" while I cannot find quite the same number for the other. I suspect that there are minor variances in the capacitors; often times it doesn't matter that much but, in this case, I don't know. Can you help me out there?
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06-29-2011, 07:36 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2001 30' Classic S/O
2001 36' Land Yacht XC Diesel 300 hp w/slide
Helotes
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 91
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I recently had the same issue. I replaced the breaker and it still tripped the breaker. I have it plugged into a 30 amp dedicated circuit. I had the A/C checked locally and at Texas RV Oarts they could not get it to trip. Brought it home and bought a 30 amp extension cord and have not had it trip since
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