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Old 12-30-2010, 07:34 PM   #2161
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Ouch! Diesel $3.65 per gallon.. $75.00 for 20.49 gallons!
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Old 12-30-2010, 11:29 PM   #2162
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There was a front page article in the local paper that the new fuel efficient vehicles are using less gas, resulting in less gas tax paid causing a state revenue shortage. By buying these fuel efficient vehicles we get to save a buck while helping the planet and we are harming the state. The solution, raise taxes. Ya gotta love it.

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Old 12-31-2010, 11:45 AM   #2163
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in southern alberta canada its 99.9 a liter,so that show make it about 349.6 a us gallon
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Old 12-31-2010, 12:40 PM   #2164
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Smartstream. I dont know where to start. I remember hearing there are over 50 different taxes on a loaf of bread. We are taxed to death. Sal.
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Old 12-31-2010, 12:55 PM   #2165
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There was a front page article in the local paper that the new fuel efficient vehicles are using less gas, resulting in less gas tax paid causing a state revenue shortage. By buying these fuel efficient vehicles we get to save a buck while helping the planet and we are harming the state. The solution, raise taxes. Ya gotta love it.

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That does not seem right to me and I think it's just an excuse for The Man to tax us more.

In my simple mind I think of how over the course of years fuel prices rise and there are more and more vehicles on the road so both the per-gallon tax and the total number of gallons sold should be increasing. Maybe that not accurate comparing only from last year, but over 2-3-4 years I would think it is increasing.

Price wise, I have seen diesel at $3.19 to $3.49 in Phoenix lately, with most being $3.29 or $3.39. Unleaded is $2.89 ish most places.
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Old 12-31-2010, 12:55 PM   #2166
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There was a front page article in the local paper that the new fuel efficient vehicles are using less gas, resulting in less gas tax paid causing a state revenue shortage. By buying these fuel efficient vehicles we get to save a buck while helping the planet and we are harming the state. The solution, raise taxes. Ya gotta love it.
Many countries in Europe have a diesel license fee added yearly for this reason.

It costs money to keep up the roads. Some people prefer that such infrastructure be paid for from the income tax, if available; the problem is that this distorts the actual cost of driving and in effect subsidizes road use. This helped clobber the US rail infrastructure, which was expected to pay for itself, while the roads were used by heavy trucks - which didn't pay the full measure of the wear and tear they caused on the roads. The wear on a road is approximately proportional to the 4th power of the axle loads, so if we assume
2000 lbs/axle for a sedan, 6000 lbs for our TV rear axles, and the legal limit of 34000 lbs (drive & trailer axles) for a truck, we see that if
the sedan causes 1 unit of wear, our tow vehicles cause 81 times the wear, and the loaded semi truck causes 65536 times as much. This is probably not realistic - but it is a good indication of the trends, and shows why road use fees should vary by weight.

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Old 12-31-2010, 01:33 PM   #2167
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In 1900 the US had a terrible road system—dirt tracks between towns. During mud season, travel was nearby impossible. An interurban trolley system was developed and became very successful and efficient. Earlier in our history a lot of roads were private tolls roads, but they were insufficient and not particularly well maintained either.

The first autos could not easily travel between towns, but groups like AAA lobbied for good roads. License fees and gas taxes were to pay for them. A modern road system was developed over the next decades and the interurban lines were abandoned—wish we had them now. Efficient communication is essential to a modern economy—roads, rail, canals, internet, phone, are all part of it.

In the present anti-tax climate, it is very hard to increase gas taxes and therefore there is less and less money available to pay for roads. The federal gas tax has been the same for a very long time and with inflation, produces less and less money in today's terms. The same thing happens with many state gas taxes and license fees. Despite more cars, more efficient cars means fewer gallons sold, so less tax revenue.

If you don't want to pay for roads, get used to potholes and crumbling bridges. It may cost you more in suspension repairs, damaged tires and new shock absorbers though.

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Cost of Reg. Gas $3.50 and Going up. Havn't looked at Diesel. (Chgo. Burbs)
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Old 02-24-2011, 01:10 PM   #2171
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Willl the rising cost of fuel limit your travels?????
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Old 02-24-2011, 01:13 PM   #2172
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Gene...While your statement may indeed be true, I don't think the lack of 'road improvement' funds is due to the existing (low?) tax rate on road fuels...

"In the present anti-tax climate, it is very hard to increase gas taxes and therefore there is less and less money available to pay for roads."

Here in California, where we have more road vehicles than any other state, we have HUGE tax revenues from fuel sales! Also, the current increase in fuel prices is a real WINDFALL for California, due to higher amounts paid for sales tax!

California is known for 'raiding' these tax accounts for other uses that are unrelated to road repairs...I think I've read in the past where Cal-Trans spends LESS than half of their funds on actual construction/repair of our roads and highways - That's just not right, and an inefficient use of the funds it receives - Cal-Trans get's their operating, pension, etc., funds right off the top, and road construction has to get in line...

It's a fact that government just can't operate as efficiently as the private sector, and the state of our nation's roads are another shining example...

It's not that they don't have the funds, it's a matter government's bloated, wasteful operating procedures...IMHO!...I guess that goes under, "So, what else is new"...
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Hi, I don't buy from this, freeway close, gas station, but drive by it almost daily; Sorry Diesel owners!
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jumped to 3.19.9 a gallon over night from 2.95.9 a gallon
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Reg. 111.9 c/l
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Conversion is $ 3.7854 Liter per US gallon. US price then would be $4.247 US gallon for gas and $ 4.235 for diesel.
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Old 02-24-2011, 03:11 PM   #2176
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Here we go again....... I knew this thread would come back gain.

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Old 02-24-2011, 03:12 PM   #2177
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I've seen a spike in fuel prices just in the last few days.

Reg Unleaded was $1.46 4 days ago. Now $1.65

Diesel is now running @ $1.72

Could you share what the current price is in your area?

Thanks-John

I just had to bring this up again. The first post in this thread was in 2003.
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This morning regular unleaded gas was $3.73 a gallon in the Oakland Hills, where we live. $3.99 for premium.

We filled up the Prius' tank yesterday for $3.49 a gallon and we were happy to pay it. Well, at least happier to pay $3.49 than $3.73. So were quite a few other motorists. There was line to gas up!

We paid $3.79 a gallon for diesel two days ago in San Leandro.
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Yesterday was mostly 3.249 for Reg in Melbourne, FL - was 3.199 at WalMart and every pump had a line. Didn't leave Land Yacht Harbor today so might have jumped a bit more. This up from 3.099 at most places just a couple of days ago.
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