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Old 10-20-2014, 11:41 AM   #61
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surprised/not surprised at the 'man-up, pay the fine' responses.

If you'd read my posts, you'd see I attempted to pay the ticket at the muni office listed on the ticket. They had 'no record' of the ticket, and the clerk offered nothing more.

Then, sends me late notice in mail with surcharges. Small town extortion scheme. Plain and simple.

If the ticket wasn't two days of driving away, I would've argued for dismissal based on laches doctrine.
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Old 10-20-2014, 03:48 PM   #62
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surprised/not surprised at the 'man-up, pay the fine' responses.

If you'd read my posts, you'd see I attempted to pay the ticket at the muni office listed on the ticket. They had 'no record' of the ticket, and the clerk offered nothing more.

Then, sends me late notice in mail with surcharges. Small town extortion scheme. Plain and simple.

If the ticket wasn't two days of driving away, I would've argued for dismissal based on laches doctrine.
I did read your posts. They clocked you at 88 yes? I don't know any 88mph roads (I guess that might exist somewhere) so you know you violated the law.

When it goes the other way - a known murderer "gets off" on a technicality, what's your reaction then?

Besides - you posted this in 2012 and still sound (to my ear anyway) a bit sore over it all. That's probably costing you more than the fine!

Now please - no salt/wound intended here - but the entire thing could have been avoided had you just obeyed the limit.

I used to drive way too fast (and angry) all the time. At some point we bought a Honda Insight which a ) had no power :-) and b ) had this cool "game" on the dashboard which grew leaves the more efficient you drove. I found myself driving in the far right lane all the time (instead of riding bumpers in the left lane, flashing high beams at the "jerk" in front of me who wouldn't exceed 80 in that lane or let me pass). And man - it was so refreshing!!!!

Now towing the Airstream (and a much different fuel consumer in my 3/4 ton truck) while exceeding the limit just seems silly (I know you weren't towing at the time too...).

Much lower stress, no fines or insurance surcharges, probably less injury to self and others if in an accident, no time spent being angry or sore over a municipal "scam"... What's not to love?

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Breathe deep. Slow down. If you do speed, pay the fine and go back to breathing deeply and slowing down. :-)
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:44 PM   #63
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Aftermath, thank you, this thread is so old that I had to go back and read my response, my opinion has still not changed.
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Old 10-20-2014, 07:00 PM   #64
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I did read your posts. They clocked you at 88 yes? I don't know any 88mph roads (I guess that might exist somewhere) so you know you violated the law.

When it goes the other way - a known murderer "gets off" on a technicality, what's your reaction then?
Sorry, can't argue with somebody who equates breaking the speed limit with murder.
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Old 10-20-2014, 07:09 PM   #65
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Sorry, can't argue with somebody who equates breaking the speed limit with murder.
I agree - that just doesn't sound right.

I was attempting to equate your point about the municipality's technical error (not having a record of the offense) to another technical error from the opposite perspective and that was the first "getting off on a technicality" that popped in to my head. I don't equate tickets with murder (or you with a murderer) - the analogy simply failed.

Hopefully the rest of it is still worth discussing.
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Old 10-20-2014, 07:13 PM   #66
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It is a racket. Pay the local court or pay a local lawyer. Never ignore it.

Paying the ticket is an admission of guilt and adds points to your home state drivers license - increasing insurance rate.

We have gotten quite a few of these tickets and always contest it via a local lawyer. Mostly out of principle. All can be handled over the phone or email. Do some research to find a good lawyer including talking to them on the phone. Tell the lawyer you want to avoid points.

We have gotten no points on our drivers licenses from out of state tickets. Most of the time charges are dropped or charges reduced to something avoiding insurance points. Sometimes small court costs.

MOST IMPORTANT: Never incriminate yourself. The police officer may ask you something like: "Do you know why I stopped you? or "Do you know how fast you were going?" or "Why were you speeding?". Always state that you believe you were driving safely and doing the speed limit and/or were not aware that you were over the speed limit. Make notes of your conversation and be sure you tell the out of state lawyer how you responded.
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Old 10-21-2014, 04:43 AM   #67
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I know I'm out of the mainstream on this. However, it seems to me that is so much easier and less stress just to drive the speed limit or under.

Yeah, I'm probably that old fart driving the speed limit and keeping you from getting to your appointment on time because you failed to allow enough time in the first place.

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It's easier to find a speed that is below the "flow" of traffic (the idiot pack) and remain in the right lane rarely if ever having to pass. Leave earlier, plan the trip better. The need to maintain adequate following distance precludes "speeding".

Fuel economy, vehicle wear & tear and driver alertness are better in a long day at the wheel when below the flow. The number of steering wheel corrections, brake applications and acceleration events are the criteria. Fewer = better.

Traffic violations can affect my income. Any at all mean some truck jobs are out of reach, no matter the purported severity of a "violation".

The mindset that allows for "speeding" (which is conditions, not the upper limit) also appears to allow for cutting between my 74,000-lb 46' tanker and the 59,000-lb 53' box van I am passing while on the Interstate. Or, cutting over to the right lane to go around me as I put enough distance to make the change back to the right lane. Believe me that I can whip through traffic if I so choose. As scary as that ought to be (and is) the principle is no different small to large.

I'm always amazed that there are those who think faster traffic has the right of way. "Speeding" leads to habitual bad decision-making. And doesn't really affect the length of the trip. Bad habits = bad driver.

I recommend learning how average speed works especially if the vehicle driven is modern enough to have this recorded for easy retrieval. Average speed is always lower than stated travel speed . . but the difference between below & above an upper speed limit can be vanishingly small in its calculation.

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Old 10-21-2014, 09:00 AM   #68
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Out of state speeding ticket

Sound advice from a commercial motor carrier. His words also describe the difference between a "driver" and a "motor vehicle operator".

Awesome post.
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:16 AM   #69
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Might as well close this thread after Slowmover's post. He pretty much said it all - from a professional's point of view.
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:58 AM   #70
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The "solution" was to get a radar detector. Really? I would outlaw all of these because the ONLY reason they exist is to break the law. It is indeed a scary place when our roads are filled with angry individuals who have no respect for the laws and law enforcement.

If this happened to me, I would send in the fine for the ticket with a letter written very respectfully explaining why I don't think I should have to pay the penalty. If they persist, I would pay that too and be done with it.
Hmmmm... I guess, then, that a radar detector use or possession must cause the owner to be considered guilty... until proven innocent? Not in our system of government - at least not around here. Mere possession of a detector in some other countries, states, & jurisdictions is however illegal.

Officer discretion determines not only whether a warning will be given or a speeding citation will be issued, but also if the offender will be released on a promise to appear. In some jurisdictions, depending on the severity of the offense, collateral bond must be posted by the alleged offender or they may be forced to spend some time in jail ... until an appearance before a judge or magistrate. If the offense is late on a Friday night and the judge is not available until Monday ... sadness!

An unpaid fine may result in a bench warrant - usually not executed until the offender returns to that state or jurisdiction. Then, the unpaid fine may result in an appearance before the judge and or jail time. Other agencies may also access and/or execute the bench warrant.

So, pay the fine; or, if you want. buy a detector - but suggest to stay away from the cheap ones. I can't tell you how many times I made a traffic stop and saw the flashing lights inside the suspect vehicle or heard the device honking in the background.
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I read once that a German auto magazine did an experiment. Over a 1000km road course they had 2 drivers. One to carefully drive and follow all limits while the other was to drive as aggressively as conditions permitted. ( and yes, autobahn's in Germany have no speed limit over most of their routes). So the end result over the course was the aggressive driver arrived at the end 20 minutes ahead. My point being, is it worth it ???

I also recall a bumper sticker, " I may be slow but I'm ahead of you". So, drive carefully, drive defensively and most of all drive to the conditions.

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Old 10-21-2014, 06:14 PM   #72
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Radar detectors are not allowed in Va. and D.C. I don't know whether owning them is illegal or using them is. A number of Canadian provinces and territories prohibit using them and in some owning them is also illegal. I think Yukon and Ont. prohibit ownership.

There are always speed traps somewhere and they sometimes target out of state drivers. I think Jessup, Ga., is one of the most famous. That's where you need a radar detector.

As for the concealed carry permit—Michigan law is cited and I think all of the traffic offenses listed are probably misdemeanors. They are in Colorado. Most traffic offenses are violations and technically not "crimes". That's the difference.

In the original situation, I would have checked with the county or district prosecutor's office to figure out who to talk to or contacted the state Attorney General's office. With a couple of former Utah AG's in a lot of trouble now, they may not be available.

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Old 10-24-2014, 11:28 AM   #73
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Husband had amassed over $400 in parking tickets when we lived in Chicago. We moved to California, and, guess what? Illinois found us and sent us a bill. We paid it.
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I'm not sure about your home state but some states including Texas are notified if you have a failure to appear warrant issued. Texas sends out renewal notices for your drivers licenses there is a code number on the upper corner of that notice that tells the clerk that there is a warrant issued and from who. You will be placed under arrest at that point. Don't ask me how I know :-)
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I love finding old threads that were resurrected! Many moons ago, when I was young (and foolish and impatient), I zoomed about with glee. Somehow, I only managed to have a couple of those roadside interrogations (" DO YOU KNOW HOW FAST YOU WERE GOING!!!), and more importantly only received one ticket (going 25MPH in a 22MPH Zone. Yes, Really 22MPH!). I got away with a lot. But that was 35-40 years ago. Traffic since then has quadrupled. These days I drive 3-5 under the limit in the slow lane. I spend less on fuel and brakes. I watch all the folks go zooming by me at full warp doing 15-20 MPH over. I guess they flunked 2nd grade and simply don't understand what the word LIMIT means! When I was young and foolish, I didn't either, but many of these folks are older than me!
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Old 11-09-2014, 04:08 PM   #76
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Husband had amassed over $400 in parking tickets when we lived in Chicago. We moved to California, and, guess what? Illinois found us and sent us a bill. We paid it.
Back in the 1960's it was normal to ignore parking tickets in NYC. I got a few while attending grad school in Manhattan and still haven't paid them. Those were the days when you could triple park and mostly get away with it. It was the alternate side of the street parking that got me a few times.

I drive slower (but not slow) than I used to. One reason is life is more precious when there's less of it. The other is towing a trailer around has made me more cautious.

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There was a recent article in the Canadian newspapers about how serious it is to get a ticket in the US and not pay it or have a lawyer or alternate attend a court date. If you are a NEXUS holder you now have a record and will lose those privileges. You can be detained at the border when trying to cross and treated like any other criminal who has failed to appear. The best option, drive within the legal limit, the alternative, pay the fine as soon as you receive the ticket and there is no issue.

Here is one of many articles:

B.C. drivers who ignore U.S. speeding tickets facing fines, jail - BC | Globalnews.ca
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Can we Americans ignore Canadian speeding tickets?

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....There are always speed traps somewhere and they sometimes target out of state drivers. I think Jessup, Ga., is one of the most famous. That's where you need a radar detector...Gene
Ah, so you are justifying my position. As long as you obey the speed limits you have nothing to fear. A speed trap is a place where they consistently enforce the speed limits posted. Nothing really unfair about that. I do think there are places where the police sit at the bottom of a hill and ticket you when not doing the 30 MPH when you are two feet past the sign even though you are slowing down. Ask me how I know this.

Get a radar detector so you can avoid getting a ticket when you are breaking the law. I stand by my original statement. I will also challenge anyone to explain why you need a radar detector if you have no intention of breaking the law. Anyone who has a radar detector mounted is overtly saying that they will drive well above any limit posted anywhere. It is up to them to make the laws on the highways when it comes to maximum speeds. A pretty scary position to take on the large scale.
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