Gas/diesel

[slowmover]

" . . This required a one ton long bed to do the job. The truck and camper together weigh 11,600#. When we tack on the Airstream, we are hovering around 19,000# of rolling stock. We had never owned a diesel powered vehicle before. All of our research disclosed that we were far beyond the capabilities of a gasoline truck engine. "

I own a TD truck yet often argue against a truck, much less a TD 1T. You, however are comfortably within the range of what this truck type is built for. The latest revison of the Dodge is the first time I've wanted a new truck over my 2004 CTD as the changes are that significant. For you, the DRW 3500-series with optional Aisin-Warner automatic is a match. No other brand touches this combo. If you want more tire and axle then a 4500 is a possibility, too.

GM TD trucks are pretty much an RV'er thing. Those who earn a living using 1T trucks beyond their rated capacity have chosen DODGE for more than a decade, and for very good reasons. I was one of them. Ford, unfortunately, is still a crapshoot (HPFP pump). Design life on a Cummins is 385k, and Ford/GM are no more than 225k. DEF is a non-issue in my opinion. The positives outweigh every single negative.

All these brands are far more expensive and complicated than before. But at 19k a gasser is going to work far too hard. Were you a "vacationer" versus being a "full-timer" I might relent in that, but you are not. "Continous duty" is the hallmark of a diesel. They are relentless where a gasser seems to tire as the day goes on.

Good luck

P.S. My fuel cpm figures are at $4/gl diesel. The 2014s appear to match it overall (but likely won't match my 21-mpg U]average[/U] the past 46k miles unless the operator is also committed to lowest fuel burn for a given task).

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[Bob4x4]

Originally Posted by crispyboy

Brian,
I believe some of the bugs have been worked out of the new diesel engines emissions systems but they are increasingly complex and costly to fix.

The 13/14 ram diesels have done a great job with getting rid of the annoying little emision related Ck engine light issues.Getting rid the 02 sensors and adding urea has been great for getting increased power and better fuel mileage.
As far as the repairs being costly..........well only after the warranties expire will you ever have to consider that aspect.The new aisin transmission has proven to be a very robust unit.

[Bob4x4]

Originally Posted by pappy19

For those that want a 1/2 ton Dodge with the new diesel engine, I am sure that Dodge will welcome you to buy one and test their first year production of their new V-6 diesel. You might be reminded of the first year that Ford came out with their 6.0 and dwell on that for a moment.

Did the 6.0 ever become a good engine?
I have heard if you add a bunch of aftermarket parts they become useable.One problem being in Cali everything has to get carb certified to be legal

[SeeMore]

Originally Posted by pappy19

For those that want a 1/2 ton Dodge with the new diesel engine, I am sure that Dodge will welcome you to buy one and test their first year production of their new V-6 diesel. You might be reminded of the first year that Ford came out with their 6.0 and dwell on that for a moment.

Actually, the Ram V6 EcoDiesel is almost three years old now - its currently available in the Grand Cherokee in the US market. It is built by VM Motori Cento, a 67 year diesel engine specialty company owned by Penske and GM since 2003, then Fiat bought out Penske's ownership share in 2011 so it is now a 50:50 joint GM/Fiat company. VM's diesels have been installed in Ford, Chrysler, General Motors, Lancia, Daimeler, Rover and Alfa Romeo vehicles among others and enjoys a superior reputation as the heart of London's taxi fleet. They are sorta the Cummins of Europe.

FYI - All our Interstate owners enjoy VM's V6 TurboDiesel engine in their rigs

[Bob4x4]

Originally Posted by SeeMore

Actually, the Ram V6 EcoDiesel is almost three years old now - its currently available in the Grand Cherokee in the US market. It is built by VM Motori Cento, a 67 year diesel engine specialty company owned by Penske and GM since 2003, then Fiat bought out Penske's ownership share in 2011 so it is now a 50:50 joint GM/Fiat company. VM's diesels have been installed in Ford, Chrysler, General Motors, Lancia, Daimeler, Rover and Alfa Romeo vehicles among others and enjoys a superior reputation as the heart of London's taxi fleet. They are sorta the Cummins of Europe.

FYI - All our Interstate owners enjoy VM's V6 TurboDiesel engine in their rigs

The interstates do not use vm.They are mb,The diesels in the prior years G/Cs were also Mb,the new models have changed to vm

[xrvr]

Interstates use MB engines and have forever, jim

[xrvr]

Ksch, so you are saying that at least two of us are wrong and the internet is correct. Do no believe everything you read, but you might want to listen to those who have the facts parked in their driveways. You know. Jim

[pappy19]

I just received the latest issue of Truck Trend and an article says that Ford's 6.7 diesel engine will be improved to 440 HP and 860 lb-ft for the 2015 pickups. That will be 55 hp and 10 lb-ft over the closest competition. The increase is due to a new single scroll, non-wastegated turbo, revised injectors, and engine management tuning. This new engine design will also replace the Cummins engine now used in F-650 and 750 HD trucks.

[SeeMore]

My post had two errors. The other - Fiat bought out GM's ownership share in VM Motori during the fourth quarter of 2013.

[HowieE]

Originally Posted by carl2591

take for instance the above thread explaining after "2 failures of the FSD on a 6.2L" etc.. so what is a FSD.. i wish folk would remember not everyone know every acronym thrown around. I read some of the diesel forum and heard about a HPOP not knowing what the hell that was till someone did high pressure oil pump (HPOP) and then it all clicked what they were talking about..

I am sorry for the use of acronyms. The odd thing is that I think I had replaced my first FSD, fuel solenoid driver, before I knew what it stood for. We have evolved to a point where abbreviations have surpassed the use of fully descriptive words.

Step into any new environment, be it technical or the social network and you are confronted with this. It is not done to confuse it is just a reflection of the current speed we are traveling.

[newroswell]

Originally Posted by slowmover

GM TD trucks are pretty much an RV'er thing. Those who earn a living using 1T trucks beyond their rated capacity have chosen DODGE for more than a decade

Red, you keep saying that, but the numbers say otherwise. Look at the companies that have large fleets, they do analysis of miles and tons of work vs cost and they buy Fords. There is a Cummins service truck in town and it's a gas F250. I'm going to eventually get a picture of that truck. Could have bought the RAM, but they didn't. (you guys know Dodge doesn't make trucks anymore right?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u559KzOUjL4

[r carl]

Another 6.7 Engine Failure - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum

[newroswell]

Yeah, you don't ever see anyone posting about a problem with a GM in the truck forums...

GM fixed that annoying catching fire problem right?

2015 GMC Yukon Catches Fire on Test Drive, GM Investigating - Truck Trend

[AnnArborBob]

Originally Posted by pappy19

I just received the latest issue of Truck Trend and an article says that Ford's 6.7 diesel engine will be improved to 440 HP and 860 lb-ft for the 2015 pickups. That will be 55 hp and 10 lb-ft over the closest competition. The increase is due to a new single scroll, non-wastegated turbo, revised injectors, and engine management tuning. This new engine design will also replace the Cummins engine now used in F-650 and 750 HD trucks.

Yup, that's the one I have in my driveway! the 2015 SuperDuty.

;-)

So far, so good. It pulls the AS like it wasn't there and we got the complete Cowboy Cadillac (Platinum Edition) so it feels like a limousine!

[RVDreamer]

Originally Posted by AnnArborBob

Yup, that's the one I have in my driveway! the 2015 SuperDuty.

;-)

So far, so good. It pulls the AS like it wasn't there and we got the complete Cowboy Cadillac (Platinum Edition) so it feels like a limousine!

Nice Truck!

I am sure you will really enjoy it. I have the 2013 Platinum F-250 and love it.

[carl2591]

Originally Posted by HowieE

I am sorry for the use of acronyms. The odd thing is that I think I had replaced my first FSD, fuel solenoid driver, before I knew what it stood for. We have evolved to a point where abbreviations have surpassed the use of fully descriptive words.

Step into any new environment, be it technical or the social network and you are confronted with this. It is not done to confuse it is just a reflection of the current speed we are traveling.

there we go "Fuel Solenoid Driver".. now what the hell does it do.. LOLOLOL...

happen to be on the PowerStroke Nation site and they have a cool feature. where there are acronym it is highlighted and you can put mouse on it and the full name will show up. nice feature for sure.

[J. Morgan]

The title of this thread should be changed to Diesel/Diesel as the gas people have been practically driven fron the thread...

That is all.

Lol

[r carl]

Originally Posted by newroswell

Yeah, you don't ever see anyone posting about a problem with a GM in the truck forums...

GM fixed that annoying catching fire problem right?

2015 GMC Yukon Catches Fire on Test Drive, GM Investigating - Truck Trend

The same Duramax has been in GM trucks since 2001. In that time period ford is on its 4th new engine.

[carl2591]

Originally Posted by J. Morgan

The title of this thread should be changed to Diesel/Diesel as the gas people have been practically driven fron the thread...

That is all.

Lol

seem that way right.. but i think the choice between diesel and gas is still a personal preference.

is diesel a better TV,, just bare facts tell the story and in towing, hauling a diesel is better for the most part.. you dont see many OTR tractors that run on gas. nuf said on that.

the overhead of diesel maintenance which is almost double a gasser is one concern for many, plus most guys-gals can do minor repairs to a gasser as that is what we have grown up with.

The guys that started on farms and the like, and had a lot of exposure to diesels are more comfortable messing with them and know the deal. Especially with water and fuel and water in fuel.

I know for me its still up in the air as to getting an older diesel ie 99-2003 7.3L or a GM durmax LTX ? motor or hold on for a newer 2010 5.7L tundra or chev or Ford f-250 with the 5.4L non three valve motor, so reading stuff like that and the other threads help shed a lot of light on the good and sometime the bad of gas or diesel.

it'll keep getting hashed over and over for a while, and, with all the new stuff coming to market will only get worse or different or more confusing..

[J. Morgan]

I have done three in frame overhauls on diesels, (one on an irrigation motor , one on a tractor, and one in a medium duty class 7 truck, and I would rater do one as to try and keep a 6.0 Ford running....

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