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Old 07-24-2020, 12:44 PM   #1
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Ford F-250 Memo, and Covid Camping

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I recently upgraded my 2002 Dodge 2500 Long-Bed Cummins TV and went for the 2020 Ford F-250 Lariat 4WD, in white.

My spouse took three weeks off from work as there had been Covid infections there, and she wanted a break, and I decided to pull the plug on staying home working also, so we just took our Globetrotter 27 and completed a very pleasant and relaxing 13 day loop into Northwestern CA staying on the Klamath River for the final five nights...we started at Bodega Bay, stopped at the Gualala river and continued to Benbow KOA in the Redwoods before arriving at Klamath.

Camping activity is high, it seems people are opting for RV camping over international holiday flights, which they cannot do... although we were able to make reservations just a week in advance, the campsites are busy and trailers and RV's fill the highways in CA. Most people are masking up and social distancing but we also saw huge groups of families in formation with others where they were around the campfires and playing and no masking or social distancing.

What I found, along with my obsession with my new truck, and fascination with how effective the new Ford towing "System" that I have just acquired, is that Airstream owners seem to be electing the Ford F-250 as their selected tow vehicle in almost unanimous numbers. Additionally, there were so many new-model Ford F-250's in campsites we visited on this trip that I took photos repeatedly of them in clusters, often in White like mine. Is anyone else finding this surge in Ford truck popularity?

The new Ford has twice the horsepower, twice the torgue, and almost double the MPG of my older Dodge Ram; and is quiet and clean to the point you cannot tell it is a diesel. My Ford is capable of precision lane placement which counts on Route 1 "Pacific Coast Highway" that has 1" shoulders and very narrow lanes in switchbacks going through mountanous terrain. Plus,gone are the long slow pulls up 8% grades, I can go as fast as I want when I want, with the new Ford. So, that's 18 years of technological progress. And all the people I talked to about the new Fords had done tons of research and made this selection. It's 40th vehicle and my first Ford.
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Old 07-24-2020, 02:20 PM   #2
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Old 07-24-2020, 04:49 PM   #3
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Ford pickups have been the best selling vehicle in the US for decades.

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Old 07-25-2020, 08:52 AM   #4
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and almost double the MPG of my older Dodge Ram;
That a pretty impressive improvement. twice the hp, twice the torque, twice the mpg. What was the mpg on the old Dodge and what's the mpg on the new Ford?
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That a pretty impressive improvement. twice the hp, twice the torque, twice the mpg. What was the mpg on the old Dodge and what's the mpg on the new Ford?
Tundra man here but Im also curious about MPG...... same here in Canada everyone is camping/RVing this summer !!!
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Old 07-25-2020, 09:46 AM   #6
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I drive a 2016 F250 power stroke
Am considering a trade at the end of the year. What fuel mileage are you seeing towing and not towing?
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Old 07-25-2020, 10:05 AM   #7
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I drive a 2016 F250 power stroke
Am considering a trade at the end of the year. What fuel mileage are you seeing towing and not towing?
I have about 6000 miles on mine, around 19 MPG when not towing, and avg 13 MPG towing (25’ 2020 GT FBT) , even through high mountains. Loved zooming over the 9000’ pass in the Bighorns.


I put an ARE cap on it, which may help the MPG a tad from what I have heard. Also, over my salesman’s objection, Race Red
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Fuel MPG etc

With our 2019 f-250 6 speed towing a 25 ft Airstream at 65-68 mph 13-14.8 mpg flat. 70 + it stats to drop. In the hills economy still hangs in there at 12.9-13. Without towing 18-21 depending on my foot winds etc. I use Amsoil synthetic fluids in engine, transmission and axles.

Fuel quality makes a big difference for us. Shell, BP or Mobile immediate + difference in MPG my worst MPG and most diesel knock and ping is with the truck stop fuels. Pilot Flying J and Loves. ( Yes they are easy on and off and I use them but hate the fuel) These results are from flat land Florida North and up through TN Kentucky to upstate NY East Coast.

We are starting a month trip from the Mother ship in Jackson to Vegas. I've heard from the AS forum the bio diesel mix out west will kill the mpg.

My Ford service diesel tech recommended for towing this trip I switch from 10W-30 to 5W-40 as per the oil fill cap warning. This is for high ambient heat and bio diesel blended fuel that contaminates any oil. He also recommended the use of any Ford recommended Diesel fuel treatment religiously for injector protection will not void warranty. I stocked up on two cases for the trip.

The EGR recirculation of exhaust produces black nasty soot contamination. It is gross in these new emission diesels. It contaminates oil within 200 miles. Diesel guys deal with it, old gas guys like me hate it.


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The new F250 diesel Ford trucks are great! But $75K?
Is that what people are paying?
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We are starting a month trip from the Mother ship in Jackson to Vegas. I've heard from the AS forum the bio diesel mix out west will kill the mpg.

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I can't speak for other states but here in AZ it is not difficult to find either 5% biodiesel or even 0% biodiesel. I have 2 diesels but only one is SCR and I have been using Chevron right by the house with 0% bio in it.
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Old 07-25-2020, 11:40 AM   #11
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Thank you for providing this great story about campers response to this virus experience. Camping is always better than going to work or staying cooped up in a house! I am glad you have been meeting the same type of great folks that we met during our GA-CO-GA trip!

My AS Club’s Park, the Top of Georgia AS park, near Helen, GA, is having the best year for occupancy in recent memory with lots of great camaraderie! We are headed up there to host for two weeks in August, hope to see some of you folks there!

NOTE diesel vs gas:
Diesel towing is ALWAYS better than gas Engines on MPG and maintaining speed up/down mountains is not news. Better mileage = increased range, not any cost savings (Purchase price, maintenance, DEF, and higher cost of a gl of diesel in most areas). For example 14MPG with 34 gl tank in F250 with 6 & 3/4 foot bed = 476 mile range. Note that some F250 diesels with 4x4, have less than 2,000 lb payloads.

For the non-diesel folks - We graduated from an ‘09 F150 1400 lbs to a ‘19 F250 gas, 3500 lbs of payload and love it. We slow down going up/down mountains during that 1% of my towing experience and get around 10/11 MPG when towing in Colorado or Florida = 340 mile range.
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Old 07-25-2020, 11:40 AM   #12
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I traded in my 1991 F150 with green/cream 2 tone and a bright light button in the floor (bought new in 1990) on my 2018 F 250 6.7 Diesel Limited in Red. 27 years of technology jump. Not to mention all the towing power. After 27 years, I was just getting used to my old truck. 6 more payments and that baby would have been mine.
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Old 07-25-2020, 07:07 PM   #13
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I really enjoy and appreciate my 2018 F-250, especially after previously towing with our Ford Expedition. My only complaint is that the chrome running boards have started to bubble and rust and the rear door shows some rust bubbles. Minnesota winters even with us out of state for most of it seems to be taking an unusual toll on it. Plus, it will not fit in our downsized home's garage so parking in the driveway all year is also a factor.
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Kitcat7 - You ask for the MSRP of a new Super Duty pickup truck. When shopping for our F250, we could not find any color combination we wanted, nor a 4x2. So we went to Ford.com and "built" our ride, took this order to the dealer with the highest reduction in MSRP and went to their computer and entered our order. Recommend you check Ford.com and "build" your ride to determine MSRP. With the diesel engine adding over $10,000 to the sticker, it is easy to get to and surpass $71,000 in the higher trim levels, King Ranch, Limited, Platinum. $80,000+ can be found on some of these vehicles.

SELL PRICE is usually a reduction from MSRP. Check CarGurus.com and add a filter for nationwide and it will provide a lot of examples of how far off the MSRP you should expect to pay for a new truck. We rec'd 12% off on our F250 with a lifetime warranty on the driveline.

When checking prices on F150's, we found reductions of up to $15,000. IF the MSRP is $50,000, the sell price would be about $35,000.

Another option to buying new - Perhaps CPO or "gently used" super duties are the best option for a more affordable truck? I know Dave Ramsey a financial adviser always suggests going this route, since depreciation will have a major impact on the value of a vehicle.

Not sure the last time you "priced" new pickups and SUV's, but check the pricing on Suburbans, Expeditions, etc. and you will probably experience "sticker shock"! I know we did. With some grandchildren to include in our AS adventures, an SUV sounded great, until we checked out an Expedition XLT, with an MSRP that exceeded $50K and would be payload restricted for our camping plans!
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Old 07-27-2020, 02:34 PM   #16
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MPG on trucks- real life data is less impressive

I apologize for my bombastic claims for doubling MPG. Perhaps that was wishful thinking.

The facts are thus:

My 2002 Dodge was 12-15 MPG and my new Ford F-250 promised as high as 20 MPG (online feedback not government sanctioned data) so it was "close" to double, but in real life I don't know yet because most of my miles were trailering a 27 Globetrotter.

I'll report back once I get some balanced mileage but it reads 13.5 MPG since new, and I've got 2500 miles on the truck.

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Old 08-02-2020, 12:35 PM   #17
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I apologize for my bombastic claims for doubling MPG. Perhaps that was wishful thinking.

The facts are thus:

My 2002 Dodge was 12-15 MPG and my new Ford F-250 promised as high as 20 MPG (online feedback not government sanctioned data) so it was "close" to double, but in real life I don't know yet because most of my miles were trailering a 27 Globetrotter.

I'll report back once I get some balanced mileage but it reads 13.5 MPG since new, and I've got 2500 miles on the truck.

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I up graded from an 03 Dodge Cummins 2500 Crew Cab Long Bed to a 2018 Ram 2500 Mega Cab a couple of years ago. The 03 got 17-18 mpg empty and 12-13 towing 30’ FC . The new truck is getting very similar mileage as the 03 empty and towing but has twice the torque as you say. Your first post made me think there was something seriously wrong with your Cummins or your getting 24-30 mpg towing with the new one. Thanks for clarifying.
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Old 08-02-2020, 04:10 PM   #18
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I have a 2029 F250 4x4, crew cab, 10 speed transmission, 3.31 rear end. Without tow vehicle and 70 MPH, I get 24 MPG plus. Towing Classic 30 RB (10,000 Gross) I get 14 MPG plus. Tows great across the full range of performance. Had two Duramax before and while good trucks the ford outshines
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When I bought my 1st Ford diesel (‘99 F250), diesel was $0.10 below regular. Trailer Life predicted about 80K miles to pay for the engine upgrade. Then can $5/gal gas prices and diesel became $0.10 above premium.
My ‘08 F450 only got another 7mpg towing! Furthermore it only allowed 5% biodiesel. A trip through IA & IL, finding anything less than 15% biodiesel was difficult. Ford’s response was, “Sorry ‘bout that. Tell the government.”
I replaced the F450 with an ‘18 F150 with the 3.? ltr ecoboot engine; more hot & more torque than either the 5ltr V8 or the 6.? Ltr diesel. Overall 16+mpg on 30k miles.
About to replace it with an F250 gas; I need more cargo capacity to carry my scooter.
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The new F250 diesel Ford trucks are great! But $75K?
Is that what people are paying?
We ordered our 2019 F250 Lariat diesel in August 2019 and picked it up in October. We paid much less than the trucks various dealerships had on their lots. Plus, the dealer itself marked it off the MSRP a very considerable amount so we were just over 60K when it was all said and done. Search for a dealer too. We ended up using one out of state about 4+ hour drive away because they were what I call, a "no bicker sticker" kind of dealership.

Seems most F250's on lots are decked out with options driving the price up. We cherry picked our options. 2 big $$$ savers: I didn't want, or feel a need, to have 4WD so we got a 4x2 which sits lower and has less stuff to go wrong. Another example is we ordered the Lariat Value package vs the Lariat Ultimate(?) package which saved us about $2,500. Most other options were function related except we did get the chrome package, primarily because it includes a non-retracting running board and the wheels I wanted as well. Other stuff: BLSS, trailer camera system, up fitter switches, wheel well liners and mud flaps for all four wheels, spray-in bed liner, garage door opener, and a biggie at this stage of life: the tailgate retractable step. A must have!

We get 19-20 on the SE USA highways @75 mph and no towing. In town it's been 14 mpg. 13K+ miles at the moment and have not yet towed...we still need to get our AS. Very comfortable inside and much quieter than I expected.

Happy travels!!
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