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Old 04-25-2011, 01:10 PM   #521
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The rim

Huh The Mogollon Rim- Arizona's mighty back bone drew its name after a Spanish Governor of the region in the 16th century.
Visitors to the rim country can move easily between three of the Nation's largest,most scenic and most varied National Forests,the Tonto,the Coconino and the Apache-Sitgreaves.
The three forests meet here to form a woodland area the size of Massachusetts.
The forest have a network of dirt roads and trails that includes one of the most scenic the 42 miles on the old historic Forest Road 300 ( the Rim Road) between highway 87 north of Payson and highway 260.
The road hugs the edge of the cliffs of the Mogollon Rim,with frequent scenic turnouts.The road follows the historic wagon road General George Crook built to shuttle supplies between Fort Whipple in the Verde Valley and Fort Apache in the White Mountains during his long war with the Apaches.
Photo 1 Rim road at my campground.
Photo 2 1 of the scenic turnouts 1 mile East of my campground.
Photo 3 Part of the Rim tail system this on goes to my campground along the rim
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Old 04-25-2011, 01:16 PM   #522
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Had to make two postings for this.See post 521 above
Well today a better day than yesterday.It is sunny about 60+ and NO wind so far.
No one in the campground today.Looks like no folks till the weekend.
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Gen crook trail

Well a nice day here now,BUT last night it got down to about 28F,BUT should get into the low 60s today.Still no campers here and most of the others campgrounds have none also.
The Rim Road is part of the old Crook trail named after General George Crook who was the Commander of the Military Department of Arizona in 1871.He was in charge of subduing the Apache indians and confining them to the reservtions.
The trail was built in 1872 to connect Fort Whipple (located at what is now Camp Verde) the Arizona Military Headqarters to Fort Apache on the Apache reservation.Supplies and troop were moved to Fort Apache on this trail and for 22 years was used as a route to patrol the northern boundary of the Apache Reservation.
(Photo 1) How the trail looks to day near the Mogollon Campground.
(Photo 2) Looking down the trail that the Forest Service call trail 140.
( Photo 3) The General.
( Photo 4 & 5 trail info.
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Alone

Well if you ever dreamed of being in the woods alone this would be the place.It has been 6 day now that I have been alone.The nearest folks to me are 1 1/2 miles to the West and 1 Mile to the East.Nothing North or South for miles.Sure is nice.It was so nice today it got up to 65F.
Well here is the last of the lay of the land.After this we will get to what I hope is the good stuff about the wiled west around here.
The Tonto Basin home of the Plesant Valley War covers the main drainage of Tonto Creek and it's tributaries. Tonto Basin is mostly north-south trending and outflows into the Salt River at Roosevelt Lake.Arizona Route 188 between Route 87 east to Globe at Roseevelt lake is the south end.The Mazatzals mountains and State Route 87 mark the west side up to the bottom of the rim.The north boundery is the bottom of the rim running east from Payson past Christopher Creek.The east border being east of route 288 the Young road at the Siera Ancha mountains,Just west of the Fort Apache Indian Reservation.Some areas that we will talk about later in the Tonto Basin are the Hellsgate area,Plesant Valley and the community of Young.
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Photos are looking south off the rim into the Tonto Basin.The mountain as far as you can see in the photos are the south end of the basin
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Pleasant Valley War

Well this is going to be done like your old Saturday western movies serials.
Like much of the history of things that happend in the west some times there are more than one set of facts to a store.
This is PART 1 of the Pleasant Valley War that stared in 1882 in the Tonto Basin.

Pleasant Valley was home to the west's most deadly range wars,it lasted over fifteen years.Of all the feuds that have taken place in American history the Pleasant Valley war was the most costly.It resulted in an almost complete annihilation of the two families involved the sheep-herding Tewksbury's and the cattle-herding Grahams.Certainly 30 dead,possibly as many as 50.
Heavily armed cattle men,including the tough cowboys from the Hash Knife Cattle Comp.of Texas glared at one another across the intangible line for over fifteen months before the fighting actually started.
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Part 2

Well it was a cold night last night down again to about 27F.Had no camper here.Most of the campers we get here are tent campers and it is still cool for them.The high today MAY make 60F.Wind from the north at 17 MPH
Here is part 2 of the Pleasant Valley War
In February 1887 a herd of sheep,driven over the Mogollon Rim under the protection of the Tewksburies,was stopped and turned back by cattlemen and cowboys,led by Tom Graham.The lead herder,a Navaho,was ambushed shot, killed then beheaded and buried where he fell.The site of his grave has been marked and can be seen near Young.
In September 1887 another grisly incident occurred which has been the basis of many stories about the feud and which sparked a deadly chain of events.The Graham fraction surrounded the Tewksbury cabin in the early morning hours and coolly shot down John Tewksbury and William Jacobs as they started out for horses.
The Grahams continued firing at the cabin for hours,with fire returned from in side.As the battle went on,a drove of hogs began devouring the bodies of Tewksbury and Jacobs. John Tewksbury's wife came out of the cabin with a shovel.The firing stopped while she scooped out shallow graves for her husband and his companion.The firing on both sides resumed once she was back inside.No further deaths occurred that day and after a few hours the Grahams rode off.
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Owens-Blevins shootout

Part 3 of the Pleasant Valley War.
A few days later Andy Blevins,one of the leaders of the Graham faction was overhead in a store in Holbrook bragging that he had shot and killed both John Tewksbury and William Jacobs.Sheriff Commodore Perry Owens a noted gunman had a warrant for Blevins arrest.Owens rode alone out to the Blevins house near Holbrook to arrrest him.
Twelve member of the Blevins family were there at the house.Owens stated that he had an warrant for Andy and asked him to come out.Blevins refused.His half-brother John then came out the front door and fired a shot at Owens with a rifle.Owens returned fire wounding John and killing Andy.A friend of the family named Robert who was in a back room jumped through a window at the side of the house.Owens hearing the noise ran to the side of the house and fired on the man killing him.At that moment 15 year old Sam Blevins ran outside with a pistol he had picked up off the floor next to the body of his brother Andy.With his mothers arm around him trying to hold him back,Owens shot and killed him as the boy fired at Owens.The whole incident took less than one minute,but left three dead and one wounded.
In September 1887 Sheriff Mulvernon of Prescott led a posse that pursued and killed John Graham and Charles Blevins during a shootout at Perkins store in Young.
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Good day

Well another good day.Looks like we should get into the upper 60s today.It just got down to about 32 last night.The rest of the week looks like it will be in the 70s with the lows in the 40s.
Part 4 of the Pleasant Valley war.A local cattleman,Fred Wells had borrowed a lot of money in Globe to build his cattle herd.The Wells clan had no stake in the war,but his creditors did.Wells was told to join their forces in driving off the opposition or forfeit his own stock.When Wells refused his creditors demanded immediate payment and sent two deputies to attach his cattle.Wells gatherd his clan and cattle together along with a young range hand named Fred Russell Burnham who Wells had trained in shooting and began driving his herd into the mountains hotly pursued by the deputies.
The deputies forced the girls and the mother to stop that set the dogs barking Burnham and John Wells rushed back.Just when they got there one of the dogs bit a deputy as he was dismounting.The deputy drew and shot the dog,which then caused Burnham,John and two girls to drew their guns.The dismounted deputy then fell dead,shot from long distance by Fred Wells, the other deputy raised his hands.The clan continued into the mountains with the captured deputy and then released him to return to Globe.
In Globe a meeting was held to discuss the elimination of Fred and John Wells and that unknown gunman carrying a Remington six-shooter,that is Burnham.Private posses were raided for raiding the opposition.Killing and counter killings became a weekly occurrence.
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Good day

Well it was a grate day today.Sunny no wind and 67 F
Photos of us in the host camp site.Photo 4 & 5 looking from my EZ chair.
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Burnham escapes

Part 5 of the Pleasant Valley War:
For Burnham it became apparent that he had the worst of two worlds.His fraction was losing and every man he killed created a new feud a personal one,not winner takes all BUT winner take on all.Only 19 years old and facing a grim future as a nameless gun fighter whose only crime had been to stand with his friends the Wells.
On the way to Globe he was nearly killed by George Dixon a well known bounty hunter and cattle rustler who found Burnham in a cave.Dixon held a Colt 45 to Burnham's head and was ordering him outside when someone outside the cave shot and killed Dixon.A White Mountain Apache Indian nicknamed Coyotero had been tracking Dixon and he shot the bounty hunter through the hart just as he was capturing Burnham.Burnham grabbed his Remington moved behind a ledge and shot Coyotero dead.
Once in Globe Burnham contacted his friend the Silver Belt editor and hid in his house.With this man's help Burnham assumed several aliases and made the difficult journey out of the Tonto Basin.He eventually made his way to Tombstone and stayed with friends of the Silver Belt editor.
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Pioneers seldom died of old age.

Part 6 of the Pleasant Valley War.
On State Highway 260 and FR 300 is the visitors center for the Apache Sitgreaves National Forest on Fulton Point.Nearby is the grave of Al Fulton and recounting his death. This is one of the little knowen sagas of the Rim Country history.
A few minute walk from the visitors center brings you to sign that reads "Al Fulton graveside 600 feet". Al in his early twenties was herding a new herd of sheep from Texas. Getting as far as Holbrook they were caught up in the the Pleasant Valley war.Another version says the year was 1888 when Al and his brother Harry unloaded sheep from the Santa Fe Railroad at Magdalena,New Mexico Territory and headed west for grazing south of Flagstaff.This shows how hard it is to filter out the facts in history.
Whether Fulton was herding sheep for Woods or for Harry he was aiming to take the herd over the Rim to lower winter pasture when he crossed the cattle range of Wilford Scarlet.Scarlet's cowboys chased Al and the sheep,stampeding them toward the sinkhole beside todays 260.Again there are two versions of how Al died.In one satory he tried to herd the sheep around the sinkhole,fell and was trampled to death.The second story more likely is that the cattlemen shot him.Al Fulton was buried perhaps by Parker and Padia at the place now called Fultons Point.
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Hanged the wrong men

Some times out west they hanged the wrong men.
One famous Arizona pioneer grave site is the Scott,Stott and Wilson site.They were hanged during the Pleasant Valley War. About a quarter mile off the Rim road up hangmans trail is their cemetery.The story is a muddied one.In a clearing lie three graves side by side,simple stone markers commemorate the grisly event of Aug.12 1888 when three young cowboys were hanged.Their innocence is not as certain as that might imply.It does not seem likely that Jame Stott was actually a horse thief.One of the horses had a brand that was easy to confuse with others and someone stole that horse from Stott.Believing he know who stole it Scott and his friend Tom Tucker rode to Tonto Basin to recover the horse.It was a month later when deputy sheriff James Houck arrested Stott and Tucker on a charge of horse thieving.
Houck was deeply involved in the Pleasant Valley War a Tewksbury partisant who had already killed Tom Graham and others.He saw Stott as a Graham partisan and trumped up a horse stealing charge to arrest the cowboys.A Globe JP ruled that there was not enough evidence and released the men.For someone of Houck's violent temperament this was enough to put Stott on on his black list.he publicaly boastest he would run his sheep on Stott's cattle ranch one day.
Another cowboy Houck had a grudge with was Jimmy Scott.Like Stott Scott had stood up to Houck.The stage was set for a showdown.
On Aug.5 1888 three men ambushed and shot at Jack Lauffer the original owner of James Stott's stolen horse.Houck seized on this to accuse Stott,Scott and Wilson.On Aug.12 Houck and two others rode to Stott's cabin and claimed they had a warrant for his arrest,though they could not produce it.Hard on Houck's trail were 20 other armed men who arrived on the scene with Scott as their prisoner.
The riders then took Stott,Scott and Wilson as prisoners about 20 miles along the old Crook trail to its junction with the trail to Pleasant Valley.There they lynched the three men,hanging them from a large pine tree.Alfred Ingram who lved in a cabin near Scott's made his way 60 miles to Holbrook to report the abduction.That same day Aug.13 Houck rode into Holbrook to broadcast the lie that while he had arrested Stott and Wilson at Aztec Spring,40 armed men had taken them from him at gunpoint.
It was Aug 15th when a posse drove a wagon from Holbrook to the site of the hanging
Nov. 2008 Lee Hanchett jr researched the cemetery containing the three headstones verifide Scott's remains are under the headstone marked Scott,Wilson is actually under the headstone marked Stott and there is no one under Wilson headstone.What happend to the grave of James Stott?Extensive reseach led to Stott canyon approx.3/4 mile west there in the fallen timber the lone grave of James Stott was found ,only a pile of rocks outline the grave.At this time no logical explanation as to why Stott was buried in a separate grave.
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The end

THE END OF THE PLEASANT VALLEY WAR.
In 1892 Tom Graham the last of the Graham faction involved in the Pleasant Valley war was murderded in Tempe.Edwin Tewksbury the last of that faction in the fued was accused of the murder.Defended by well-known Arizona attorney Thomas Fitch the first triall ended in a mistrial due to a legal technicality.The jury in the second trial dead-locked seven to five for acquittal.Edwin Tewksbury died in Globe in April 1904.By the time of his release none of the Grahams remained to retaliate against him,nor was there anyone on the Tewksbury side to have avenged his death had anyone killed him.
Photos of Pleasant Valley near Young in the Tonto Basin.

THE PLEASANT VALLEY WAR MADE A ORDINARY FIGHT LOOK LIKE A PRAYER MEETIN.
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for me I will be off line for a few days.My computer is giving me hell and going to the shop.
But I guess that good luck for you folks since I will not be posting.
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Back?

Back with a use computer that was given to me.
It as been slow the last 2 weeks, we had a host lunch and 4 hour meeting a while back to get us back into being nice to folks.
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Leo the lion crashes in tonto basin

MGM's Leo the lion attempts to fly coast to coast.Crashes in Hells Gate wilderness in the Tonto Basin.Lives to roar again,thanks to the cowboys that rescued him.
Gruff,cigar chomping movie mogul Louis B Mayer was complaining that things were slow at MGM in 1927.American's passion for movies was being overtaken by flying.Charles Lindbergh had popularized it with his nonstop Atlantic flight.So let's fly Leo coast to coast nonstop was suggested by MGM's publicity director.
So 350 pound Leo was placed in a 400 pound steel and glass cage inside of a Ryan Brougham monoplane.Barnstormer pilot Martin Jensen at the controls and the 220 horse power engine revved the plane wobbled off an airstrip near San Diego on 16 Sept. 1927.Jensen refueled at Phoenix and negotiated the pass in the Mazatzal Mountains.BUT near the narrowing end of Hells Gate Canyon,he realized no way did he have the power to climb over the Mogollon Rim ahead.So 15 miles east of Payson,with no room to turn around he stalled the plane into a grove of Oak trees.Jensen got a cut over his eye.Leo and the cage where unhurt and in intact.
Jensen walked almost three days southwest down Tonto Creek before running into George Booth near Gisela.When word got out about the rescue of Leo the nation's full attention was focused on Leo.
People and equipment was mustered at Kohl's Ranch before trucking into Bear Flat.A 15 man party of mostly cowboys went by horseback to the crash site.There they found Leo hungry and thirsty but strong enough to be moved.He and his cage where loaded onto a makeshift travois and with a skittish team of mules dragged the travois 12 miles to the road at Bear Flat where Leo and the cage where loaded onto a truck and driven to Payson.Leo went home but he never flew again.
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Got snow?

We do,about 2" fell last night.
The weather has not been the best this May.We have had a lot of wind this year.
But the weather man said it going to get better next week,SURE when are they right.
Todays short tail:Just a few miles west of us on the Rim Road is the grave of G D Bantz.His story is on the 6th of Oct 1895 Bantz who was a trapper was going down to the Tonto Basin with his pack burros and to move them along,he would punch them with the butt of his shotgun while he held the muzzleNOT a good idea.The gun went BANG hitting him in the stomach.The burros made their way down the trail and were found below the Rim by a cowboy named Louis Pyle.He came back up the trail found Bantz body and buried him in a raised grave because of the rocky ground.
Now ain't that's the cowboy way.
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Hi Jimmini;

We've had nothing but rain since getting home. Haven't been able to do much more than cut and clear trees. Blackflies are out and once they're done the deer flies arrive. By then the mosquitoes don't seem so bad. Even with all the complaints, we are glad to be home.
Hope you have lots of propane. Stay warm.
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