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Old 11-07-2006, 09:16 AM   #1
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Question Best MODEL YEAR F250 PS TD?

Okay, I have seen TONS of opinions on Ford vs Dodge vs Chevy-GMC. This question is for you FORD guys/gals out there in "Trailer Tow Land" - Which used MODEL YEAR F250 Power Stroke Turbo Diesel is the best one to have and why? I'm looking at a late model 2000-2006 pickup for purchase. I've been doing some research at NHTSA web site for recall and defect info and I have a year in mind, but I don't want to reveal until I hear from the more experienced diesel drivers out there to either confirm my suspicions or refute them. I will be pulling a 1996 25' Excella. My preference is a crew cab.
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Old 11-07-2006, 09:41 AM   #2
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My experience is with the one I own.

2002 F250 Lariat 7.3 litre, Crew Cab (4 door), short bed, 4X4

A very good truck.
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Old 11-07-2006, 09:48 AM   #3
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if it has the blue oval on it buy it an dont worry about it
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I drive a Dodge diesel, but my friend had a 98 F250 diesel and it was a great truck. He traded for a 2003 F350 with the 6.0 diesel and has not been happy with the engine. It has been to the dealer many times for reflash . I would go for the latest model.
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In reading some of the diesel sites...they generally speak well of the 7.3...but some (many?) have had "issues" with the 6.0. Some seem to think the issues with the 6.0 have been "fixed"...most (all?) seem to like the older 7.3.

Does anyone know the last year of the 7.3?

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Old 11-07-2006, 11:09 AM   #6
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In reading some of the diesel sites...they generally speak well of the 7.3...but some (many?) have had "issues" with the 6.0. Some seem to think the issues with the 6.0 have been "fixed"...most (all?) seem to like the older 7.3.

Does anyone know the last year of the 7.3?

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Believe 2003 was the last year of the 7.3, IIRC it was actually a split year, some of the earlier trucks were 7.3 and the later ones the 6.0. You also have first and second generation 7.3PSD as well as normally aspirated 7.3. IIRC(again) the split on the 7.3NA and the 7.3PSD was 1994, with the split between first and second generation coming in around the 1998 model year. Here is the best page I have found on information for the PSD. It is good solid information without the normal hype.

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Go with the late 2006 6.0L PSD. I have 8500 miles on mine and I love it. There were problems early on with this engine but they were pretty much fixed.
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The endless diesel debate continues.......

I have a 2005 F 250 PSD CC... about 18,000 miles. 3500 miles towing this year... great rig. love it. Have not experienced any of the "problems" reported on the earlier models of the PSD.

In the end I'd encourge you to buy what you like.
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Old 11-07-2006, 02:08 PM   #9
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I'm looking at a 2003 F250. As far as I can tell, that year has had a minimum of recalls, tsbs, defect reports, etc... Whatever it takes to make you feel good inside and allows you to sleep at night.
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Get a 7.3 NOT the 6.0 there has been to much info out there on the 6.0 issues.

Or wait for the new 6.4's
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The guys at the Powerstroke Forums call that engine the sicko ( 6.0) and local mechanics told me they were harder to service. However I understand from owners I talked to they personallly had not experienced trouble with it.
If you are pulling a 25 you could go dare I say it....1/2 ton gas powered.
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The 2002 we have Although there were some like it in late-2001 (with suspension upgrades and more importantly the fuel filler that can take the large diameter, high-speed 18-wheeler fuel nozzles) and some in early-2003 (before the 6.0L). I can't see how the data shows 2003 was the best year. That's when they had all the teething pains with the new engine.
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Old 11-07-2006, 08:14 PM   #13
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Hi RoadKingMoe! Haven't "seen" you in a while. FWIW you can get replacement fillers that will take the big nozzles from somebody like Transfer Flow. Not that having them come stock is a bad thing

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I'm looking at a 2003 F250. As far as I can tell, that year has had a minimum of recalls, tsbs, defect reports, etc... Whatever it takes to make you feel good inside and allows you to sleep at night.
2003 7.3L PSTD (automatic) / Lariat / Crew Cab / Long Bed

I have owned mine for 2 years. Purchased used w/37k miles. So far it has been flawless.

See comments regarding 6.0L in the following link:

http://www.gooddiesels.com/UEQUAL.HTM
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As far as "bad" years, the '97-99 had some automatic transmission problems, but nothing of consequence for the engine. When they get over 300,000 miles, they may develop a head gasket coolant leak on the right bank at the rear of the engine. This can be avoided, or at least delayed a long time, by idling the engine for a couple of minutes after driving, before shutdown, keeps things from expanding and stretching the head bolts. But is anybody going to run their PSD over 300K towing?
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hi streamer1

there is more to the truck than just the diesel right?

and what about the cost of new vs used?

2002 the last year of the 7.3 would be a fine truck.
if the cps has been changed the truck should perform for many many miles.
of course the warranty is gone and 6 years of proper service records is important...

the bugs seem to be gone in the 6.0 liters from 05 and 06.

these trucks also have improved steering and a much tighter turning circle.

05/06 also has the built in brake controllers, and HIGHER towing capacity.

also bigger, better brakes on the 05/06s.

i've got 30k+ miles towing on the 05 without issues. one recall and one leaky glow plug.

a plus for the later models is 100k power train warranty and on 06s 100k basic warranty i think...

should be some great deals on 06s still on the lot....lots of 'em too.

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My experience is Excursion related, but basically the same thing. I've had two Excursions, a 2001 with the 7.3 liter and our current 2004 with the 6 liter engine, currently with close to 70,000 miles and about to add another 5,000 in the next few weeks.

While I did have an issue with the 6 liter engine (about 400 miles into it), it has worked flawlessly since. Given the choice, I'd take the 6 liter - it is every bit as powerful (I'm towing 10,000 pounds with our 34' w/SO), and it is quieter than the 7.3 liter engine.

In addition, at least in my 2004, Ford added the towing button on the shift stick that makes traveling SO much nicer and safer - particularly on grades, as it downshifts automatically and thus reduces some braking.

The one complaint I have, and I understand it was improved in later models, is the steering radius. On our 2004 Excursion (also our 2001) every parking job is a three point turn, which is interesting because the Expedition has a remarkably good steering radius. Anyway, I think this may have been improved in 2005 and later models.

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I'd echo BeBop and 2air comments on the preference for '05 '06 on the PSD. IMO the used value difference between the '03 to '05 is moderate compared to the gains you will receive in the '05 and up

brake controller- great feature
larger brakes- not much to say here
turning radius- huge advantage. CC u-turn with Short bed.. 2-2.25 lanes..
back up sensors- if you live in the urban jungle this is a must! It also has benefits when hitching.

I bought my '05 last July....until now, every vehicle I've ever purchased has been slightly used and still under mfg. warranty. Vehicles take a pretty good depreciation hit rolling off the lot. But trucks particularly diesel trucks hold their value. So I looked at the features that I really wanted because the price difference between a 03 and 05 is negligible when spread out over time if you buy and hold, like many diesel truck owners do. Before you buy, drive several and compare the features and buy what you really want.
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Old 11-07-2006, 11:06 PM   #19
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One more vote for the 05 and 06 F250 PSD for the reasons previously stated in earlier posts. I prefer the long bed because of the additional 1 1/2 feet and the larger fuel tank (38 gallon in the long bed vs 29 gallon in the short bed). The front end suspension on these later Super Duties are huge improvements. I think 2air is right about the great deals out there on the remaining 06s.

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I own a 97 and a 01 f250 7.3L I believe they are the best. I prefer stick shift when towing but I Tow car trailers and agricultural equipment on a freguent basis. I think the 96 and 97 models are the most simple and best, but lack allot in ride quality and availabilty and lack of intercooler.

The 99 year model used a smaller turbo which I do not see well suited for a intercooled truck so I would avoid it.

The 01 and later were the first with the higher cc injectors and correct programing which I think works best in the 7.3 motor.

I think if I had to go with a 6.0 it would have to be a 05 or 06. Lot of problems with earlier models in towing situations.

I think any one towing should have a Exhaust Gas Temperature gauge you need to let the oil in the turbo cool to under 275 or so before turning of the motor. After running full tilt on the interstate it may take ten ten fifteeen minutes. Also owners need to add a cavitation additive to the coolant on a regular basis you can check this with ph strips. Like a previous post I think everyone should care a spare CPS Cam position sensor they are notorious for going out.

The Ford truck enthusiast website is a great resource for information if you want to know more.

Just as a side note to the overlander63. My first 7.3 powerstroke in a 96 model had 465,000 miles before we retired it and it was far from worn out. The 97 I have now has 190,000 miles and is highly modified, and the 01 is at 160,000 with no repaires other than CPS. The majority of these miles were all hooked to a trailer of some kind.

I would be best to search about a proper breakin on diesels if bought new. Most aren't considered broke it until around 25,000 miles.
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