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Old 08-10-2020, 05:37 PM   #41
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We are in the AS Market ourselves but are planning on waiting for Market Conditions to normalize. "You don't buy a Convertible Sports Car at the beginning of Spring, you buy it in the off season!" Additionally, you will not only pay a premium price, but the availability of the Model/Floor plan/Color Scheme will be limited causing you to likey settle for your second choice.
All good points if you have time,


or you could over pay (or pay top dollar) a bit now and use it for 18 months, the extra amount spread over 18 months may be even money.
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Old 08-11-2020, 05:52 AM   #42
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Here the reality, in normal circumstances. These figures off the internet,
1. 30% depreciation as soon has you drive it off the lot.
2. 10% more the first year and 6% each year after that. .
Example AS purchase price $100,000.00 (MSRP- normally discounted 10+%), off the lot it worth $70,000.00, after first year $63,000.00, after another year its worth $59,000.00 and so on. If you look at Used AS on the forum, these figures are in the "BallPark". I suspect these figures maybe higher next year because of a surge in used AS after the dust settles from the virus.
In our situation, we are interested in either a Caravell 22FB or a Globetrotter 23FB Twin, both of these were new models in 2020. This means that there aren't many used trailers in the marketplace, which is okay.
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Old 08-11-2020, 06:14 AM   #43
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We are in the AS Market ourselves but are planning on waiting for Market Conditions to normalize. "You don't buy a Convertible Sports Car at the beginning of Spring, you buy it in the off season!" Additionally, you will not only pay a premium price, but the availability of the Model/Floor plan/Color Scheme will be limited causing you to likey settle for your second choice.
I guess one has to determine for themselves if having their second choice is better than none.

And it may be a case of time being more valuable than money. Whatever one has the least of makes it more valuable. If you think have more time waiting a few years may be a good option. If you have more money then getting one sooner, even at a premium price, may be the best option.
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Old 08-11-2020, 01:23 PM   #44
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Here the reality, in normal circumstances. These figures off the internet,
1. 30% depreciation as soon has you drive it off the lot.
2. 10% more the first year and 6% each year after that. .
Example AS purchase price $100,000.00 (MSRP- normally discounted 10+%), off the lot it worth $70,000.00, after first year $63,000.00, after another year its worth $59,000.00 and so on. If you look at Used AS on the forum, these figures are in the "BallPark". I suspect these figures maybe higher next year because of a surge in used AS after the dust settles from the virus.
In our situation, we are interested in either a Caravell 22FB or a Globetrotter 23FB Twin, both of these were new models in 2020. This means that there aren't many used trailers in the marketplace, which is okay.

We sold our first Airstream for about 80% of what we paid for it new 8 years and a lot of miles ago. It sold in less than 24 hours of when we listed it and there were a handful of other people who wanted it too...
Just sayin...
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Old 08-12-2020, 07:39 AM   #45
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We sold our first Airstream for about 80% of what we paid for it new 8 years and a lot of miles ago. It sold in less than 24 hours of when we listed it and there were a handful of other people who wanted it too...
Just sayin...
Hi Bruce. It may sell again for that, but I also think the "high sell Retail price of New Air Streams" has helped the older ones sell higher and Faster

Example. In US $

2000 30' classic sold new for what $58k

2020 30' classic retails for $170k. ($112,000 spread)

Re sale 20 years later in great used condition for 30-40k

Used at top dollar $40k VRS new at $150-170k (depends on deal)

You can see why the used market is always hot and sell fast.

Newbie starts to look at Trailers, hey honey this is nice and bright, cool interior.....wow $170,000 price tag and get sticker shock

Next stop SOB Oh this SOB is dark inside and kinda cardboard looking but it's only $39k

Ahhh Just right a used AS for $49k ( insert year spec's here)


Because they are "timeless" looking, (Like old Beetles, Harley's and they don't have decals that fade or go out of style etc like SOBs) they tend to hold there higher re selling price, for some people who are leaving RVing they can almost get what they paid for it (2000 example)

They sell fast because there is limited supply (even in "the before") there is a buyer waiting to buy, instead of a potential newbie kicking tires and the AS's are built like tanks ( a delicate tank but you know what I mean)

I would assume Old vintage AS like pre 70's is a whole different ball game.

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Old 08-12-2020, 10:35 AM   #46
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All this makes me wonder what will happen a year or two from now? A surplus? Increased/Continued overcrowding at RV parks?

There are many people who may be renting and ultimately purchase an RV but is it really a long-term purchase? Can huge numbers of people enter the RV market only to find themselves with a depreciating asset sitting in the driveway most of the year? Consumer debt is already high. Savings is already at/near a low. It's going to be interesting to see how all this plays out.

By mid-November when Covid 19 (miraculously) takes care of itself, a lot of these first-time pandemic buyers will have already realized that camping sometimes involves rain which leads to a muddy site and a good bit of work. The surplus/second-hand market come Spring 2021 will be amazing to take in.
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Old 08-12-2020, 03:09 PM   #47
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In any case, it’s going to be interesting to see how it goes.

I suspect some will be fully hooked on aluminumitis, possible a majority. A few will find something wrong with their experience and sell. Prices will respond to market supply and demand like they always do.

Checked the price of staples like toilet paper and cleaning wipes lately? Talk about a supply and demand driven situation!

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Hi Bruce. It may sell again for that, but I also think the "high sell Retail price of New Air Streams" has helped the older ones sell higher and Faster

Example. In US $

2000 30' classic sold new for what $58k

2020 30' classic retails for $170k. ($112,000 spread)

Re sale 20 years later in great used condition for 30-40k

Used at top dollar $40k VRS new at $150-170k (depends on deal)

You can see why the used market is always hot and sell fast.

Newbie starts to look at Trailers, hey honey this is nice and bright, cool interior.....wow $170,000 price tag and get sticker shock

Next stop SOB Oh this SOB is dark inside and kinda cardboard looking but it's only $39k

Ahhh Just right a used AS for $49k ( insert year spec's here)


Because they are "timeless" looking, (Like old Beetles, Harley's and they don't have decals that fade or go out of style etc like SOBs) they tend to hold there higher re selling price, for some people who are leaving RVing they can almost get what they paid for it (2000 example)

They sell fast because there is limited supply (even in "the before") there is a buyer waiting to buy, instead of a potential newbie kicking tires and the AS's are built like tanks ( a delicate tank but you know what I mean)

I would assume Old vintage AS like pre 70's is a whole different ball game.

Cheers Ultra
Well, it certainly is interesting to watch all of this.
I will say that although our Bambi had a patina of use associated with the mileage we had on it, it was nicely maintained. Probably much better than “average”.
The other factor is that it is such an unusual trailer. The new Caravel models are nice but not as nice as ours was. I believe that there were 7 made in 2012.
Limited supply and lots of demand.
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Old 08-12-2020, 03:37 PM   #49
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It's one thing buying an RV, but where can you take it these days? Even without covid park closures, there aren't enough camping areas allowed, the good ones get booked within seconds by people using bots to game the system.
Maybe it's easier out of Ca, but many campgrounds have been closed and the Coastal Commission has made is near impossible to create new parks along the coast. In Santa Cruz county, they even banned anyone from hosting campers on private land (via HipCamp) ... unreal.
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I gotta be honest ...I jumped on Florida plans early, but still after covid. Then had no problems getting a month in AZ then a week on south padre, followed by panhandle in mid march. Freelancing a week between. Total = 10 weeks mid January through end of March.
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Old 08-12-2020, 04:58 PM   #51
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Total = 10 weeks mid January through end of March.
You lucked out with that timing IMO.

With all the quarantine rules changing almost daily, planning anything long distance -- now -- is near impossible IMO.

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