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08-10-2020, 05:37 PM
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Rivet Master
2000 30' Excella
GTA
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 507
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Originally Posted by Sailorguy
We are in the AS Market ourselves but are planning on waiting for Market Conditions to normalize. "You don't buy a Convertible Sports Car at the beginning of Spring, you buy it in the off season!" Additionally, you will not only pay a premium price, but the availability of the Model/Floor plan/Color Scheme will be limited causing you to likey settle for your second choice.
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All good points if you have time,
or you could over pay (or pay top dollar) a bit now and use it for 18 months, the extra amount spread over 18 months may be even money.
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previous tow vehicles 2012 Mercedes Benz GL350d - CanAmRv.ca hitch Reinforcement, 2005 Ford F150 Lariat 5.4L
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08-11-2020, 05:52 AM
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#42
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2 Rivet Member
2020 22' Caravel
Cincinnati
, OH
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 69
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Prospective buyer in Cinti
Here the reality, in normal circumstances. These figures off the internet,
1. 30% depreciation as soon has you drive it off the lot.
2. 10% more the first year and 6% each year after that. .
Example AS purchase price $100,000.00 (MSRP- normally discounted 10+%), off the lot it worth $70,000.00, after first year $63,000.00, after another year its worth $59,000.00 and so on. If you look at Used AS on the forum, these figures are in the "BallPark". I suspect these figures maybe higher next year because of a surge in used AS after the dust settles from the virus.
In our situation, we are interested in either a Caravell 22FB or a Globetrotter 23FB Twin, both of these were new models in 2020. This means that there aren't many used trailers in the marketplace, which is okay.
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08-11-2020, 06:14 AM
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#43
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Site Team
2009 25' FB International
2018 27' Globetrotter
Tavares
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,676
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailorguy
We are in the AS Market ourselves but are planning on waiting for Market Conditions to normalize. "You don't buy a Convertible Sports Car at the beginning of Spring, you buy it in the off season!" Additionally, you will not only pay a premium price, but the availability of the Model/Floor plan/Color Scheme will be limited causing you to likey settle for your second choice.
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I guess one has to determine for themselves if having their second choice is better than none.
And it may be a case of time being more valuable than money. Whatever one has the least of makes it more valuable. If you think have more time waiting a few years may be a good option. If you have more money then getting one sooner, even at a premium price, may be the best option.
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08-11-2020, 01:23 PM
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#44
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Rivet Master
2021 25' Globetrotter
Jamestown
, Rhode Island
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,720
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailorguy
Here the reality, in normal circumstances. These figures off the internet,
1. 30% depreciation as soon has you drive it off the lot.
2. 10% more the first year and 6% each year after that. .
Example AS purchase price $100,000.00 (MSRP- normally discounted 10+%), off the lot it worth $70,000.00, after first year $63,000.00, after another year its worth $59,000.00 and so on. If you look at Used AS on the forum, these figures are in the "BallPark". I suspect these figures maybe higher next year because of a surge in used AS after the dust settles from the virus.
In our situation, we are interested in either a Caravell 22FB or a Globetrotter 23FB Twin, both of these were new models in 2020. This means that there aren't many used trailers in the marketplace, which is okay.
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We sold our first Airstream for about 80% of what we paid for it new 8 years and a lot of miles ago. It sold in less than 24 hours of when we listed it and there were a handful of other people who wanted it too...
Just sayin...
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08-12-2020, 07:39 AM
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#45
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Rivet Master
2000 30' Excella
GTA
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 507
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce B
We sold our first Airstream for about 80% of what we paid for it new 8 years and a lot of miles ago. It sold in less than 24 hours of when we listed it and there were a handful of other people who wanted it too...
Just sayin...
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Hi Bruce. It may sell again for that, but I also think the "high sell Retail price of New Air Streams" has helped the older ones sell higher and Faster
Example. In US $
2000 30' classic sold new for what $58k
2020 30' classic retails for $170k. ($112,000 spread)
Re sale 20 years later in great used condition for 30-40k
Used at top dollar $40k VRS new at $150-170k (depends on deal)
You can see why the used market is always hot and sell fast.
Newbie starts to look at Trailers, hey honey this is nice and bright, cool interior.....wow $170,000 price tag and get sticker shock
Next stop SOB Oh this SOB is dark inside and kinda cardboard looking but it's only $39k
Ahhh Just right a used AS for $49k ( insert year spec's here)
Because they are "timeless" looking, (Like old Beetles, Harley's and they don't have decals that fade or go out of style etc like SOBs) they tend to hold there higher re selling price, for some people who are leaving RVing they can almost get what they paid for it (2000 example)
They sell fast because there is limited supply (even in "the before") there is a buyer waiting to buy, instead of a potential newbie kicking tires and the AS's are built like tanks ( a delicate tank but you know what I mean)
I would assume Old vintage AS like pre 70's is a whole different ball game.
Cheers Ultra
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previous tow vehicles 2012 Mercedes Benz GL350d - CanAmRv.ca hitch Reinforcement, 2005 Ford F150 Lariat 5.4L
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08-12-2020, 10:35 AM
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#46
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Rivet Master
1964 17' Bambi II
1961 24' Tradewind
Strasburg
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 917
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nvestysly
All this makes me wonder what will happen a year or two from now? A surplus? Increased/Continued overcrowding at RV parks?
There are many people who may be renting and ultimately purchase an RV but is it really a long-term purchase? Can huge numbers of people enter the RV market only to find themselves with a depreciating asset sitting in the driveway most of the year? Consumer debt is already high. Savings is already at/near a low. It's going to be interesting to see how all this plays out.
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By mid-November when Covid 19 (miraculously) takes care of itself, a lot of these first-time pandemic buyers will have already realized that camping sometimes involves rain which leads to a muddy site and a good bit of work. The surplus/second-hand market come Spring 2021 will be amazing to take in.
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08-12-2020, 03:09 PM
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#47
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
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Airstream Sales
In any case, it’s going to be interesting to see how it goes.
I suspect some will be fully hooked on aluminumitis, possible a majority. A few will find something wrong with their experience and sell. Prices will respond to market supply and demand like they always do.
Checked the price of staples like toilet paper and cleaning wipes lately? Talk about a supply and demand driven situation!
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'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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08-12-2020, 03:15 PM
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#48
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Rivet Master
2021 25' Globetrotter
Jamestown
, Rhode Island
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,720
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultraclassic
Hi Bruce. It may sell again for that, but I also think the "high sell Retail price of New Air Streams" has helped the older ones sell higher and Faster
Example. In US $
2000 30' classic sold new for what $58k
2020 30' classic retails for $170k. ($112,000 spread)
Re sale 20 years later in great used condition for 30-40k
Used at top dollar $40k VRS new at $150-170k (depends on deal)
You can see why the used market is always hot and sell fast.
Newbie starts to look at Trailers, hey honey this is nice and bright, cool interior.....wow $170,000 price tag and get sticker shock
Next stop SOB Oh this SOB is dark inside and kinda cardboard looking but it's only $39k
Ahhh Just right a used AS for $49k ( insert year spec's here)
Because they are "timeless" looking, (Like old Beetles, Harley's and they don't have decals that fade or go out of style etc like SOBs) they tend to hold there higher re selling price, for some people who are leaving RVing they can almost get what they paid for it (2000 example)
They sell fast because there is limited supply (even in "the before") there is a buyer waiting to buy, instead of a potential newbie kicking tires and the AS's are built like tanks ( a delicate tank but you know what I mean)
I would assume Old vintage AS like pre 70's is a whole different ball game.
Cheers Ultra
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Well, it certainly is interesting to watch all of this.
I will say that although our Bambi had a patina of use associated with the mileage we had on it, it was nicely maintained. Probably much better than “average”.
The other factor is that it is such an unusual trailer. The new Caravel models are nice but not as nice as ours was. I believe that there were 7 made in 2012.
Limited supply and lots of demand.
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08-12-2020, 03:37 PM
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#49
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Rivet Master
1972 31' Sovereign
Currently Looking...
felton
, California
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 692
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It's one thing buying an RV, but where can you take it these days? Even without covid park closures, there aren't enough camping areas allowed, the good ones get booked within seconds by people using bots to game the system.
Maybe it's easier out of Ca, but many campgrounds have been closed and the Coastal Commission has made is near impossible to create new parks along the coast. In Santa Cruz county, they even banned anyone from hosting campers on private land (via HipCamp) ... unreal.
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08-12-2020, 04:30 PM
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#50
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 13,658
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I gotta be honest ...I jumped on Florida plans early, but still after covid. Then had no problems getting a month in AZ then a week on south padre, followed by panhandle in mid march. Freelancing a week between. Total = 10 weeks mid January through end of March.
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08-12-2020, 04:58 PM
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#51
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dznf0g
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Total = 10 weeks mid January through end of March.
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You lucked out with that timing IMO.
With all the quarantine rules changing almost daily, planning anything long distance -- now -- is near impossible IMO.
Happy trails [or lack thereof!],
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