2019 Oliver II and 2019 Airstream 27 International

[Ray Eklund]

Originally Posted by Rocinante

Oliver doesn't gelcoat this issue - they talk about it head-on: https://olivertraveltrailers.com/blo...fiberglass-rv/

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Very good read. Thanks.

No... I am not advertising for Airstream or Oliver. I would not want an Arctic Fox trailer... but it worked well for friends who have one. I got lost trying to find my way out... well, not really, but you get the idea.

If I ever go Human Bean in the distant future, one those metallic maroon paint jobs on my Oliver would be the trick.

Maybe whatever Boeing Aircraft are painted for my Airstream... metallic Blue? Add a left and right outdoor storage looking like mini jet turbines? More a Human Bean custom job, I think.

There are Dreamers and Followers... then Neanderthals. When Neanderthals do something, it is not an impulse, like needing food and a dead Deer carcass will do.

A Denny's double cheeseburger and fries is Fine Dining for me.

Over Time:

An Airstream will be wonderful. An Oliver will be wonderful. When the price of your year and model hit bottom... they will increase in value as a Vintage Collectable. Every car and pickup I owned in my 20's... is now an Expensive Collectable. At the time... Beaters that needed to be shopped out and flipped.

If you have evolved into a Two Tow Vehicle Family... go Neanderthal. One for the grown ups and the other for those kids who like to stay up late. Ohhhh Weeeee !

[Ray Eklund]

After Ten Days of owning a 2019 Oliver Elite II, Nancy and I made up a list of what we HATE or Dislike about our Oliver. Every detail. Every particle of dust examined. Even for loose screws, popped anything, and smell... Proceed with Caution.

First... I need to take a deep breath. Ahhhhhh Chooooo. (allergies)

Second... let my pulse slow down to three beats or less a minute. Ouch...

Third... To justify the cost of an Oliver II and nit pick it to death. Hmmmm.

Fourth... To satisfy those who think... well, those who think they think. OK

List of what I and WE Hate about our Oliver Trailer:

ZZZZZzzzzzz

But... this is only after 10 Days. There is more coming to test and find... wrong. I do not want to disappoint anyone. I am a Beast when it comes to finding something wrong. My experience with three Airstreams is very well documented.

Yes... I have two 'boats'. One aluminum and another fiber glass... as accused. Both are actually Land Yachts with Axles. OK?

Our 27 foot International is 100% mechanically operational. Really....

Our Oliver up to this point is 100% operational... but the test is coming with water. Next day or three. We have $5 Free Play on our nickel video poker machines at the Casino this week. Yaaaa Hoooo. Free at a Casino will cost us up to $40... we will see.

[tjdonahoe]

My son just ordered an Excape 21’ made in Chilliwack, BC….all Fiberglas with hardwood interior….if we were going smaller it would be my choice

[field & stream]

I spent some time studying the design specs of the Oliver II, after mostly just looking at the photos in the past. While I love Airstreams, I have to say the Oliver is a much better designed trailer — especially for use unplugged.

Waste tanks are properly sized, dual-pane sliding windows, 3-way fridge, water heater with tank, and more. Painted silver it might be perfect.

[gypsydad]

Ray- congratulations! Oliver II is an eye catcher, like the AS's for sure. My brother-in-law, last year was getting a 25' FC Twin; untill he started comparing to the Oliver; however, he ended up going with a Bigfoot 25' twin. Said it was wider then the Oliver? Did you look at a Bigfoot also? Curious your thoughts...

[Mollysdad]

I'm at a disadvantage here because I like Olivers.
I'm just being realistic. 7' beam? Translates to less floor space. Wet bath? Dinette that seats two? Good idea because four would be a traffic jam. Did you know the fridge is 4.7 cu/ft.? Does that coincide with boon docking?
Sliding windows? That just means they'll be closed in the rain. Ever stayed in a small boat in the rain? It's like a microwave.

Originally Posted by Rocinante

Oliver doesn't gelcoat this issue - they talk about it head-on: https://olivertraveltrailers.com/blo...fiberglass-rv/

Wow! That was good and not sugar coating it! In Florida, it might be "wash and wax every two weeks."

If I were to buy a new Oliver, my first stop might be to Vinnie's for a ceramic coating. I wonder if it works on fiberglass, why not.

[Ray Eklund]

When I was 16 and drove my 1956 VW with myself , my Human Bean brother and friend to collect fossils in western Nebraska and 'sleep under the stars'... it was great. When it was cold... a propane cooktop on my brother's lap on the back seat heated the small space within the VW. Yep... did not die, get Carbon Monoxide... or catch on fire. We were Young... not stupid. Well, debatable... but it worked.

When I was going to the University of Wyoming and had a used 1967 Bronco, a Tent was more than adequate. Spent three months a year... Summer Vacation camping for the first year. Living on $366 a month, GI Bill for 9 months. We call it Roughing It... today. At the time... it was Survival of what little cash in my wallet AND a Credit Card.

Collecting fossils supplemented income and doing some hay rowing for gasoline on a Ranch and meals... gave me permission to climb the Badlands for fossil tortoises, fossil rodents, small and large mammals. Even some bartering came in handy to work to hunt fossils... kind of exchange.

Married, things changed. Tent Camping and a small apartment. One for two young parents, a daughter and a place to store meager used furniture picked up at garage sales in Laramie and Cheyenne, Wyoming. Selling off 1960's cars that were fixed and flipped for a bankroll... and a tent on expeditions into more remote fossil collecting... to supplement my Geology Degree and Family.

As you can tell... if you work hard and use your primitive Neanderthal and Human Bean imagination... one can survive without a low paying, low skilled job. Even a Tent has its limits. An apartment was now a museum and a prep shop and a home.

Dial in thirty years of hard work and determination:

The first Airstream in 2006, a 23 foot was... a home stored at a home. But the Ranches had gone corporate and new owners and... no more access to the ranches along the Nebraska and Wyoming borders. It was now... Pay a Lease to hunt Fossils... and things changed.

We earned every pound of Aluminum. From 23 to 25 to 27 foot. Paid with hard work. This was not inherited money to squander. It was well thought out... sort of... considering a Neanderthal living among City Folk was rather obviously unusual.

The Oliver Elite II was something that caught my attention. Nancy... did not need that kind of attention... but I am still evolving. She is a Human Bean.

I posted on the Oliver website I wanted to SEE an Oliver for more than a brisk walk around. Zzzzzzz. No volunteers, at all. Then I posted to BUY an Oliver in my part of the USA. Zzzzzz. Then I received a 'heads up'... a 2019 Oiiver II within 40 miles of where we were and listed for Sale less than a half hour earlier.

I did not post my photograph. Scaring someone, up front, is not good business.

Emailed the Seller. He called back, not knowing I am a PIAss Neanderthal and focused, with glasses to read easier at my age. It took less than a hour to get a walk through, had my ladder and the rest is history.

The owner received two other calls just after mine... I was almost a neighbor. I also would gather at the Credit Union and he could see the Cashier print the check... and not off a computer that looked... like a real check. That is an attention getter for a Seller. Trusting a Buyer... sometimes can go sour.

Many people live simple lives. Go to school. Go to work somewhere. Come home after work. Deposit the pay check. ...and it becomes routine. Nancy was smart and progressed in her educated background. I was still in the Stone Age but could turn a pile of parts into complete, operating machines and gather up other people's junk and make them into... collectables.

I changed Jobs... like Baby Diapers. Worked one day for the IRS. Too many numbers.

That is the short story to the Oliver. The Airstream and the Oliver are different in many ways... but share a common purpose. "We can use either, where we like to go and camp and return easily."

Many buy a Boat. A hole where you throw money into it. Nancy's father had 'Boatitess' in Buffalo, NY. Bigger holes to fill. Not for us. I get motion sickness, unless scared... which in a boat on the Great Lakes... petrified. Sinking was a worry, for me. Trailers... were a lot more stable near water.

The Oliver is well designed. Small only to those who are BIG and need to lose some width. We FIT. The Airstream fits many sizes of people. The Oliver is a Sports Trailer... not a Hauler of too much stuff.

If this seems to be a long explanation... this is amended as I get up early and shortly Nancy and the two Blue Heelers will be showing up for the morning hike.

IF you think an Oliver is overkill... good. Jump into a Lake. Or into the Niagara Falls... if you need BIG to Fit. We do not. We are keeping both in the event we become BIG and need the width to squish through...

Get a Barrel and become famous? I heard it is not a great idea.

Yep... the Oliver keeps me thin... but my elbows tend to hit things in the Airstream and soon, the Oliver. But they are OURS. So get over it. Even a Neanderthal can figure it out. Get a Boat... then try to sell it for what you have in it.

Now... you will understand. Get over it. Get your own, if you are quick. Some day this Oliver will be for sale. I will be pushing daisies. You can have my walking stick, too.

If you still do not understand... maybe I will sell the Oliver to you... and like it more than I do. I may be a Neanderthal... but need better clothes.

[Ray Eklund]

Airstreams and Oliver trailers require Tools.

Many used once, as in once in awhile. When anyone buys a trailer, there are tools needed. Some are specific for that Trailer. Get another Brand... and tools that are specific to that trailer.

After 15 years you will own many tools... specific to trailers... and not very useful to be used around the house. Like the breaker bar and socket to tighten the 2 5/16 inch Ball onto the Shank of a Equalizer Hitch.

Here are my first tools. Today... obsolete. I started before everyone on the Forum.

Also some examples of what a Neanderthal finds interesting. Those who have a trailer for Glamping and LED lit exteriors... great.

For those who like to get Neanderthal... a totally foreign experience to most. Only a Neanderthal or early Human Bean can relate to the Outdoors that remain much like it was last year, a hundred years or a thousand years ago. Familiar to some. "Where Am I?" to most.

Like Little Big Man. A Cheyenne Warrior Brave was proud to have a wife and four horses. Little Big Man had a horse and four wives. It is all perspective.

You have your reasons. ...and I have my 'excuses' to go somewhere.

[Ray Eklund]

Hunters spend hours tracking game in rough country. They often need to track themselves to figure out where they parked the pickup, or find the campsite by smelling, IF down wind.

Fisherman climb through Brush, Bogs and get their Fly hung up on everything, except the Trout hitting the surface, always, on the Opposite side of the River.

Geologists spend hours tracking Rock Formations that are read like a Book. Find the correct chapter and the Hunt Begins. Seeing is one thing. Getting to it is another...

A Tent. An Airstream. An Oliver... it is all the same to me. You have a laboratory on wheels. Use it to do things you never thought of doing before. Like... getting Lost in western Wyoming... and Loving Every Day of not knowing where or why you ended up where you did. Ahhhhh.

You are never lost. You are where you ended up for a purpose. That is the problem. This works for me, often.

Many are afraid to travel where the road narrows. No reason to be afraid. The opposite travel will slow down and move over, if you do. Just try NOT to be on the outside of a narrow road near a straight drop into a canyon. Colorado comes to mind. Ouray, Colorado... yep. and that is paved.


When and If you find a purpose for your Airstream or Oliver, then you will enjoy whatever trailer you reside.

Our entertainment is a 'laboratory on wheels'.

Eventually even those times end. It happens when many others find what you discovered as interesting... now is popular. Fly fishing is an example. Southern Missouri below the Fish Hatchery the first week of the season... was entertainment to watch. (Forgot name of river.)

Find a purpose. If you like National Parks... with high fuel prices...this may be the best year to be on the road. We will be on a different road. The one that goes nowhere... on a map. Just outside, somewhere special.

[Jaxon]

I've read or heard (could've been the voices in my head), that Oliver's are four-season trailers with insulated plumbing and tanks. If so, that makes them ideal for real camping adventures... not to mention, less prone to hail damage!
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[Ray Eklund]

Nancy had parents who liked camping... as their dad and brother like to fish.

Toss on a small flat bottom boat, strapped onto the Station Wagon.

Two adults and three children. Nancy was the oldest, so could pick her spot. Her sister got a hammock, brother... somewhere. He was obnoxious.

Two hammocks, one on seating and parents using the Maxi Bed.

...and Airstream owners need... more room?

This was in the 1950's. Not 1750's... they had wagons that more people could find a place to rest.

Where are the Airstream members who know how to 'pack them into' a Bambi?

With imagination... not much I can tell... you could easily fit four in an Oliver. Maybe 6 in our 27 foot, really a 28 foot less bumper and front end and you have a Bambi.

You make do with what you have. The younger boys like a tent outside. Younger... maybe under 14. Younger in an Airstream is 35 and in an Oliver 15, as space is tighter.

How many can YOU pack into your Airstream? We have ourselves and two Blue Heelers in both the Oliver and 23, 25 and 27.

Had four adults in our 23 foot Safari at Carlsbad Caverns parked in the huge empty RV camping area and picnic tables near the Caverns. I felt at home with the Bats, so it was like Home Sweet Home.

Obviously some of you never spent time in an Army Barracks. That was huge. Camping out was not voluntary. I liked it. Breakfast before Sunrise. Ahhhhh. Learned to like Black Coffee... picked up a pulsing heart into the Red Zone.

[Ray Eklund]

I find other people's quirks more interesting than mine. Mine are ancient and learned from what I discovered was the wrong end of a Horse. That is, not all good advice is better nor worse than your own.

When we 'escorted unfortunate volunteers' to experience the Wilds... they thought it was to be a Guided Tour on short trails and snacks.

Snacks, yes if you brought them. Less in an Oliver, more in an Airstream.

They would be standing looking for the Anasazi Pit Houses and not realize that the pile of rocks with Pine Trees growing out... were 800 to 1200 year old pit houses. The expression on faces is something to photograph... if I had a camera ready.

...and your Oliver or Airstream is too... small? Family and older parents lived in this Pit Houses, now piled up stones as they fell over and the wood branches rotted or burned hundreds of years ago.

TeePee Rings in Wyoming are common. Near Spanish Diggings, which you can find yourself, outside Lusk, Wyoming may have a thousand... and most people did not notice. Probably because the Teepee were gone and the Indians were now living in Town, working at the Casino.

This year make yourself uncomfortable. We will be learning in the Olver. We do not have to carry any less weight, as Human Beans have... grocery stores. You are not eating Prairie Dog Stew, which is sweet tasting... like Gophers. We all knew that.

Invite some neighbor kid or kids to come along. They need the fresh air. Put them to work, and wax the tow vehicle and trailer. Make it fun... offer food if done well. Offer gopher, if not and have them go with you to get a few.

Oliver will treat us well. Better than some pop up camper that the canvas pops and flaps with every 50 mph wind gust in Buffalo, Wyoming on a good day.

I quit offering Boondocking suggestions as people want to go to the 'good spots'. Then they come back, bring their friends and so on... then a Circus moves into the Area for entertainment, a town, a city and then... a crime wave of gopher rustlers. I see. You are getting the idea.

Want to sit around and complain? You are reading this aren't you? Those who have not... are afraid to. They think they are Mountain Jack... and just because they turned off I-80 at Rock Springs, Wyoming.

Pull out an Atlas, the older the better. Wyoming became a state in 1890. Find an 1867 Union Pacific map. Camp along the UP Track and every half hour... you will hear what local residents heard since 1867 and still do not complain.

Have a Good Day. I am considering buffing the Oliver today. Any volunteers? Prairie Dog... is sweet and add a bit of salt and Rocky Mountain Oysters... those are not the salt water variety... but the Prairie Grass variety.

Not buffing and waxing. The previous owner was a smart Human Bean... he bought the stuff that Oliver advised to use... good for six months. For me... that is an entire Summer, minus cloud cover.

An evil friend, probably living in Buffalo, Wyoming?, nope, not that one sent me a card. Oh... so cute. Put one in your Oliver/Airstream front door window. Inspired by "Yellowstone"... Wyoming is wonderful.

[xpcdoojk]

Originally Posted by Ray Eklund

Hunters spend hours tracking game in rough country. They often need to track themselves to figure out where they parked the pickup, or find the campsite by smelling, IF down wind.

Fisherman climb through Brush, Bogs and get their Fly hung up on everything, except the Trout hitting the surface, always, on the Opposite side of the River.

Geologists spend hours tracking Rock Formations that are read like a Book. Find the correct chapter and the Hunt Begins. Seeing is one thing. Getting to it is another...

A Tent. An Airstream. An Oliver... it is all the same to me. You have a laboratory on wheels. Use it to do things you never thought of doing before. Like... getting Lost in western Wyoming... and Loving Every Day of not knowing where or why you ended up where you did. Ahhhhh.

You are never lost. You are where you ended up for a purpose. That is the problem. This works for me, often.

Many are afraid to travel where the road narrows. No reason to be afraid. The opposite travel will slow down and move over, if you do. Just try NOT to be on the outside of a narrow road near a straight drop into a canyon. Colorado comes to mind. Ouray, Colorado... yep. and that is paved.


When and If you find a purpose for your Airstream or Oliver, then you will enjoy whatever trailer you reside.

Our entertainment is a 'laboratory on wheels'.

Eventually even those times end. It happens when many others find what you discovered as interesting... now is popular. Fly fishing is an example. Southern Missouri below the Fish Hatchery the first week of the season... was entertainment to watch. (Forgot name of river.)

Find a purpose. If you like National Parks... with high fuel prices...this may be the best year to be on the road. We will be on a different road. The one that goes nowhere... on a map. Just outside, somewhere special.

Ray opening season for that river is March 1. Roaring River State Park. Have done it a few times when I was young and not married.

I don't have an Airstream or an Oliver yet. Both seem like really nice trailers. I will order an International 23 FB soon.

jc

[Ray Eklund]

Originally Posted by xpcdoojk

Ray opening season for that river is March 1. Roaring River State Park. Have done it a few times when I was young and not married.

I don't have an Airstream or an Oliver yet. Both seem like really nice trailers. I will order an International 23 FB soon.

jc

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Roaring River Fish Hatchery?

Cost 25 cents for dog food pellets, then sold as fish food, to feed the Big Trout being held back. The cool fresh water was flowing out of a Cavern. Well, Spring when wet. Cavern when not wet. You choose. This was always flowing. My cave homes were high and dry, but with good views.

Did you tent camp at Dube's with the inner tubes and float around? Our Blue Heeler could stand on an inner tube... what a show off. The real inner tubes. You could get some good scratches from the air nozzle.

You do not need a NEW Airstream or Oliver. You see lots of used Airstreams and Olivers used one Season and the previous owners Get Divorced... or sell that 'thing'. You stick your nose outside and let that Lady of yours check out the Interior. If she does not like it... Pass Out and fall over (find a soft spot first). It works. Got the Oliver.

Avoid any 23 footer with 14 inch wheels. Later ones have six lug 15 inch wheels, so you can upgrade to Michelin 16 inch LT tires and they will last. Sell the 15's and get new, look alike, 16 Sendels and Michelins. Save yourself 50% or more.

I like the model year 2019, as you can get the Solar, Propane and Electric options.

My brother and I were invited to camp at a Civil War cabin south of the Lake of the Ozarks. It must had been the Osage River. Some yokel locals like ourselves were 'gigging for carp along the river banks.

My brother and I were hunting arrowheads in a corn field and wanted to see how the 'gigging was coming along'.

They stopped us and said we probably did not want to see what they found. Hmmmm. Must have been something big.

Nope... a woman had drowned upstream in a boating accident and washed down the River and got hung up in tree roots. May have been a month before the locals found the body. They said it was not a very nice scene. Called the local Sheriff.

A elderly nice woman invited my brother and I to come down was a child living in the Cabin. She rang this school bell when it was time to eat. At night you could hear the mice running along the interior logs. That was cool. In the cabin. Not the Oliver or Airstream. The log cabin.

...and today, many need full hookups and are afraid to use public restrooms. Even ones where you pay in Mexico. Thinking... I do not recall where the toilet was around the Cabin. Must have just found a large Oak Tree and made it happy...

[switz]

I think our 2015 (made in September 2014) 23D rides well on 15" Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires mounted on six lug SenDel wheels. That alone raised the ground clearance under the axles 1.1 inches coming from the stock 14" tires and wheels. We upgraded the axles to get both 12" dual piston disc brakes and 3" lift plates factory installed on the new axles. That rear plumbing won't drag now on rough roads the undulate. We had only about ⅜" clearance when we initially went to the 15" Michelins even after customizing the curb side front wheel well edge to it's full potential. The 3" lift kit would now allow the 16" Michelins like on our 2014 Classic. We made a custom tire carrier for the 15" Michelins and am not sure the extra .9" diameter 16" tires would fit. The trailer would be 0.45" higher though.

To me the secret to off roading is slow and easy. No use destroying then trailer and tow vehicle trying to speed down a really rough road . I have seen SOBs flying down back country roads that I though 5 mph was fast. To each their own

[GettinAway]

Interesting reading. I’m too large for a smaller trailer. We had a 23FB AS for several years. We are camped at a HH winery in TN. It’s 21 outside, so we are sitting inside.
I think if I could add a second trailer it would be one that I could load a dual sport motorcycle into the back of.
I like the way those Oliver trailers are made. Definitely not worrying about frame separation.

[Ray Eklund]

Great News!!! Short and Sweet.

Oliver: The narrowest, flush hardware interior... is 29 inches wide.

Airstream: The narrowest, to the closet handle. sticking out, to the bathroom door is... under 25 inches.

So... no hype here. I have an accurate tape measure.

Lengths may vary of front to back of total exterior Trailer Length for options attached to rear bumpers.

Take the total length and subtract the ball coupler to the front of trailer and the length of the rear bumper from the rear exterior. The Oliver loses about five feet from 23 feet 6 inches. (I have a bicycle rear bumper that was attached. I do not haul a bicycle. More likely a tricycle... for me, but is very sturdy and could take some punishment for those who back up, using sound.)

GVWR of 7,000#
Tongue Weight: 490 pounds
Dry Weight: 4,900 pounds
Interior height: 6 feet 6 inches.
Inside Width: 6 feet 7 inches (wall to wall)
Seats 7 and Sleeps 3. (Sorry Four of you need to sleep outside.)

[GettinAway]

I could have been more clear in my comment. It’s not width, it’s height that concerns me. My head would be bumping the ceiling in the Oliver, it’s close in the AS.
That Oliver does sound spacious though!

Edit,
Our 23FB AS felt like it needed more living space. That was why the 23CB AS sounded better, but the bed in it is even smaller.

[Ray Eklund]

I am 72 inches Tall, not wearing High Heels, or uncomfortable western boots inside our trailers. This is flat footed. Not with the size 12 mountain Vasque Boots, that weigh as much as a small dog. I do not wear them in the Trailer. Very aggressive soles leave marks and Nancy will leave a mark on the back of my thick skull... if I try.

If you are 7 feet tall, you will not have trouble entering your home at a standard door entry of 95 inches. Good, stay at home and out of the trailer.

I hate to break the news to RV Park Campers... if I shower once a week, outside the trailer... it is a miracle occurring. Most or maybe many Airstream Owners require lots of mirrors, showers with enough room to sleep, large Refer with a separate freezer... we have a name for them in the West. I will say DUDES.

That is what people consider Airstream owners. Seriously.

Possibly, not any better or worse owning an Oliver. They are like finding a Unicorn in your yard. Rare, indeed.

If you NEED BIG... fine. Buy a Freightliner Renegade Motorhome. It can go nowhere where we go. That is huge. More tires than I want to bring up to pressure and one television is one too many for us. Looked real nice. A two story Airstream and lots of ladders.

People get snobby with a shiny trailer, they financed up the ying yang. Buy a gentle used Airstream or Oliver that you can afford and put elbow grease into it. Most owners cannot change the oil in their tow vehicle... it is too... dirty. They pay to have anything fixed in their trailer. If you can get dirty and fix simple mechanical items... you are a Neanderthal Genius.

Buying a clean used trailer is the sign of intelligence. Tweaking when necessary.

I get along better with tent campers than a new Airstream Owner. Tent camper interests are similar to our interests and we speak the same language. They are frugal, as we are. A bear is just another animal in the forest. I have yet to have a bear want to take my folding chairs.

I was very surprised on a Wyoming Expedition that the majority of Airstream owners travelled in a PACK. Apparently not knowing what to do when in National Forests or BLM open areas. Out of their 'element'.

Many did not know what to do, why they were there and were out of their element. Those who could handle it... easily adapted. Some just... bitched.

When people tell me that we are damaging our Airstream taking it where we go... the PACK. They need the shower. The flushing toilet or Composing toilet inside their trailer. A large Refer. Queen Bed. Large dinner table and couches.

I will like to hear what Oliver owners think their trailer is capable. Time will tell as under 1,000 made and no doubt capable of being on the road, but not many out being used but parked.

Some Neanderthals and Human Beans need to sit down and consider that having money cannot be confused as having functional brains. Totally different. Brains are valuable... money cannot buy experience. Using your brain to operate the hands and fingers can bring you comfort and confidence, that money cannot buy.

If Nancy had read this, she would advised to edit it down to... "Use your trailer as you like".

The photo is what you will see when we are on the road.

Myself... I have itchy fingers on a keyboard.

[Mollysdad]

Sounds like the Oliver is perfect for you. Enjoy!