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Old 11-24-2022, 12:55 AM   #1
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Porch (scare) light 1950s

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Does anyone have one of these fitted? If so is it above the door? I have the guttering (correct term?) above the door so the light would be blocked.

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Old 11-24-2022, 09:05 AM   #2
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Niall, the 54 Safari seems to have been manufactured in Ohio only and did not have the suicide door configuration. Looking at the online vintage Airstream picture archives, scare lights were rare on that model. They seemed to be used more on the 55s. Maybe someone else with a 54 Safari with a scare light can shed some light, so to speak. I would be interested in knowing. Also, the trim above the door and windows are called drip caps and sometimes eyebrows. Good luck
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Old 11-24-2022, 09:20 AM   #3
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Also, looking at some past posts on selling 54 Safaris, some do have scare lights. Whether they are original or installed by the owner during a renovation, I like the location and look. It appears they were placed about 8” below the aft edge of the door drip cap. That would make sense to illuminate the door handle and steps.
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Niall, the 54 Safari seems to have been manufactured in Ohio only and did not have the suicide door configuration. Looking at the online vintage Airstream picture archives, scare lights were rare on that model. They seemed to be used more on the 55s. Maybe someone else with a 54 Safari with a scare light can shed some light, so to speak. I would be interested in knowing. Also, the trim above the door and windows are called drip caps and sometimes eyebrows. Good luck
Thanks Bubba. I’m going to have to get one for practicality but just wanted to keep it as original as possible. Thanks for the eyebrow and drip cap definitions. Being an absolute beginner I also don’t know what a suicide door configuration is either. Could you elaborate please?

I’ll keep looking at ‘54 pics to see if anybody else uses the light.


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Niall, a suicide door referred to the Airstream doors that were hinged on the left side of the door as you viewed from the street. They could and would open into the wind when towing. So, they coined the term “suicide door” since it was an accident waiting to happen. Many have installed dead bolts to keep the door secure. Others, me included, just add a door “thingy” wedge that secures the door. I have read before that one of the reasons for this configuration was so it wouldn’t block the window on the right side when the door was held open. Yours is not a suicide door. Don’t know the reasoning behind Ohio’s design.
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Niall, a suicide door referred to the Airstream doors that were hinged on the left side of the door as you viewed from the street. They could and would open into the wind when towing. So, they coined the term “suicide door” since it was an accident waiting to happen. Many have installed dead bolts to keep the door secure. Others, me included, just add a door “thingy” wedge that secures the door. I have read before that one of the reasons for this configuration was so it wouldn’t block the window on the right side when the door was held open. Yours is not a suicide door. Don’t know the reasoning behind Ohio’s design.
Actually the term “suicide door” carried over from cars, where some people may have actually been injured or killed when the door swung open to the back of the vehicle. This was before the age of seat-belts and some people may have tried to grab the door while it started to open or just fell out or maybe just feared falling out afterwards.
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Actually the term “suicide door” carried over from cars, where some people may have actually been injured or killed when the door swung open to the back of the vehicle. This was before the age of seat-belts and some people may have tried to grab the door while it started to open or just fell out or maybe just feared falling out afterwards.
Thanks, I never thought of that. I remember the old Lincoln Continental had reversed doors for the back seat.
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I have a 54 Flying Cloud (manufactured in November of ‘53). The scare light, which looks the same as the one in your post, is about 8” above the top of the window and about 6” forward of the leading edge of the door. Mine is the door in door style, hinge to the rear.
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I have no reason to think it is not original.
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I have a 54 Flying Cloud (manufactured in November of ‘53). The scare light, which looks the same as the one in your post, is about 8” above the top of the window and about 6” forward of the leading edge of the door. Mine is the door in door style, hinge to the rear.
Trying to post photo….
I have no reason to think it is not original.
Good luck,
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Great help! Thanks Mark. I’ve ordered it so it should be in the U.K. soon.
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I have a 54 Flying Cloud (manufactured in November of ‘53). The scare light, which looks the same as the one in your post, is about 8” above the top of the window and about 6” forward of the leading edge of the door. Mine is the door in door style, hinge to the rear.
Trying to post photo….
I have no reason to think it is not original.
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Mark, when time allows, please do post a picture of the light. I want to compare it to the one on our 55 FC. Ours was original and we had it re-chromed. Yours appears to be in the same dimensional location as ours. Thanks
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Mark, when time allows, please do post a picture of the light. I want to compare it to the one on our 55 FC. Ours was original and we had it re-chromed. Yours appears to be in the same dimensional location as ours. Thanks


I will be happy to do that but I’m away from it for a couple weeks so won’t get right to it….
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