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07-14-2020, 01:20 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 25' Flying Cloud
Airstream - Other
Airstream - Other
North Central Texas
, USA
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,003
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I've been running a propane only Honda 2000 for about 3 years now. Both of my a/c's have self installed easy-starts. I can run either the 13K or the 15K with no problem as long as I keep total wattage/current needs under control.
I have the 'Companion' Honda so the 30-amp plug is built in.
My previous single 15K a/c w/ES ran fine even in Albuquerque without the high altitude mod. I use a 3/8" quick-connect and hose instead of the standard 1/4" from Airstream.
Before going this route I had 2 gas-only Honda 2000's with the parallel kit and a run-long 6-gal external tank. That took way too much real estate to be worth it. This is before Easy-Start came onto the scene and just about when Genconnex was getting known.
Going further back I had the Honda 3000 w/electric start. It got too heavy real quick, my age has nothing to do with it
I love the single Honda 2000 propane only gen set-up. It's light enough to lift/carry myself, no gas cans, don't have to drain the carbs before storing, oil stays a lot cleaner, the fumes from the propane are more tolerable, and the space required is manageable. The 2000/2200 along with the hoses and adapters all fit into a single Rubbermaid Action-Packer.
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07-14-2020, 02:13 PM
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:SPACE A" S/O 11 Air19745
2006 34' Classic S/O
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,766
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If you want a larger generator and weight is a problem, consider a 1,000# hydraulic lift table. Northern Tool has them on sale for $270. They are a great asset for any home shop. You can raise it up to any desired working height and/or lift it into the bed of your truck. That size has a large enough table to fit Yamaha's EFI6300 on it. Although the wheel tread is just outside of the table edges, I made four wood blocks with 1" saddles to support the genny on its axles, just inside of the axle supports. The axles are lifting point along with the carrying handles.
guskmg
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07-14-2020, 05:49 PM
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Senior Member
2012 27' FB Eddie Bauer
Sparks
, Nevada
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,116
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Quote:
Originally Posted by guskmg
If you want a larger generator and weight is a problem, consider a 1,000# hydraulic lift table. Northern Tool has them on sale for $270. They are a great asset for any home shop. You can raise it up to any desired working height and/or lift it into the bed of your truck. That size has a large enough table to fit Yamaha's EFI6300 on it. Although the wheel tread is just outside of the table edges, I made four wood blocks with 1" saddles to support the genny on its axles, just inside of the axle supports. The axles are lifting point along with the carrying handles.
guskmg
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I did exactly that with a Champion dual fuel 3500, the problem I faced was moving it around in the bed of the truck while surrounded by all of the other “necessary “ items. I ended up with 2 2200s. Winter travels I only take one. EZ start on 15000 has worked fine when needed. For dual fuel, Hutch Mountain is excellent!
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07-14-2020, 07:40 PM
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Rivet Master
1969 25' Tradewind
Shasta Lake
, California
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,039
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Having 2 Honda 2200i for boondocking is a good choice. They are easy to lift and pack . Also give you flexibility on how much power you need for changing conditions.
Plus at home during power outages 1 can run the fridge & freezer the other can run lights at the other end of the house or wherever it’s needed.
Flexibility is the way to go .
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07-15-2020, 04:27 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2020 20' Caravel
Richmond
, Virginia
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 20
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We got the two Honda’s and love them. I can carry them (being a woman) with ease. They run well and are so easy to start. I highly recommend them.
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07-15-2020, 09:08 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1985 31' Excella
st. Paul
, mn
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 239
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pteck
You are talking in generalities and quite off base with respect to the Honda. Let's save this for another thread.
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That is just nuts , do not pay attention to the numbers .
No generalities , I did mention Honda and approximate numbers .
Almost every thread about electrical ignores the spec.s / numbers , and tries to make min. power at best , just saw a post where someone was told $500 to add capacitors - again this is NUTS , - the rip-off of people that do not know .
With just a little knowledge - a YouTube video , you can buy a capacitor for $8 - $15 and install .
Running a generator 2000 or 2200 is max watts momentary / continuous around 1,800 watts - to start a AC unit at 3.500-3,750 watts does not add up .
Adding another [ all AC unit already have start caps ] or more capacitance helps but does not make for long-life .
To the original post - that Honda generator with the 30 amp plug ---- there is not 30 amp in one generator ---- it takes 2 with a paralell connectors to get 30 amps .
But never mind the numbers
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07-15-2020, 10:53 AM
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Airstream'n Bachelor
2018 30' Classic
Pine Ridge
, Florida
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 46
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Fyi
For anyone who has done the hutch mountain modification to the EU 2200. Yesterday I did a test with 1 gallon of propane at full load on the generator. The 1 gallon lasted 2.5 hours. So hopefully that means with a 20 pound propane tank you would get about 10 hours or more of generator.
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07-15-2020, 12:27 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1967 26' Overlander
Bugtussle
, Oklahoma
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 400
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnTF
To the original post - that Honda generator with the 30 amp plug ---- there is not 30 amp in one generator ---- it takes 2 with a paralell connectors to get 30 amps .
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^^That is correct.
I'm a numbers guy, too. But I run my 15000btu Dometic Brisk Air 2 on my Honda 2200 regularly with great results. I am neither an electrical engineer (IANAEE) nor an AC technician, so I can't explain how it works. All I can say is that the Micro Air Easy Start does the job as advertised. Maybe you could do some research and find out why the Easy Start sllows a Honda 2200 to run a 15K AC even though your calculations say it shouldn't. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
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07-19-2020, 09:31 AM
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#29
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1 Rivet Member
2018 Basecamp
Boston
, Massachusetts
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 19
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Generators/easy start
I have two of the Honda 2200. Have been considering Easy Start but 3 AS dealership service managers recommend against it. Have countered with Dometic now marketing ES. Was hoping to bring this up at Alumapalooza this year. Also considering the propane trifuel conversion. Propane has less output per volume than gas but still sufficient for all applications. I carry both generators to use in sequence for 2020 FC 28’. Would of course be happy to just carry one and use Easy Start. In the Fall and Spring, I only carry one. Main goal is getting humidity down for sleeping.
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07-19-2020, 09:46 AM
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Rivet Master
South East
, Michigan
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 546
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnTF
just saw a post where someone was told $500 to add capacitors - again this is NUTS , - the rip-off of people that do not know .
With just a little knowledge - a YouTube video , you can buy a capacitor for $8 - $15 and install .
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Just to be clear, the $500 is to install a computer controlled regulator that limits current flow into the AC during start up. This is significantly different from a $8 - $15 capacitor. From actual testing, adding the capacitor actually INCREASES the current demand of an AC during start up.
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2017 29' SOB, 2022 Platinum F-150 SCrew, ProPride
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07-19-2020, 09:50 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2016 22' Sport
2020 25' International
Clinton
, Land of Purple Mtn Majesty,Montana
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 312
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Mention generators and you have an instant hot topic. You've already read a good deal of advice. So, for what it's worth, here's what I did. I can say that I've been all over the map with genies. My son has dual Honda's and they are nice. I tried Ryobi's running in parallel. They worked ok. However, like it has been said, two genies, two tanks to fill, two oil changes, etc. The Champion gives the Hondas a run for their money and is very dependable and quiet. So, that's what I went with. I did not want to have to carry around gas tanks, so I opted for the "dual-fuel" Champion 3500. I keep it in the back of the truck along with a propane tank. When needed I pull it easily onto the tailgate and run it from there. It works very well for me and I can get 14 hours of continuous running on a tank. Although, I never run it for more than a few hours at a time. Good luck with your choice.
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07-19-2020, 10:16 AM
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#32
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1 Rivet Member
2020 30’ Globetrotter
Phoenix
, Arizona
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 11
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I had similar questions with my GT 30’. Ended up buying a Honda 7000. Electric start made up my mind. It holds 5 gallons of gas. Last weekend i got 9 hours running both ac units on 2/3 of a tank of fuel. I always carry 10 gallons of fuel in the bed of the truck for emergency. I have it chained locked in the bed with a 30 ‘ extension cord. I pull it up on a motorcycle ramp with a portable battery hand held winch. ( 300 #s). I’m exploring remote start now. I have no power issues.
Jim
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07-19-2020, 10:28 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 26' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 7,639
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My solution for lifting the 150# Honda into the bed is the Harbor Freight Hydraulic Table. Get the 1000# version as the 500# version is a couple inches shy of reaching the tailgate.
From the truck, I scootch the Honda onto the table, lower it, and roll it into the garage, where it lives until it needs to go back. The lift table also makes oil changes a breeze since it's at table top height.
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07-19-2020, 01:55 PM
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#34
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2 Rivet Member
HENDERSON
, Kentucky
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 23
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Honda 3000i Handi
Hi,
I use the Honda 3000i Handi generator. It is the lightest 3000w generator out there, & as you know very quiet and easy to start. 78 Lbs.
I can lift it by my old self, but is easy to team lift with DW’s help.
I have been very pleased with it’s performance the past year and a half boondocking. We used it for a week in Yellowstone last September, and it easily kept my Optima AGMs charged, despite having to run the furnace all night. We ran it a couple of hours in the morning so we could use the microwave & DW her hair dryer. A couple of more hours before generator quiet time in the evenings topped off the batteries.
I think in my case the Honda has been worth the price.
Steve & Gail
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07-19-2020, 02:36 PM
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#35
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1 Rivet Member
2019 22' Sport
Sandston
, Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 14
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We have the Honda 2200 and it's paired mate with the parallel kit to run the air conditioner in our 22 ft Bambi. Went with propane so that I can use from our 100 gallon tank at the house for power outages. We were planning on doing a lot of camping this year, but because of wife's health must stay at home. We got the Genconnex but you can install the conversion kit fairly easily. Haven't used for camping yet (bummer!) but have used a bunch of times for power outages. Great setup but pricey. I will second two light gens in place of the Honda 3000. Go and try to pick it up before you decide. It takes a really strong person, but really two people to lift to a truck bed. Good luck....a lot of options.
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07-19-2020, 03:04 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2020 25' Flying Cloud
lake Wales
, Florida
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 104
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenritas
Having 2 Honda 2200i for boondocking is a good choice. They are easy to lift and pack . Also give you flexibility on how much power you need for changing conditions.
Plus at home during power outages 1 can run the fridge & freezer the other can run lights at the other end of the house or wherever it’s needed.
Flexibility is the way to go .
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My comments are redundant, but I use a Honda 2200 LP generator and it starts and runs my 15000 Domentic. I usually travel north in summer, so 1 AC works for me.
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07-19-2020, 03:10 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1964 22' Safari
1993 25' Excella
Flagler Beach
, Florida
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 317
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gen.
we love our Honda 3000....does the job very well.
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07-19-2020, 04:31 PM
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#38
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1 Rivet Member
2018 Basecamp
Boston
, Massachusetts
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 19
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Generator update
Forgot to add: I can keep the 2 Honda’s in the back of the F250 and hear them, or tuck them in the woods with baffling and they almost are undetectable
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07-19-2020, 04:37 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2016 30' Classic
Victoria
, British Columbia
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 78
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We have a 30 Classic with EasyStart on both ACs. We also have a Honda 3000 and a Honda 2000. We only take the 2000 when traveling in the Airstream. If I am in a situation where I must run both ACs for extended periods of time, I have failed miserably in my endeavour to “follow the 70”.
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07-19-2020, 05:06 PM
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Rivet Master
2020 25' Globetrotter
Santa Rosa
, California
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,826
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Gary
Forgot to add: I can keep the 2 Honda’s in the back of the F250 and hear them, or tuck them in the woods with baffling and they almost are undetectable
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That's a good point. At many campsites, the TV ends up being parked next to the trailer and running the generator(s) in the bed is much more noticeable than being able to sequester them 40 feet away. (I have a 15' extension for my power cable). That's a lot harder to do if you're lifting over 100lbs of generator (with fuel in the tank) out of the vehicle and lugging it around.
I keep coming back to the fact that with two small generators you not only have more total power available but on those trips where a single generator is all that's required, one has that option. To me those are much more significant advantages than electric start (my 2000's never take more than 2 pulls) or not having to do one extra 10 minute oil change every 6 months or so.
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2020 25' Globetrotter Twin | 2024 GMC Sierra 2500HD Denali Ult. 4x4 Duramax
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