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03-29-2017, 10:30 AM
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Rivet Master
1955 22' Safari
Laredo
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,342
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Rivet question
My 67 Overlander International is missing a few rivets from the body trim pieces. Some go through trim and skin only and some go through wheel wells as well. What rivet type, material, diameter, and length do I need to use?
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03-29-2017, 11:43 AM
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Rivet Master
2008 22' Safari
Spicewood (W of Austin)
, Texas
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 2,981
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Most trim is attached with common "pop" rivets. You'll need to look at each situation and decide the depth and diameter of the rivet to use. If you've never used pop-rivets, you might get the home depot guy to show you. They're pretty simple actually.
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03-29-2017, 11:46 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 13,668
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Also, once you determine length and diameter, Chek and see if blind pop rivets are available. They are water tight through the center barrel. Still seal the perimeter.
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03-29-2017, 12:03 PM
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Rivet Master
1955 22' Safari
Laredo
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,342
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I have a rivet gun and know how to install pop rivets. Just wanted to know recommended rivet length and diameter.
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03-29-2017, 12:05 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 13,668
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I wouldn't be comfortable enough with build consistency to claim any 2 units would be the same. I'd try and measures what you have.
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"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
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03-29-2017, 04:38 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1969 23' Safari
Blenheim
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 151
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Get 1/4 and 1/2. I'm sure you'll use both.
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03-29-2017, 04:39 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1969 23' Safari
Blenheim
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 151
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Just make sure they are aluminum with aluminum mandrel.
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03-29-2017, 06:11 PM
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Rivet Master
1986 34' Limited
1975 27' Overlander
1969 21' Globetrotter
Conifer
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,314
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I have good luck with the 5/32" diameter pop rivets. I keep three "grip ranges" in my tool box, I'll say short, medium and long. I also keep the larger 3/16" diameter pop rivets in stock too. I use these for bigger jobs like belly pan attachment.
I very seldom use the Olympic tri-fold rivets as they are very weak even though they can be shaved to look like a bucked rivet. Olympic rivets are for light duty jobs like holding the Airstream insignia on in my view. I used them for that job as they look pretty.
Bucked rivets are the strongest and seal the tightest. But alas, I haven't purchased a pneumatic riveter or bucking bar yet. Seldom to I have access to both sides of the piece I am repairing.
David
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03-29-2017, 07:00 PM
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Rivet Master
2008 22' Safari
Spicewood (W of Austin)
, Texas
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 2,981
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Anytime you want to seal a pop-rivet, just dip it into your preferred sealant before you "pop" it and let it cure. I've used Permatex #1 gasket sealant quite successfully, as well as RTV/Silicone in the appropriate locations.
Wipe off the excess and let it cure.
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05-15-2017, 09:08 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1976 25' Caravanner
Kent
, Washington
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 121
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dbj216
I have good luck with the 5/32" diameter pop rivets. I keep three "grip ranges" in my tool box, I'll say short, medium and long. I also keep the larger 3/16" diameter pop rivets in stock too. I use these for bigger jobs like belly pan attachment.
I very seldom use the Olympic tri-fold rivets as they are very weak even though they can be shaved to look like a bucked rivet. Olympic rivets are for light duty jobs like holding the Airstream insignia on in my view. I used them for that job as they look pretty.
Bucked rivets are the strongest and seal the tightest. But alas, I haven't purchased a pneumatic riveter or bucking bar yet. Seldom to I have access to both sides of the piece I am repairing.
David
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So you're saying don't bother with the Olympic rivets even if it's an exterior skin repair?
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05-15-2017, 10:25 AM
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Rivet Master
1967 17' Caravel
Oak Creek
, Colorado
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,560
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Olympic rivets are OK for exterior patches etc... You don't want to use them for structural repairs though . If it's structural then use bucked rivets.
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05-15-2017, 06:06 PM
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Rivet Master
1986 34' Limited
1975 27' Overlander
1969 21' Globetrotter
Conifer
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,314
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An Olympic tri-fold rivet is less than half as strong as a pop rivet, and pop rivets are less than half as strong as a solid bucked rivet. The long tri fold legs tend to hit other features behind the surface and get even weaker. Here is a photo of the business end of an Olympic rivet.
If you look at a rivet website, you will see where tri-fold rivets are used for assembling light duty materials, even wood and cardboard. The big spread of the tri fold legs keeps the rivet from pulling through.
One of our vintage Airstreams has some exterior skin repairs using Olympic rivets. We have seen a few of them break and fall out. But this can happen with a bucked rivet too, but less likely due to their strength.
I used Olympic rivets to "patch" a piece for the new furnace in my Trade Wind. I was not satisfied with the results.
I wish one of these rivet makers would design a strong blind aluminum "pop" rivet that the shank, or mandrel, would break above the rivet head so we then could shave it smooth like we do with the Olympic rivet. The Aircraft "Q" rivets are close. And very expensive.
David
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