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12-29-2024, 09:25 AM
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4 Rivet Member 
2019 28' Flying Cloud
Dripping Springs
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 339
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2019 FC 28 RBT: How to fix/remove/change the hallway door flapper?
I have a problem with this 'door flapper' hall closet design:
- It's difficult to open since there's no handle
- It's difficult to close securely since it's held by velcro only
- The flapper tends to flip open if hitting a large bump when driving...
- ... after which it has enough inertia to yank the entire door open...
- ... and then the contents of the closet fly out...
- ... finally the hall closet door destroys the hinges & screws!
If the AS design team has a choice between cheap & durable - they seemingly ALWAYS choose 'cheap.' You'd think this would be constructed like a plane or a boat, but no... it's like an outhouse.
Anyway, this is what I'm referring to:
Any ideas of what to do:
- Has anyone removed it completely?
- How to secure the accordion behind it?
- (Related question: any good substitutes for the accordion, like a regular curtain?)
- How about installing a regular latch of some kind to 100% hold the flap in place when driving?
- Any good way to attach a flush handle for help with opening?
- How about replacing the entire door & flap with a wider door?
TIA
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12-29-2024, 09:29 AM
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Rivet Master 
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
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try using brass ball latches
they are very strong and come in various sizes/strengths
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12-30-2024, 06:58 PM
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4 Rivet Member 
2019 28' Flying Cloud
Dripping Springs
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 339
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Thanks for the latch idea, I'll take a look to see if that would fit
In this thread someone installs a small round handle for grabbing the flap
https://www.airforums.com/forums/f54...ds-172548.html
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12-30-2024, 10:32 PM
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4 Rivet Member 

2018 28' Flying Cloud
Chapin
, South Carolina
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 336
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I installed a leather drawer pull. Holes in leather are slotted so it will lay flat allowing this door section to fold back against closet door as designed. Never had this open during travel. Actually, just the opposite. The movement during travel tightly connects the hook & loop, making the leather pull very handy.
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01-01-2025, 01:35 PM
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4 Rivet Member 
2019 28' Flying Cloud
Dripping Springs
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 339
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01-02-2025, 08:09 AM
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4 Rivet Member 

2018 28' Flying Cloud
Chapin
, South Carolina
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 336
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Kalashnikov, yes, just not as big or thick.
Mine is 1-1/8 × 5-1/8 × 1/8. The heavy duty steamer trunk pull would look fine, but the thicker leather means longer mounting posts and a greater chance of it not folding as flat against the mirror and worst case, cracking it.
If I did it correctly, what I ordered in in the link below. Size-small, hardware included. We did color Taupe, but many to pick from.
https://www.spinneybeck.com/shop/product/slider-pull
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01-06-2025, 10:19 AM
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4 Rivet Member 
2019 28' Flying Cloud
Dripping Springs
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 339
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Thanks, ordered!
I'll take a look at potential places to install a proper low-profile latch for the "flap", then I'll remove the velcro.
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01-06-2025, 10:24 AM
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Rivet Master 
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
, Texas & Wyoming
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,437
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalashnikov
I have a problem with this 'door flapper' hall closet design:
- It's difficult to open since there's no handle
- It's difficult to close securely since it's held by velcro only
- The flapper tends to flip open if hitting a large bump when driving...
- ... after which it has enough inertia to yank the entire door open...
- ... and then the contents of the closet fly out...
- ... finally the hall closet door destroys the hinges & screws!
If the AS design team has a choice between cheap & durable - they seemingly ALWAYS choose 'cheap.' You'd think this would be constructed like a plane or a boat, but no... it's like an outhouse.
Anyway, this is what I'm referring to:
Any ideas of what to do:
- Has anyone removed it completely?
- How to secure the accordion behind it?
- (Related question: any good substitutes for the accordion, like a regular curtain?)
- How about installing a regular latch of some kind to 100% hold the flap in place when driving?
- Any good way to attach a flush handle for help with opening?
- How about replacing the entire door & flap with a wider door?
TIA
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Yea; wife fixed ours right after we took delivery. She attached a small 1" wide by 3" long tan leather strap "loop" handle near the edge and on the inside has a strip of velcro. Pretty easy to do and 7 years now, works great, and looks great.
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01-07-2025, 08:57 AM
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Rivet Master 
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsydad
Yea; wife fixed ours right after we took delivery. She attached a small 1" wide by 3" long tan leather strap "loop" handle near the edge and on the inside has a strip of velcro. Pretty easy to do and 7 years now, works great, and looks great.
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If you want a picture, let me know.
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Summer-Star Valley Ranch RV Resort (Thayne, WY); Winter-Sun City (Georgetown,TX)
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01-08-2025, 07:59 AM
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4 Rivet Member 
2019 28' Flying Cloud
Dripping Springs
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 339
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsydad
If you want a picture, let me know.
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Yes please!
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01-10-2025, 09:25 AM
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4 Rivet Member 

2018 28' Flying Cloud
Chapin
, South Carolina
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 336
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The leather drawer pull.
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01-10-2025, 01:58 PM
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4 Rivet Member 
2019 28' Flying Cloud
Dripping Springs
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 339
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Looks good! AS should have included that.
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01-11-2025, 12:05 PM
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Rivet Master 
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalashnikov
Yes please!
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I forgot to take a picture yesterday while I was over at my storage. I will go take one today and post.
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2017 F250 King Ranch, 4X4, 6.7L, Blue-Ox WDH
Summer-Star Valley Ranch RV Resort (Thayne, WY); Winter-Sun City (Georgetown,TX)
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01-11-2025, 01:50 PM
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Rivet Master 
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
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Here are pics of what we did. Similar to earlier post above. Hope this helps. (Don't get confused with the picture of our bathroom door window in the closet mirror!)
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2017 F250 King Ranch, 4X4, 6.7L, Blue-Ox WDH
Summer-Star Valley Ranch RV Resort (Thayne, WY); Winter-Sun City (Georgetown,TX)
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01-13-2025, 10:18 AM
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Rivet Master 
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalashnikov
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Confusing; I thought you were looking for a "handle" for the door flap; what are all those parts for and the curtain? Curtain we have works just fine and folds up inside the "curtain closet". What am I missing?
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Empty Nesters; Gypsies on the road! 2017 28' Twin Flying Cloud
2017 F250 King Ranch, 4X4, 6.7L, Blue-Ox WDH
Summer-Star Valley Ranch RV Resort (Thayne, WY); Winter-Sun City (Georgetown,TX)
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01-13-2025, 01:26 PM
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4 Rivet Member 
2019 28' Flying Cloud
Dripping Springs
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 339
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Gypsy - replacing the accordion was one of my questions.
Anyway, the leather handle arrived finally. However the included hardware seems very long, there's about 3/8" extra left sticking out if I were to install this. Is that how it's supposed to be? I get that the handle should slide a little in those slots but are the metal posts also meant to slide back and forth through the door? I'd rather have them be somewhat snug:
- Total stud length = Door thickness + Handle Thickness
Can't cut them any shorter since the threaded end is only about 1/4", the rest of the stud is hollow with no threads.
Not excited about waiting another 1-2 weeks for replacement parts.
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01-13-2025, 03:47 PM
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Rivet Master 
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
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Join Date: Feb 2017
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cut it short
fell with epoxy, let it harden 24 hrs
re tap it
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01-13-2025, 06:31 PM
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4 Rivet Member 

2018 28' Flying Cloud
Chapin
, South Carolina
Join Date: Aug 2018
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I don't remember having to get creative when I installed my handle. I'm pretty sure I cut mine. If too long and can't be cut to length, I would either make a backing plate for the inside to take up the space. A quicker option may be to pick up a couple of nylon washers/spacers the needed thickness for the backside of the door. I drilled my holes so the posts are snug.
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01-13-2025, 08:25 PM
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Rivet Master 

2006 25' Safari
St. Augustine
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Quote:
Looks good! AS should have included that.
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Yes but isn't that the way it is. So many things we learn and add but I will say it also gives them ideas.
I remember adding a rear camera on Air Forums and posting and so many questions and compliments, "that looks OEM" and then guess what happened? LOL.
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