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Old 10-06-2017, 01:56 PM   #1
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Running generator all night to power A/C

Newbie here, so forgive any stupid question(s) please.
My wife and I like it COLD while sleeping, and we much prefer to boondock -- hence no shore power.
1) Is it OK -- advised/not advised to run the gas-fueled generator all night to power A/C through the night?
2) If we RARELY connect to shore power, does the generator, in addition to powering A/C, also charge up the house batteries simultaneously?

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Finally, upon Airstream customer service determining that the Airstream in question, has a gas-fueled Onan generator, they commented that the factory-installed generator, does NOT tolerate E85 fuel, well.

That begged the question from me: "Then was it bad design consideration(s) by Airstream, to install such a generator on an E85 Flex Fuel, vehicle chassis, knowing that the generator would be fueled by the E85 fuel, fairly regularly?"

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1) Is it OK -- advised/not advised to run the gas-fueled generator all night to power A/C through the night?
It's generally considered poor form, and marginally unsafe, to run any kind of internal combustion engine unattended by a wakeful person. A better solution would be to run the generator well before going to bed, and chill the van as cold as you can, then shut off the generator right before going to bed, and hope that the van won't warm up too much by morning. Besides, you'll sleep quieter without Iron Jenny throbbing away in your cellar.
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2) If we RARELY connect to shore power, does the generator, in addition to powering A/C, also charge up the house batteries simultaneously?
The generator should charge the house batteries.
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"Then was it bad design consideration(s) by Airstream, to install such a generator on an E85 Flex Fuel, vehicle chassis, knowing that the generator would be fueled by the E85 fuel, fairly regularly?"
First, Airstream can't be faulted for not installing an E85-tolerant generator in the Avenue. How many small E85-tolerant generators were available in 2010 when your 2011 Avenue was built? Probably not many. Of those, how many would fit in the space available for it in the van? Probably even fewer.
Second, even if the van was designed to accommodate E85 gasoline, how many people drive E85-tolerant vehicles but never put E85 in them? Just because one can doesn't necessarily mean one must.
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If youíre in love with boondocking and sleeping in the cold, stick to camping in high altitudes and high (really high) deserts where itíll be cold at night.

If you run a generator all night within earshot of any other campers, especially while boondocking, you stand a good chance of getting an irate visit from said highly irritated neighbors. Please, please, donít do that.

If you really need that kind of power all night, just camp somewhere with power hookups and give everyone else a break.

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We have run our generator in the bed of our truck all night so we can power our AC. This was in a Walmart with other trucks running. Added benefit was the AC fan noise blocked the other parking lot noises.

I would do it again but just be aware of any potential impact to others.
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I counted 13 RVs in my local Walmart one night last week. 4 or 5 had generators running.
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RVís that run generators at night tend to keep those around them awake, and doing this is considered very bad form...actually prohibited in National Parks and similar campgrounds, which instead have ďgenerator hoursĒ.

If you need your generator to run AC all night, do the polite thing and find a campsite with electricity rather than disturbing the peace of those around you.

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Ah, for me Walmart doesnít count as boondocking. Itís dry parking at a shopping center.
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If you need your generator to run AC all night, do the polite thing and find a campsite with electricity rather than disturbing the peace of those around you.

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I have been in a full hookup campsite and received a friendly suggestion in the morning that I not run my AC the next night and enjoy the fresh air.
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Ah, for me Walmart doesnít count as boondocking. Itís dry parking at a shopping center.
yup, same here
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So, is a generator at night at Walmart acceptable or offensive?
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Itís offensive if there are other campers around, for Peteís sake.

Maybe the sound of the generator running lulls some to sleep, but not those around them. And then, there are the fumes.

You would never be allowed to run a generator at night in a campground of any kind....again, it is considered very bad form to do so just because there isnít a campground host or park ranger to tell you not to.

Basic common courtesy.

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If there isn’t anyone else around, I would imagine it’s ok.
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Hi

Anyplace you are in a "formal" campground, you likely will have "quiet hours" at night. Even if generators are ok part of the time, once night hits .... not so much. That pretty much eliminates the generator in state, and national parks. It would not apply to areas where the next camper is a mile down the road ....

Is it safe? That's an entirely separate question. If my generator is running, it's being supervised....

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Finally, upon Airstream customer service determining that the Airstream in question, has a gas-fueled Onan generator, they commented that the factory-installed generator, does NOT tolerate E85 fuel, well.
I would not want an Onan generator running in the same coach I was sleeping, especially a van. If you do make sure you have a good carbon monoxide alarm.

No generator "tolerates E 85 fuel well", but they do run. I am not expert on Onan but I would make sure to drain and clean the carb at the end of the season.Am I correct in assuming the engine as well as the genie run off the same gas? For that matter mechanics I have talked to say all internal combustion engines seem to run with less problems on straight gas.
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Running generator all night to power A/C

What Maggie (Lily&Me) said.

Also, if youíre parked at Walmart, we donít care what you do, Ďcause we wonít be there.

Meanwhile, anybody notice the OP dropped an outrageous suggestion and then disappeared?
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Meanwhile, anybody notice the OP dropped an outrageous suggestion and then disappeared?
That often happens when the OP doesn't get the answer they want to hear.
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That often happens when the OP doesn't get the answer they want to hear.
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It happens with a *lot* of threads, good or bad answer. Somebody pops in, asks one of a couple dozen textbook questions. We all yack for a while on the details. The OP never really gets involved. A bit later down the road, same basic question from another new face ....

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Well, I ran my generator all night to power my AC. My RV Park has quiet hours but the power was out. I didnít have any neighbors, plus I was running an inverter generator which is quieter. I ran it SAFELY for 11 hours on a single tank of propane.

I slept like a baby at 70 degrees.

So it can be done. Yes. But be mindful of your surroundings, donít run it where the exhaust can accumulate and kill you, and be sure you are not annoying your neighbors.
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WHEW folks. Thanks for the baptism by FIRE

OP here. NOT lurking and NOT disappearing. I naively thought RV people were laid back folk. Don't FLAME me people.

I sure am glad I prefaced my newbie question by apologizing in advance for any STUPID questions.

Thanks for the MEMO. I get it now! NO OVERNIGHT GENERATOR RUNNING. Period. Exclamation mark!

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I ran it SAFELY for 11 hours on a single tank of propane.
"Didn't have an accident" is not necessarily the same as "safely." Safety is about eliminating risk. Not having an accident is about not falling afoul of a risk, even if there was a risk present. I'll concede that you did it safely if you can tell me what precautions you took to eliminate the risks of running a generator that wasn't being monitored.

Not to bust your chops, but one of my collateral duties at the Corps of Engineers was as a safety coordinator for Operations Division, including performing accident investigations, up to and including fatalities. Safety is one of my hot-button issues, and too many times I ran into situations where someone said, "I always did it that way before, and it was always safe." Right up until the one time that it wasn't. Because they mistook dodging a risk to be safety when it was really just luck. I ask about the precautions you took to ensure that it was safe, more for the education of others reading this thread than to give you a hard time.

In the OP's Avenue, the generator is built-in, and can't be moved a safe distance away. The gasoline generator in an Airstream Avenue creates a lot more CO than any propane-fueled generator. A generator running underneath a B-van generates a lot of heat; if parked on tall grassó as might happen when boondocking rather than parking on pavement or bare dirtó the heat generated could ignite a grass fire.

A propane vapor leak outside the B-van dissipates harmlessly into the air and never reaches the lower explosive limit concentration of 2.1% in air, so it will never ignite. A gasoline leak can ignite because the vapor concentration immediately above the spilled fuel can reach the lower explosive limit of 1.4% (gasoline has a lower LEL than propane). So running your propane generator unattended was inherently safer than running a gasoline generator for the same amount of time under the same conditions, and your efforts to eliminate any remaining risks might not be enough for the OP in the same situation.
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