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Old 05-04-2024, 08:46 PM   #1
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New Gray Outlet!

Hi All!
Itís a rainy day today so I decided to tackle an inside project Iíve been wanting to do for a while. Gray outlet over my galley to match all the stainless. Not black, not white, but gray. I ripped out the existing RV specific outlet. I picked up a gray shallow box, a gray shallow outlet, and a gray cover at Lowes. I had to open up the hole in the wall with a Dremel and a file to get the new box to fit. I stuffed some insulation in the hole before inserting the new outlet. The blue tape and black line above was a reference for measurements. Iím pleased with the look. I have another one to tackle another day.
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Old 05-05-2024, 08:16 AM   #2
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Nice Job....

I wish there was room for one of these outlets. I don't think they'll fit in a shallow box.
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Old 05-05-2024, 01:18 PM   #3
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Hi RxGuy
I was eyeing this at Home Depot, it has a finished look to it. The spacer is 1-inch deep. I'm thinking it could be mounted on top of a shallow box and accept a deeper receptical, like a GFI. No experience with it, just an idea in my head .

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Legrand-Wiremold-Non-Metallic-PVC-Raceway-15-Amp-Duplex-Receptacle-Box-Kit-with-Faceplate-and-Outlet-White-NMW2-D/100544174

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Hate to be critical of a nice job, but wouldn’t you be better off with a GFCI outlet above the galley?
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Old 05-05-2024, 01:50 PM   #5
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Hi field & stream
My Airstream is old enough that it evidently wasen't code at the time. And the flush look was simply more important to me. I honestly fussed over it, but codes have changed over the years. Most of the homes I owned never had GFI's over the counters. I'm not disagreeing, but I feel safe enough with my choice.
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Old 05-05-2024, 03:34 PM   #6
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Hi again.
Iíve been fussing enough to make a run to Home Depot and purchase a box extension. And another shallow box. Iím pretty sure this combination would work ok for the deeper outlets. The holes in the backplate line up with the shallow box, see yellow panduits. The backplate looks like it has a large cutout for a deep outlet. The spacer then snaps onto the backplate. I havenít tried it, but it looks like it would work ok.
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Old 05-05-2024, 04:43 PM   #7
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Hate to be critical of a nice job, but wouldnít you be better off with a GFCI outlet above the galley?
An ordinary outlet can be placed downstream of any GFCI outlet or C.B. and the entire circuit is protected. A simple way to acommplish this would be to install a GFCI C.B. at the converter.
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Hi field & stream
My Airstream is old enough that it evidently wasen't code at the time. And the flush look was simply more important to me. I honestly fussed over it, but codes have changed over the years. Most of the homes I owned never had GFI's over the counters. I'm not disagreeing, but I feel safe enough with my choice.
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That's strange for a 2003, my trailer (an 88) is not old enough to not require GFCI by code. Are you sure the breaker isn't GFCI?
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looks like the Leviton Model # R02-T5632-0BW is a shallow depth
saw it on home depot site
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Old 05-05-2024, 08:05 PM   #10
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looks like the Leviton Model # R02-T5632-0BW is a shallow depth
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I don't think so, it says it fits a standard box. The smallest standard box (18 cubic inches) is approximately 2-3/4 to 3" deep. There is no way that is going into one of the boxes the OP is using which are typically 8-9 cubic inches and about 1" to 1.25" deep. Not to mention box fill requirements, even a single duplex receptacle and a single dead end #12 Romex requires a minimum of 11.25 cubic inches.
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Old 05-05-2024, 08:28 PM   #11
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Just finished replacing my combo gfci + 15A breaker with a standard 20A breaker and a separate regular "slim" leviton gfci receptacle in the galley. The slim gfci receptacles are around 1" deep.

In my 2022 Globetrotter 27FB Twin, the galley receptacle is the first in a series chain of outlets. The exterior curbside electrical receptacle on outside wall of the trailer and the interior bathroom receptacle are both downstream of the galley receptacle and are thus protected by the new galley gfci.

I made this change because the combo gfci plus breaker is known to be a source of failure in Airstreams and are hard to obtain when camping in the middle of nowhere. Regular gfci outlets are available everywhere.

See photos. I apologize for the annoying photo rotation.
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Old 05-05-2024, 08:29 PM   #12
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Hi
I admit, I'm not an electrician, just a handyman (most of the time ).
I didnít know about GFI-breakers, I will check once I'm back in my Airstream, currently at a relatives. Obviously a GFI-breaker makes things a lot easier. Yes the shallow boxes are small, 1-1/4" deep. I was very carefull not to cross wires under the outlet. I fit the outlet carefully into the box with no extra wire but had about 3/4" of jacket still visible in the box. Then shoved the box in the wall. You'd probably have to pull the box out of the wall to work on it. I'm comfortable that it's safe, but its probably not to the letter of code.
I'm learning stuff from your comments, thanks all!
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Hi again.
I got these at Lowes a couple of days ago, over $6 each. This is what I used. They are reasonably shallow and they claim they are spec grade. They also have the wire clamps behind the screws, which I prefer. Anyhow I feel they are way better than the RV specific junk I removed.
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Old 05-05-2024, 09:59 PM   #14
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Hi again, and again .
Got home a little bit ago...
Is this breaker with test button a GFI breaker?
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Hi field & stream
My Airstream is old enough that it evidently wasen't code at the time. And the flush look was simply more important to me. I honestly fussed over it, but codes have changed over the years. Most of the homes I owned never had GFI's over the counters. I'm not disagreeing, but I feel safe enough with my choice.
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An ordinary outlet can be placed downstream of any GFCI outlet or C.B. and the entire circuit is protected. A simple way to acommplish this would be to install a GFCI C.B. at the converter.
Hi, my 2005 Safari 25-B has the GFCI circuit breaker at the convertor.
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Hi again, and again .
Got home a little bit ago...
Is this breaker with test button a GFI breaker?
A GFCI breaker would have a “test” button. (and so do some other “special” types…such as AFCI (arc-fault circuit interrupter) types. I hope someone hasn’t inappropriately swapped types (very unlikely).

….AND they should occasionally be tested. They can and do fail.
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Hi again, and again .
Got home a little bit ago...
Is this breaker with test button a GFI breaker?
Yes it is. Push the test button and your bath, galley and outside receps should go dead. To restore, force the handle hard to "OFF" then back to "ON"
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Hi all
Working on my outside outlet today. It's 89-deg in the shade under my Airstream and I'm working on the sunny side, so taking a break and hydrating . As you can see the outlet is overdue for replacement. It basically crumbled as I was trying to remove it. It was really difficult to remove as it was lathered with caulk on the inside of the Airstream. I'll update the post later. Enjoy the handymans porn.
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Hi all

On the galley outlet post above I did one outlet with one romex. I carefully cut the individual wire lengths and bent the wires so as to fit neatly within the tight box. Basically you have to fit the outlet into the box, and then fit the box into the wall, with no extra wire in the box. Not really any different from the RV specific outlets I replaced. I was very pleased and comfortable with the end result.

Later I installed a second galley outlet that had two romex. The installation was not nearly as tidy. Wires were crossing under the outlet with pressure from the back of the shallow box. I had to join the two ground wires into a pigtail which also consumed space. I was not nearly as comfortable with the second outlet.

Where I’m heading with these comments. My outside outlet ends up behind my galley drawers that are under the sink. If I pull the drawers out I can actually touch both of the yellow romex wires heading thru the outside wall. So my plan is to install a junction box on the inside of the (outside wall) but behind my galley drawers. There is plenty of room and it’s accessible. And thus use another shallow box for with a standard heavy duty outlet and aluminum cover for my outside outlet with a single romex.

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It's 83-deg in the shade under my Airstream and I'm working on the sunny side. Taking a break and hydrating. Cleaned up and enlarged the opening. A lot of hand filling to get the electrical box to fit just-snug. You can see the inner aluminum wall with a black chaff guard, and also a inner fender flange in the outlet hole. Enjoy the pics.
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