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04-02-2010, 04:06 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2008 20' Safari SE
Charlotte
, North Carolina
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 147
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Miswired Outlet?
Every time we set up at a new camp site, one of the first things I do is check the electrical outlet using one of those outlet checkers with the three lights (red-yellow-yellow). If it matters, I have a regular 20amp tester attached to a 30amp-20amp converter plug, so that I can test the 30amp outlet directly rather than the 20amp outlet. Today - for the first time - my checker said that my outlet was wired wrong. Hot-Neutral Reversed.
Worried that the tester was wrong, I tested other outlets nearby and found that they all tested 'correct'. That, plus the fact that the outlet looked much newer than the others nearby, caused me to conclude that the outlet was probably wrong. So I reported this to the campground office, they called their electrician, and while we were away from the camp site, the electrician came by, tested the outlet, and reported that 'outlet ok. neutral is not hot."
Great. Except that I check again and my tester still says Hot-Neutral Reversed. Is it possible that my checker is wrong? Or that maybe it's right but the fault is not important? I don't want to get in an argument wit the CG office or their electrician, but am not comfortable plugging in to the not-neutral reversed outlet. In the meantime, I pulled out the extension cord and plugged in to the outlet in the next site over, praying that they keep their promise not to assign anybody to that site.
(I'm sorry if this subject has already been discussed on the forums. We are actually at a campground right now with a really limited internet connection, and I don't know enough about the subject matter to construct a good search query.)
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04-02-2010, 04:14 PM
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Site Team
2002 25' Safari
Dewey
, Arizona
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It is very important.
I would rater upset the campground then to fry something or someone because the power is wired wrong.
I would tell the campground what I found and if they choose not to correct the problem, move to a different site.
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Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
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04-02-2010, 04:20 PM
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Since only one CG outlet tests bad, your tester is probably correct, especially if you can repeat the test over and over. Reversed polarity is most dangerous to electronics.
I think you are doing the right thing. The CG "electrician" may be the CG "handyman" who doesn't know how to use a tester properly.
Gene
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04-02-2010, 04:21 PM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
Princeton
, New Jersey
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You are correct and well advised to plug into the next site. If the ground was wet and you had plugged into that receptacle and you touched the trailer you would have felt it.
Within the trailer neutral and ground at at the same potential. When wired wrong that is not something you want.
Years ago we had one in Idaho. My friend plugged in and all was great. Then someone came in and plugged in on the next site. Then My friend had 70 volts on the skin of his trailer. The campground said they knew it but had not fixed it. They may have better than the average insurance. Luckily we caught it before someone got laid out on the ground.
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04-02-2010, 04:50 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2008 20' Safari SE
Charlotte
, North Carolina
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 147
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Thanks, everybody. I am feeling a lot better about my decision.
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04-03-2010, 05:46 PM
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Obsessed with Moonunit
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.7 Metre
Love It Here
, Colorado
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may I ask where to get the outlet checker you refer to in the 1st post? Is it something you can get at an electric supply or is it a Home Depot item?
thanks
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"When a great ship is in harbour and moored, it is safe, there can be no doubt. But that is not what great ships are built for." by Clarissa Pinkola-Estes, author of ‘Women Who Run With the Wolves’
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04-03-2010, 06:18 PM
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
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I think it's an RV item and I seem to have a vague memory os seeing them in an RV store. You can try other places because they all will be cheaper than an RV store.
Gene
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04-03-2010, 06:49 PM
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Rivet Master
1956 22' Flying Cloud
1953 32' Liner
1955 22' Safari
Valley View
, Texas
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Easy to find
Any Home Depot has 'em hanging on the display rack. Cheap too.
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04-03-2010, 06:49 PM
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Site Team
2002 25' Safari
Dewey
, Arizona
Join Date: Mar 2005
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You can find them at RV stores and most home improvement stores as well.
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Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
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04-03-2010, 07:08 PM
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Rivet Master
2004 25' Classic
Prescott
, Arizona
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Amazon has them also, just ordered one!
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04-03-2010, 08:34 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1980 31' Excella II
Drummond Island
, Michigan
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Some Airstreams have them already wired into the trailer. My '80 Excella has a polarity light located on the outside skin just above where the power cord comes out of the bumper. It only lights if polarity is reversed.
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04-03-2010, 11:37 PM
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Rivet Master
2010 22' Interstate
Anchorage
, Alaska
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You could use an inexpensive voltmeter (I carry a little DVM all the time) and remove any remaining doubt. I use the same little tester too but if I encountered the situation you describe, it would be easy to verify with a DVM.
Good luck,
WS in AK
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2010 Interstate 3500 Twin Bed
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04-04-2010, 10:33 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2008 20' Safari SE
Charlotte
, North Carolina
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Great idea, wayneskid. We happen to keep a multimeter in the coach (thanks to whomever suggested it in the "If Only I'd Thought To Bring" thread) . With a little help from the instructions I dug up at RV Electric I was able to confirm that Neutral was indeed Hot.
I use the inexpensive ($5) outlet checker that AZflycaster pictured, except that I have it connected to a ($10) 30amp-20amp converter plug so I can test the big outlet that I intend to plug in to, rather than the little 20a outlets next to it.
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04-04-2010, 10:57 AM
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Site Team
2002 25' Safari
Dewey
, Arizona
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Quote:
Originally Posted by teagues
I use the inexpensive ($5) outlet checker that AZflycaster pictured, except that I have it connected to a ($10) 30amp-20amp converter plug so I can test the big outlet that I intend to plug in to, rather than the little 20a outlets next to it.
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That is a great idea. Just because one is wired correctly does not make the other correct. I always check after the plug is attached and maybe it's too late at that point. I'll get one of those adapters next trip to the RV store.
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Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
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04-04-2010, 11:54 AM
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Obsessed with Moonunit
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.7 Metre
Love It Here
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2002
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Thanks for the info and the picture (pictures rule!) we have the amp converter plug already. Never have run into a problem, but with budget cuts and slower economy, seems a problem could be in the making!
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"When a great ship is in harbour and moored, it is safe, there can be no doubt. But that is not what great ships are built for." by Clarissa Pinkola-Estes, author of ‘Women Who Run With the Wolves’
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