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Old 02-17-2020, 08:27 PM   #1
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LongLongHoneymoon Install #LoLoHo

Ok guys,
I talked to Sean tonight, as they have arrived home from Thailand to iron out the details on their solar install. We will be starting the install on Monday. I’m hoping we can get it done in 5 long days. I’m not sure how fast we can work with the filming process being the focus, but it should move along at a respectable clip.
Many of you may have seen in the “Pleased to Announce” thread (https://www.airforums.com/forums/f44...ce-203799.html) that I will have the honor of installing Sean and Kristy from the LongLongHoneymoon Youtube channel’s Solar!
There will be several videos on their channel about the install, but this will be the Official sneak peek thread (I can post faster than Sean can edit).
Follow along on this wonderful adventure and feel free to chime in with questions throughout the process. It’s going to be a lot of fun!
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:12 PM   #2
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Ok, this should be fun to follow!
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:36 PM   #3
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Yeah, this should be fun! Really enjoyed the Airstreaming in Germany video--very interesting.

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Old 02-17-2020, 10:38 PM   #7
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Yup. As all us folks in the Department of Overkill Engineering know, when the smoke leaks out, the gadgets invariably quit working instantly.

That’s why we all refer to the first power-up of ANY new system as a “smoke test”.

The worst one I ever heard of was back in the 1960s at the RCA mainframe computer manufacturing facility in West Palm Beach, Florida. Their computers used RTL circuitry, core memory, and lots of blinking lights. They ran really slow, and were not that powerful, but at the time, the RCA 301 was pretty much state of the art. Your digital wristwatch is probably smarter nowadays.

In those days the power supply occupied three double depth 24” wide 9 foot tall rack cabinets. They were crammed full of huge transformers, rectifiers, and rack upon rack of huge capacitors to smooth out the power. This was distributed to the other parts of the system by huge custom built underfloor cables and connectors, and the lights would dim when you powered up these beasts.

The power was distributed inside the logic and memory racks with a bunch of heavy copper buss bars inside a steel cover. There were hundreds of amps of DC power in there. Ground, +6,5 volts, +13 volts, and -19.5 volts. There were NO protective fuses or circuit breakers on the DC side of these massive power supplies.

The usual practice when first powering up and troubleshooting these beasts was to remove the cover on the buss bars to measure voltage and check for excess current by carefully feeling the bus bar connections. No big deal at the voltages involved.

One of the troubleshooting techs, however, was an amateur rodeo cowboy, and came to work one Monday morning wearing a shiny new prize belt buckle darn near as big as his head.

Somehow he leaned just a little too close to the buss bar box, and shorted ALL FOUR of the bars together with his shiny metal belt buckle. Thunder, lightning and extreme heat followed rather quickly.

When his buddies heard the bang, and saw the flash, they remotely killed the power, grabbed fire extinguishers and put out the fire on his clothing.

After several months in the hospital, lots of skin grafts, and a bunch of reconstructive surgery, he was back at work, missing a belly button and sporting some spectacular scars. History does not record if he was still able to father children after the event.

The offending belt buckle was effectively arc-welded into the bus bar box, and it and that part of the box was later cut out and mounted on the wall as a warning about what could happen. No, he didn’t get it back either.

I saw that trophy as a young College student studying electronics on a tour of the factory. Our Professor made a point of telling the story and pointing out the nasty trophy on the wall.

As you can well imagine, I stay way clear of high power or high voltage stuff and use very safe practices when I’m busy troubleshooting stuff even to this day. My later Navy Data Systems Technician A school training just served to reinforce the lesson.

Y’all be careful out there. And no, I absolutely won’t laugh at you when you gingerly throw a remote circuit breaker to power up the stuff you just installed from about ten feet or more away. I do that all the time, and don’t feel the least little bit silly doing it.
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I heard a story about a painter that sat a metal bucket of paint across the -48 volt power and ground buss bars in a telephone central office. That was a mess to clean up. Luckily no one injured.

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They are our favorite rv youtube couple! Will be following along...
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Old 02-18-2020, 05:14 AM   #11
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I'm happy to follow along. Thanks for the invite. Should be interesting, educational and fun!
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Watching too! Not sure if we are ready for solar yet.
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Old 02-18-2020, 07:42 AM   #13
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As too, “The What” we will be doing with the Solar/inverter install along with other items......

The Trailer: 2003 25’ Airstream Classic, rear east/west Queen. One Air conditioner in the front with MicroAir Easy Start already installed. All factory electrical with 30A AC service panel in rear bedroom cabinet. NO factory or aftermarket inverter installed. All DC power distribution, Converter/Charger, fuses switches are located under the couch in the front of the trailer.

Here is a list of what we will be doing as of right now.

NEW Front Stainless Segment Protectors
Replace all beltline and rubrail chrome trim
NEW Airstream Logos on the front and rear end caps
NEW Maxim Skylight
Seal tool as needed
Hardwire Progressive Dynamic Surge Protector
Remove single stage charger
Remove/ Rework ALL factory DC distribution. No more Rats Nest....
Replace all “ShortStop” fuse with ATO fuses and panel. (At least that’s the plan....)
Remove factory Disconnect switch and replace with 600A BlueSea switch
400 watts of Renogy Eclipse panels on the roof with custom mounting brackets
Run 4AWG wire from inside solar controller location to a rooftop combiner box (through the fridge vent)
4 BattleBorn LiFePo4 batteries (400 usable Ah) mounted inside the trailer.
1/0 copper run to supply the DC distribution system. (28’ run)
Victron MultiPlus 12/3000-120 charging the batteries and feeding the entire 30A service of the trailer.
Victron Color GX monitor with Remote/Global WiFi monitoring and control capabilities
Victron BMV 712
Victron 100/50 Smart Solar controller
All BlueSea system fuses, fuse blocks, breakers, switches, bus bars, and distribution panels
Selterm UL listed marine tinned crimp lugs terminated using a Burndy UL listed crimp tool.
Renogy DC-DC 40 Charger connected to (Seemore, their truck) via Anderson Powerpole plugs.

I think that’s most of it. Anywho.
Follow along it’s going to be a lot of fun.
Questions, Comments, “Suggestions”, post them.

I can take the abuse just keep it clean.
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Be sure to inspect both shore power ports to be sure the trailer skin hasn't in any way damaged the wires' insulation. When we did our solar upgrade, we found that on the side port the trailer skin had managed to cut through the insulation for one of the wires, which would eventually have led to a very unpleasant result. We called it "Sparky," and then had the situation resolved before anyone could get hurt.
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Be sure to inspect both shore power ports to be sure the trailer skin hasn't in any way damaged the wires' insulation. When we did our solar upgrade, we found that on the side port the trailer skin had managed to cut through the insulation for one of the wires, which would eventually have led to a very unpleasant result. We called it "Sparky," and then had the situation resolved before anyone could get hurt.
The trailer only has one Shore Power input and it is a Hard Wired cable on a reel (No 30A plug on the side of the trailer) All the Internal Shore Power wire will be replace due to the need to pass all power through the MultiPlus and not wanting to make “joints” in the wire.
We will run new 10-2 romex from the shore power to the Progressive Dynamics hardwired surge protector, then to a 30A Single Pole Disconnect, then to the MultiPlus. From there power will be supplied to the main AC panel.
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LoLoHo had some work done at Vinnie's Northside. Cosmetic panels replaced. The end result is Vinnie's has so much work, he's not taking new orders.
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Can't wait to see the install. Will be watching closely because I want something similar done to our '19 30' Classic.
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Old 02-18-2020, 09:27 AM   #18
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My wife and I follow L0L0ho every Sunday when they release a video. We've supported them in the past.

See if you can get Sean to post here in the thread while this installation is going on. It could be fun to have his comments!

I am interested in a similar installation for my Classic. We currently have 450 watts of power on the roof but feed the factory Lifeline AGM batteries. I would love to move up to a 3 Battleborn installation. I might ask you to keep a slot open for me in November!

I will be following this installation with much interest!
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Renogy DC-DC 40 Charger connected to (Seemore, their truck) via Anderson Powerpole plugs.

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Interesting project. It will be fun and useful to follow along.

Have you considered the relatively new Renogy 50A DC-DC converter. Not only can you connect to the alternator of the tow vehicle but it has an input for a connection from solar panels. Might be worth a look. If not for this project, perhaps future installation. We added the 50A DC to DC converter to our system although we are not using the solar input at this time. It does a great job handling the charge from the tow vehicle. For reference, here's a link to the installation we added to our trailer & tow vehicle.

https://www.airforums.com/forums/f37...le-202849.html

For your LoLoHo project... Don't forget the StepStick. LoLoHo's life will definitely be better with a StepStick.
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Will certainly be following. Am very interested in the Victron settings. Am curious to know if I would ever change them based on varying conditions. I am also curious about the Dc-Dc truck charging. I love running wires.
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