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Old 05-10-2021, 06:59 PM   #21
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Ford says they are using the 35 kw electric motor for recharging. If they use it at full rated capacity, that is still a very low load factor, around 10%. If they derate it for idle rpm, then even worse. Plus the stop start cycling. Wonder if it will reach operating temperature.
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Old 05-12-2021, 03:20 AM   #22
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Hello Airstream Forum World!

This is my first post here so please be kind in case I am doing this wrong

Has anyone used an F150 PowerBoost as the main generator source? Looks like it might be the perfect match!

I am taking delivery of my 30' FC Office 2022 model in November, 2021.
Wondering if you [the OP of this thread] are following the discussion? Your total post count is still "1" .

FYI the Ford F-150 thread here has an interesting recent post with a link to another forum. [hot link in blue]

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Old 05-16-2021, 09:41 AM   #23
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Hello Airstream Forum World!

This is my first post here so please be kind in case I am doing this wrong

Has anyone used an F150 PowerBoost as the main generator source? Looks like it might be the perfect match!

I am taking delivery of my 30' FC Office 2022 model in November, 2021.

Welcome to the forum! We just picked up our trailer with an F150 and love the combo towing in the cascades.

Plugging into the truck for powers a great idea. Our trucks a couple of years old so we don’t have that option. In any event I wouldn’t worry at all with the F150 as a generator, it’s rated for the power, and it is in fact a generator, and since Ford sells it, they warrant it, plus technically it just makes sense. With a gas engine in the F150 it’ll be quiet and warm up and last and Fords designed it to run heavy tools, all day everyday.

You’ll get tons of advice, particularly on tow vehicles. Worth reading for info but in the end very polarized, make the choice you like best. We’re in ours now and the experience is fantastic.
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More or less you are charging a battery with a battery when you plug your AS into the PowerBoost. Eventually you get back to re-charging the first battery with a mechanical device. As a backup / emergency sort of thing, sure go for it. As something to do on a regular basis, a small (possibly propane fired) generator sounds like a better choice.

Why? The more steps / more conversions in that chain from "burning fuel" to "power into the load" the more is lost. Each step has a loss associated with it ( normally multiple sources of loss). The closer you get to a single step, the less you waste.

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Old 05-16-2021, 10:18 AM   #25
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Plugging into the truck for powers a great idea. Our trucks a couple of years old so we don’t have that option. In any event I wouldn’t worry at all with the F150 as a generator, it’s rated for the power, and it is in fact a generator, and since Ford sells it, they warrant it, plus technically it just makes sense. With a gas engine in the F150 it’ll be quiet and warm up and last and Fords designed it to run heavy tools, all day everyday.
Warranties are generally written to cover defects in parts, materials, and workmanship, not specifically to cover fitness for purpose. That may be an implied warrant depending on your local laws. Warranties specifically exclude wear and tear.

I am sure it will work. The issue is what the negative effects will be for extended idling. Occasional use should be just fine.

From the 2020 Ford owners manual:

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Note: Idling in cold weather does not heat the engine to its normal operating temperature. Long periods of idling, especially in cold weather, can cause a buildup of deposits which can cause engine damage.
It is worse in cold weather, but also an issue in normal temperatures. That is why Ford calls extended idling Severe Service and shortens the service intervals. The same manual says that after extended idling, don’t shut the engine off, but rather drive it at normal speed first.

This year, Ford has included an automatic start/stop system for extended idle/shutdown cycling. It would be interesting to know what they changed, if anything, in the base engine design, and what their estimation of increased engine wear is.
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Warranties are generally written to cover defects in parts, materials, and workmanship, not specifically to cover fitness for purpose. That may be an implied warrant depending on your local laws. Warranties specifically exclude wear and tear.

I am sure it will work. The issue is what the negative effects will be for extended idling. Occasional use should be just fine.

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It is worse in cold weather, but also an issue in normal temperatures. That is why Ford calls extended idling Severe Service and shortens the service intervals. The same manual says that after extended idling, don’t shut the engine off, but rather drive it at normal speed first.

This year, Ford has included an automatic start/stop system for extended idle/shutdown cycling. It would be interesting to know what they changed, if anything, in the base engine design, and what their estimation of increased engine wear is.
That’s only for the diesel, not an option for or needed with the gas engines.
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That’s only for the diesel, not an option for or needed with the gas engines.
Deposit buildup due to light load operation has long been an issue, and not just with diesels.

Ford shortens the service interval for all fuel types. Idling is just hard on an engine.

Premature engine failure due to extended light load operation was never covered by warranty, for the decades that I had responsibility for customer support, service delivery, and warranty programs at a (non Ford) dealership.
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If you dig into buying a used truck, one of the things you are supposed to do is to read out the onboard computer's data. In that pile of information is the hours spend at idle and hours of run time. The normal advice is not to buy a truck with a lot of idle run hours on it. Just what constitutes a lot ... no idea.

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If you dig into buying a used truck, one of the things you are supposed to do is to read out the onboard computer's data. In that pile of information is the hours spend at idle and hours of run time. The normal advice is not to buy a truck with a lot of idle run hours on it. Just what constitutes a lot ... no idea.

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I think the SWAG is that you look for an average speed (odometer miles over engine hours) of over 30 mph.
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Hey, just a few random thoughts about the 2021 Ford F-150 PowerBoost with 7.2kW generator:

> I drove a brand new one for 2 weeks and it's everything you could have imagined: plenty strong, tough, supremely comfortable and yes, fuel efficient for a nearly 6k lb 4x4 supercrew.

> yes, it'll power an RV trailer via its 30 amp 3-phase connector. in fact, during the Texas February ice storm, Ford Dealers down there lent these PowerBoost F-150s to residents so they could power their homes' furnaces and refrigerators (and more). Anecdotal responses from folks who did this (or used their own PowerBoost F-150s this way) say that 1-2 days of running their homes consumed about 1/4 tank of fuel.

> I didn't max out the 7.2kW generator, but I used the 20 amp 120 v outlets multiple times to run my electric leaf blower and weed wacker and shop vac. It was so incredibly convenient! I loved it.

> Yeah, a portable gen might be cheaper -- but come on! Unless you can deadlift 400 lbs, how are you gonna put that 7kW gas generator in the bed of your truck? And are you worried about it getting stolen? And what about rain? And what about noise? All these concerns evaporate when you get the PowerBoost.

> I am not a powertrain engineer, so I can't definitively "poo poo" the previous posters' claims about "engine wear," and "start 'n stop" wear, and battery destruction, etc... But I'm gonna poo poo those claims. The F-150 is Ford's crown jewel and they aren't going to willingly mess up its reputation.

Treat the truck well, service it according to its maintenance intervals, and go out and have fun! The truck is amazing. Buy it. Use it to boondock. You'll love it.
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Hey, just a few random thoughts about the 2021 Ford F-150 PowerBoost with 7.2kW generator:

> I drove a brand new one for 2 weeks and it's everything you could have imagined: plenty strong, tough, supremely comfortable and yes, fuel efficient for a nearly 6k lb 4x4 supercrew.

> yes, it'll power an RV trailer via its 30 amp 3-phase connector. in fact, during the Texas February ice storm, Ford Dealers down there lent these PowerBoost F-150s to residents so they could power their homes' furnaces and refrigerators (and more). Anecdotal responses from folks who did this (or used their own PowerBoost F-150s this way) say that 1-2 days of running their homes consumed about 1/4 tank of fuel.

> I didn't max out the 7.2kW generator, but I used the 20 amp 120 v outlets multiple times to run my electric leaf blower and weed wacker and shop vac. It was so incredibly convenient! I loved it.

> Yeah, a portable gen might be cheaper -- but come on! Unless you can deadlift 400 lbs, how are you gonna put that 7kW gas generator in the bed of your truck? And are you worried about it getting stolen? And what about rain? And what about noise? All these concerns evaporate when you get the PowerBoost.

> I am not a powertrain engineer, so I can't definitively "poo poo" the previous posters' claims about "engine wear," and "start 'n stop" wear, and battery destruction, etc... But I'm gonna poo poo those claims. The F-150 is Ford's crown jewel and they aren't going to willingly mess up its reputation.

Treat the truck well, service it according to its maintenance intervals, and go out and have fun! The truck is amazing. Buy it. Use it to boondock. You'll love it.
Thanks for that; pretty impressive report!
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The 30 amp output is reportedly 240 volts, not 120. There are two 20 amp 120 volt outlets and the 240 volt outlet rated for 30 amps. I haven't seen one in person, but I'm guessing that it'll be an L14-30 twist-lock.
I own one of these and have been posting about it in the tow vehicles section of the forum. The 7200 Watt inverter in my F-150 has four outlets In the bed of the truck. Three of them are standard three prong 20 amp 120V outlets like you would have in your house.

The fourth outlet is a 30 amp twist lock socket that has two hot legs, a neutral, and a ground. You can use this outlet as either one or two 30 amp 120-volt circuits, or a 30 amp 240 volt circuit, or a combination of the two.

My Airstream requires a 30 amp, 120 volt circuit - so I purchased a dog bone adapter that simply uses one of the two hot legs (Ford calls the leg it uses circuit B) plus the neutral and the ground from the twist lock connector...

It works well, and the f150 motor turns on about every 10 minutes when I'm running the air conditioner in the Airstream. It is not remotely silent unfortunately, both the F150 motor as well as the inverter make noise that I think most people would find objectionable at a campground during quiet time.



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So far using the F150 as a mega-sized mobile generator has been working well for me.

On another forum, an F150 owner was having trouble getting his truck to work with a rented Airstream. The Airstream was flipping the GFI protection built into the F150's pro-power inverter. I have had no such troubles.

When I re-wired my Airstream to add two updated power inlets and a transfer switch, I could see that Neutral and Ground are not bonded in my Airstream. I also have a GFI breaker in my Airstream for the kitchen circuit. I can report that the combo works well - that other poster must have had a neutral to ground short somewhere inside his rented Airstream.

There is an outside chance that very new Airstreams have self-testing GFIs that could trip an upstream GFI-protected circuit - but I doubt it - the new National Electrical Code is going to require RV parks to start to install GFI protection on their 30AMP and 50AMP circuits - so if there is some wierd factory problem in new Airstreams with internal line voltage circuitry that trips upstream GFIs, I'm sure we will start hearing about it.

The only complaint I have is my pro-power inverter is making a loud buzzing noise when under load. It would be very annoying for nearby tent campers. There haven't been any other reports of loud inverters in the F150 forums, so I suspect I may need a replacement or some other fix.

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So far using the F150 as a mega-sized mobile generator has been working well for me.

On another forum, an F150 owner was having trouble getting his truck to work with a rented Airstream. The Airstream was flipping the GFI protection built into the F150's pro-power inverter. I have had no such troubles.

When I re-wired my Airstream to add two updated power inlets and a transfer switch, I could see that Neutral and Ground are not bonded in my Airstream. I also have a GFI breaker in my Airstream for the kitchen circuit. I can report that the combo works well - that other poster must have had a neutral to ground short somewhere inside his rented Airstream.

There is an outside chance that very new Airstreams have self-testing GFIs that could trip an upstream GFI-protected circuit - but I doubt it - the new National Electrical Code is going to require RV parks to start to install GFI protection on their 30AMP and 50AMP circuits - so if there is some wierd factory problem in new Airstreams with internal line voltage circuitry that trips upstream GFIs, I'm sure we will start hearing about it.

The only complaint I have is my pro-power inverter is making a loud buzzing noise when under load. It would be very annoying for nearby tent campers. There haven't been any other reports of loud inverters in the F150 forums, so I suspect I may need a replacement or some other fix.

https://youtu.be/6jjaKLKgXtk
Great post, useful and concise. We're using a Honda EU3000is (quiet time only) at the moment and would much prefer the F150 setup. Appreciate the concise informative info.
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I’m thinking ahead while reading this. My International 25FB had a shore power inlet on both the left rear and front. My 30’ Flying Cloud bunk has one shore power connection about half way down the left side. To make matters worse, it’s a smart plug which sticks out a good foot when plugged in. It would be nice to power up while driving, the refrigerator could run off shore power rather than propane. Not quite sure if it would be hard on the AC or not... it would be nice to have the AS cool once we reach ours destination. Is the additional front shore power included with the international upgrade? If so, I guess that’s one more reason they should offer the bunk in a few more trim levels. In a perfect world where I could add an additional front shore power connection. Would there be a significant hit on mileage turning the large alternator under load?
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I’m thinking ahead while reading this. My International 25FB had a shore power inlet on both the left rear and front. My 30’ Flying Cloud bunk has one shore power connection about half way down the left side. To make matters worse, it’s a smart plug which sticks out a good foot when plugged in. It would be nice to power up while driving, the refrigerator could run off shore power rather than propane. Not quite sure if it would be hard on the AC or not... it would be nice to have the AS cool once we reach ours destination. Is the additional front shore power included with the international upgrade? If so, I guess that’s one more reason they should offer the bunk in a few more trim levels. In a perfect world where I could add an additional front shore power connection. Would there be a significant hit on mileage turning the large alternator under load?
I don't think so. I only uses a few horsepower to run the generator, which is in turn charging the Hybrid batteries, which in turn feeds the inverter.
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I’m thinking ahead while reading this. My International 25FB had a shore power inlet on both the left rear and front. My 30’ Flying Cloud bunk has one shore power connection about half way down the left side. ...<snip>... Is the additional front shore power included with the international upgrade?
IIRC, the factory deletes the front power connector if your AS requires 50A service / has a second A/C unit installed. Not sure why.
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I too am ready to order a F150 to pull my incoming 25ft IC, despite some of the suggestions around a portable generator that usually are around 2K Watts I am thinking of ordering the 7200 version and using this as a generator when needed. Its new technology in a truck and I would argue it's geared for more than a circular saw. But will be truly interested in hearing how it works in real world.
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