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Old 10-05-2003, 11:49 AM   #21
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Whoa! Am I reading this correctly? 596 lbs of cargo capacity for the 25 CCD?

With 39 gallons in the fresh tank, 6 in the water heater, and 3 in the black tank, at 8 lbs/gallon, that's 384 lbs. Add 60 for LP and you're up to 444 lbs.

Does that mean you only have 150 lbs left for food, cookware, dinnerware, utensils, cleaning and bathing supplies, toiletries, linens and clothes, TV, DVD, VCR, satellite receiver, inverter, and notebook computer and printer (amongst other things I may have missed)?

You'd DEFINITELY want a tote tank if you added another 5 gallons and 40 lbs of water!

What's the GVWR on a 25 CCD?
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Old 10-05-2003, 01:32 PM   #22
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Maurice,

Thanks for all of your knowledge. You have definitely given me a lot to think about.

To answer your question, the GVWR for the 25' International CCD is 6,300 lbs.

At this point, I feel like there is so much for me to consider regarding running times, loads, generators to purchase, that I just feel that the best thing for me to do is to run a few trial runs in front of the house and just start figuring out what it takes to make everything work.

One question I do have about inverters, is if I were to wait on buying the generator but needed something in the mean time.

I took a look at the Exceltech inverters that you mentioned. I noticed that they are offered in either a 12-volt or 24-volt version. Which one should I be looking to purchase? What is the difference? I assume the 12-volt is for the TT and the 24-volt is for the car's cigarette lighter?

Since it is starting to get cool in AZ, I do not think that I will have to worry about the generator for a few months. The device that I do think that I will need quicker is something to run the satellite box or charge my computer. From what you said, the 125 model should be fine.

With that said? How would I hard wire this product into the Airstream? It looks like the 24-volt model has a cigarette lighter tip. Can this be plugged into the AS or will it melt something?

If the unit is hard wired into the system, do I have to make sure that where it is hard wired in, is where I am going to use my computer or have my sat box sitting? I assume that although you hard wire the unit into the system, it doesn't mean that all the outlets in your TT are energized?

Since I really don't know much about all of this, I can only assume that the tote tank you were referring to was for waste product. Wouldn't this only be necessary if I was away for more than a week or so?

Thanks again.
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Old 10-05-2003, 01:50 PM   #23
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Maurice,

You had asked if I had given any thought to where I was planning on setting up my laptop while I am on the road.

At this point, I had thought that when I needed to use my laptop, I would use it at the dinette.

In terms of the satellite, I would like to mount it in a permeant position. My CCD was ordered with a built in TV & DVD so I am not sure where the best place to mount the satellite will be. Any suggestions?
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Old 10-05-2003, 02:17 PM   #24
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Back to weight...

Maurice -- Where are you getting the 596 lbs of cargo capacity? Let's plot the info of the Airstream specifications pages (Info for 25' trailers, weights in pounds):

__________Safari SS__CCD SS__Classic

Axle System.....6000.......6000.......7000
GVWR...............6300.......6300.......7300
Base Wt...........5270.......5220.......6050
Net Capacity....1030.......1080.......1270
LP, Water*.........458.........458.........583**
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Useful Load........572.........622.........687

* As per Maurice: 60# LP; gallons of water @ 8.3#/gal = 398#
** 54 gal tank

Eric (Silvertwinkie) has been up the same road ( Thread: Help in understanding trailer weights ). Eric has just ordered a 25' Safari SS. Let me PM him and see if he got closer numbers when he ordered his trailer. I will ask him to chime in on this thread.

Now remember -- optional equipment subtracts from the useful load. (Josh, the larger GVWR is not all on the axles since hitch weight is not carried on them. Do not subtract hitch weight from either GVWR or Base Wt. The Safari, CCD & Classic don't have same included options). I was going to ask if 7000# axles would be interesting for the Six Sleepers but these numbers are pretty good, don't you think?

Joshua, on the TV question look at: http://www.airforums.com/forum...1806#post51806

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Old 10-05-2003, 02:26 PM   #25
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Newbie Questions

A few questions here. Do you need to fill your water tanks in advance if staying at an RV park with all the hook ups? I am assuming you do not.

Am I right in saying that the only time you may have to carry a lot of excess weight is when you are boondocking and you know you aren't going to be to a close source for water and power?

Bob, regarding the TV, I ordered my CCD with the factory installed unit. The only thing that I need to figure out is where to mount the inverter if I don't get a generator right away. What I am curious about is how the inverter is hard wired and where it is placed?

I have to admit that Maurice scared me a bit when he started talking about loads. As I stated previously, the CCD had a GVWR of 6,300 Lbs. I am not one to be a packrat and travel with a million things, but I do like to carry a few conveniences.

If I dont have to travel with water all the time, I assume I'll be all right. Am I assuming correctly?

What are your thoughts?
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Old 10-05-2003, 02:31 PM   #26
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With small inverters like this, you just plug the devices that will be used into them directly. None of the travel trailer outlets are "hot."

The 24V versions are NOT for vehicles or RVs, which are 12V systems and need a 12V inverter. Solar/battery houses often use 24 or 48 volt systems because you can use thinner gauge wiring with higher voltage to transmit the same power with lower current.

The 125 isn't sufficient for charging computer batteries. Take a look at the amp rating on the computer's AC adapter and multiply that times 120V to get the wattage. You'd need at least the 250 for that. Xantrex is also making a nice 400 now.

Where are your batteries in the 25 CCD? Are the battery boxes large enough for a pair of Group 31 batteries? Or are they limited to Group 24? Are they tall enough to use two T-105 golf cart batteries?

At any rate, you would run appropriate gauge stranded wires, preferably in flexible conduit, from a fuse block mounted near the batteries, or the internal block the batteries connect to, to the inverter mounting location (the wire to the inverter must be fused). Keep in mind that the inverter needs to be where cooling air can get to it. It should be close to where the 120VAC appliances will be used, or at least close enough that a power strip with a 6' cord can reach it.

How long do you intend to boondock in one stretch? We allow 3 minutes per shower (1 to wet down, 2 to rinse) at 1.5 gallons/minute times two people. Plus about 4 gallons for flushing and kitchen sink use. With that, we can do a 5 day rally (4 nights) on a 54 gallon fresh tank. You could probably get the same with 2 minutes per shower times two people.
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Old 10-05-2003, 02:56 PM   #27
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Maurice,

I am completely sold on the fact that generators are the way to go. I think it would be pointless for me to purchase a quality inverter now, and then make close to a $2,000 purchase for a generator a few months down the road.

With that said, I think I need to now decide whether its going to be 2 EU2000's, 1 EU3000 or 1 Yamaha EF3000ISEB.

One thing I never mentioned is that when I am back in the states, I work on a fair amount of charity events. There are going to be times when I bring the trailer along and am going to have to run the AC for the entire day. The generators weight is not really an issue to me, because I can always wheel the unit up to the truck bed or have a few buddies help me lift it up or bring it down if necessary. With that said, would you still go with 2 EU2000's or look at the EU3000 or the Yamaha EF3000ISEB?

Am I correct in saying that once I have one of these units, power will really not be an issue or concern for me?

From what I am getting from reading your responses, my only concern would then be water. Is this correct? To answer your question, the longest I could see myself boondocking would be a week, but on the average, 3 to 5 days.

By the way, I meant to ask if you teach a week long class in all of this. If you do, I will gladly sign up!

Thanks again!
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Old 10-05-2003, 03:52 PM   #28
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Obviously, I'm sold on the generator solution as well.

In your case, I'd probably recommend the Yamaha EF3000ISEB for the longer run time, air-conditioning in high temperatures, over the portability of the EU2000s. Just be aware it's about 175 lbs fueled.

As far as worrying about output, realize you MAY need to turn the AC off while using the microwave, depending on what else electrical is going on.

Also note that you can use 6 or more gallons of gas per day, depending on how hard it's working.

I do think water, but mainly waste capacity, is going to be your limiting factor. It isn't wise to flush sparingly and avoid urinating in the trailer toilet. The solids can build up and become a real problem to dump.

You also need to consider truck payload capacity. Out of that comes people and cargo in the cab, a full tank of fuel, tongue weight of the trailer, five-gallon cans of gas at 40 lbs each, five gallon water cans at 50 lbs each, the 175 lb generator, the weight of firewood, tote-tank (200 lbs for a full 22 gallon if you have to haul it out), patio rug, BBQ grill, lawn furniture, etc.

If you're fortunate enough to be able to keep the trailer at home, you may be able to do dry runs. We (RV and boat owners) are currently having to fight at city hall to stop amendments that would restrict RV and boat parking in residential areas. Otherwise, you might try spending a week at a campground with hook-ups, and see how long you can go without using them.

Doing this a coupla times will give you a lot better idea of your capabilities than I can.
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Old 10-05-2003, 05:17 PM   #29
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Josh, I screwed up, trying to do forum stuff during commercial breaks during the NASCAR race today. Still not used to the new Airstream website with no GVWR spec. Here's what the load sticker in your trailer should say:

Code:
 6300 GVWR
-5270 Unloaded vehicle weight
- 374 45 gallons water @ 8.3 lbs/gal
-  60 13.3 gallons LP @4.5 lbs/gal
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  596 Cargo Carrying Capacity
So you have 596 lbs capacity BESIDES the water and LP!

No, you don't have to carry water when you go to a campground with hookups, but I do. The trailer handles better with it, the diesel doesn't notice the difference, and I won't be stuck with the campground water if it doesn't look/smell good.
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Re: Back to weight...

See this post so as to not hijack this thread...

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