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PKI · 08-21-2018, 04:19 PM

PC, we saw a 2000 on propane run AC in Albuquerque New Mexico, which is over 5K ft above sea level. Pat

pcskier · 08-21-2018, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PKI

PC, we saw a 2000 on propane run AC in Albuquerque New Mexico, which is over 5K ft above sea level. Pat

Dang. That's maddening to me! I need to dig into this some more. At 4200 feet last week, the compressor would stall out, then the Easy Start would get it going again a few minutes later. It is designed to wait 5 minutes to restart the compressor after a stall. At night, this cycling action allowed the trailer to eventually cool. However the next day in the 90s, compressor stalled within minutes, and when restarted, stalled again almost immediately.

pcskier · 08-21-2018, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wulfraat

I never tried running the 13.5k in propane.

It certainly feels like you take a bit on propane. I can push the 2000i genset to deliver about 12 or 13 amps before voltage drops below 110v at 5000’ while on propane if I remember correctly.... I’ll see if I can run a test on Thursday or Friday perhaps

Thanks, that would be great. I don't know how accurate it is, but I have my Progressive Industries Power Management box plugged in at home today, and my shore power plugged in to that. It cycles through a display that shows volts, Hz, and amps. With everything else off in the trailer except the AC, the AC was pulling 14-15 amps in running mode. So if you have found you can only pull 12-13 amps out of the Honda on Propane at your elevation...that would likely not be enough for me to get my compressor going, as Matteo says it takes more like 16 amps to start the generator. It would be great if you are able to measure your gen output on propane at elevation.

PKI · 08-21-2018, 06:17 PM

How old is the Honda? There was a spark plug cap mfg problem that started about a year to 18 months ago. If you have one, it severely impacts the generator performance. The reason I saw that gen running the AC was because I was out canvasing the lot for information to figure out why my Red Ripper was barely running. Once I did the field fix, we had better function. Not right until the cap was replaced. There is also a jet change required with altitude. Three different sizes if I understand correctly. When they run, they are great. When they cough, well - how do you spell "learning opportunity".

Pat

**wulfraat** · 08-21-2018, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PKI

How old is the Honda? There was a spark plug cap mfg problem that started about a year to 18 months ago. If you have one, it severely impacts the generator performance. The reason I saw that gen running the AC was because I was out canvasing the lot for information to figure out why my Red Ripper was barely running. Once I did the field fix, we had better function. Not right until the cap was replaced. There is also a jet change required with altitude. Three different sizes if I understand correctly. When they run, they are great. When they cough, well - how do you spell "learning opportunity". [emoji4] Pat

If that question was for me I run the 5000 to 7500 foot jet for my propane conversion and I change the spark plug every year. Generator only has maybe 50 total running hours on it - it’s still like new

turk123 · 08-21-2018, 06:48 PM

It is also important if you are using gas or have used gas before, to clean the jet on the carburetor. Many are soaking the carburetors trying to clean, but get yourself a jet wire cleaner on Amazon (fine stainless wires) and remove the jet and clean out the hole. Very easy to do and the tools are $7. It will help immensely.

Link to the procedure.

https://youtu.be/QdUlhJFHlDU

PKI · 08-21-2018, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wulfraat

If that question was for me -- snip --

No, you are happy with your Red Rover. PC is the one with a challenge on his hands. But your info should help him. Pat

pcskier · 08-22-2018, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PKI

No, you are happy with your Red Rover. PC is the one with a challenge on his hands. But your info should help him. Pat

Thanks Pat. I recall that about the plug cap. I’ll check my Vin on the Honda and see if it was in the affected group. This also reminds me that genconnex recommends using a Champion Z9Y plug gapped at .020-.022 when converting from gas to propane. I do change to the appropriate orifice based on elevation.

Manning G · 08-26-2018, 01:47 PM

faberm,
Oh, after all the other posts, I'm not really sure that anyone thanked you for posting. I found that it added some clarity to an upgrade that has intimidated me.
Thanks, Manning

faberm · 08-27-2018, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Manning G

faberm,
Oh, after all the other posts, I'm not really sure that anyone thanked you for posting. I found that it added some clarity to an upgrade that has intimidated me.
Thanks, Manning

You are SO WELCOME!

UnklJoe · 09-09-2018, 09:27 PM

So, the weather at the campground where we stayed in Dolores, CO, was excellent--didn't need the A/C at all. So, I didn't want to disturb my camp-mates with the generator (also didn't want to fill it with gasoline, as I'm going to convert it to propane).

Will be next year now before I get to test it with a generator....

Did use the heat pump (on campground power) one night, it got pretty cool.... Didn't hear the compressor kick in at all.

mattRox · 11-06-2018, 08:44 AM

After reading this thread I'm not sure if I should do the easy start conversion or just get the bigger (heavier) generator. I have a 2018 INTL SER 25 with a 15K AC (don't know the brand).

If I do the easy start mod it sounds like I'll need a 20amp outlet while parked at home. All my exterior outlets are 15 amp.

If I do the easy start mod and buy a honda 2200 sounds like it should run pretty much only the AC as long as I don't try to run it at higher elevations.

If I buy a bigger generator it'll be more difficult to steal, but I'll most likely injure myself at some point getting it in and out of the truck bed.

in a quandary,

ROBERT CROSS · 11-06-2018, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pcskier

Thanks, that would be great. I don't know how accurate it is, but I have my Progressive Industries Power Management box plugged in at home today, and my shore power plugged in to that. It cycles through a display that shows volts, Hz, and amps. With everything else off in the trailer except the AC, the AC was pulling 14-15 amps in running mode. So if you have found you can only pull 12-13 amps out of the Honda on Propane at your elevation...that would likely not be enough for me to get my compressor going, as Matteo says it takes more like 16 amps to start the generator. It would be great if you are able to measure your gen output on propane at elevation.

You can't adjust your mixture on LP?

Bob
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mythbuster88 · 11-06-2018, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mattRox

After reading this thread I'm not sure if I should do the easy start conversion or just get the bigger (heavier) generator. I have a 2018 INTL SER 25 with a 15K AC (don't know the brand).

If I do the easy start mod it sounds like I'll need a 20amp outlet while parked at home. All my exterior outlets are 15 amp.

If I do the easy start mod and buy a honda 2200 sounds like it should run pretty much only the AC as long as I don't try to run it at higher elevations.

If I buy a bigger generator it'll be more difficult to steal, but I'll most likely injure myself at some point getting it in and out of the truck bed.

in a quandary,

You will need 20A or more with or without an Easy Start if you want to run the AC at home.

The new Honda 2200 will run your AC without an Easy Start.

If more power is needed then run two Hondas. Way less expensive than a back injury.

Here is a picture of our generators in the back of the truck while charging batteries. I rarely pick them up.