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Old 05-04-2018, 10:27 AM   #1
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Just installed the Micro Air Easy Start on my AC. The pictures and instructions from the Micro Air web site were easy to follow for the Dometic Penguin low profile ac. The AC starts and runs fine on my Honda 2000 with no other load on the generator. Flipped on the refrigerator on electric and the generator red light comes on and interrupts the power which is not surprising. Since I'm putting the Airstream in storage for a month I was wondering what others had experienced as far as how many devices can or can't be run. Appreciate your thoughts.
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Did you train the Easy Start on shore power with 5 starts as required? I don't know what AC unit you have but the specs say the Penguin II draws 1700 watts (probably only when it is really hot outside). That alone is probably over the 1600 VA limit for the 2000i. The fridge draws about 300 watts which might well be enough to go over the 1600 watts that puts the 2000i into overload. I'd say you are good, as long as you did the training starts.

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Yes I did the training starts on 30A shorepower prior to trying the generator. Very pleased with the fact I can run the AC on the Honda 2000. Just curious as to others experience. Wonder if the refrigerator run on propane would work with the AC on? Not an electrical wiz am I. Thanks
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Yes I did the training starts on 30A shorepower prior to trying the generator. Very pleased with the fact I can run the AC on the Honda 2000. Just curious as to others experience. Wonder if the refrigerator run on propane would work with the AC on? Not an electrical wiz am I. Thanks
When the refrigerator is on propane mode it uses zero AC power, as the control circuits are all 12V. If your battery is low then the issue you will face is that the converter, by default, is going to try to charge the battery and that combined with the A/C unit could still overload the generator. Your option there is likely to kill the breaker that feeds the converter AC power.
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Easy start problem ? I installed a new Brisk Air II 13500 btu with a Easy start , I also have a two year old Honda 2000. On our first trip without hookups the a/c would start but the compressor would drop out after a couple of minutes. We tried three different Honda 2000 generators ,that other campers had ,same results. The only way it worked is if we linked two together. Has anyone had this problem ? I did turn off all other power sources. Thanks for the help
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Easy start problem ? I installed a new Brisk Air II 13500 btu with a Easy start , I also have a two year old Honda 2000. On our first trip without hookups the a/c would start but the compressor would drop out after a couple of minutes. We tried three different Honda 2000 generators ,that other campers had ,same results. The only way it worked is if we linked two together. Has anyone had this problem ? I did turn off all other power sources. Thanks for the help

What elevation were you at? Above 5,000 feet, generator power loss won't allow my Easy Start/13.5 AC to run. Last week I was at the Salt Flats in Utah, 4200 foot elevation. Compressor would start, then stall. If left alone, it did cycle like that all night and got us cool. In the heat of the day, it would not even cycle. Generators lose 2-3 percent power per 1000 feet of elevation, so 8-10% (at 4,000 feet) just couldn't get me there with the eu2000i.
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I just had two Easy Starts installed by JC on my 2017 International. I believe the factory A/C units are 15,000 and 13,500 BTU units. I did the 5 training runs on shore power and just today was able to do some testing with my Honda eu2000I generator. I have two that I purchased from Genconnex already converted to propane. The results of my test. I was easily able to run either A/C unit plus all the lights in the trailer without issue. I had my refer on propane so I need to run a test with it on electric power to see how that impacts the generator. When I used both generators I am able to easily run both A/C units and all the lights or 1 A/C unit and the microwave and all the lights. I was a little concerned initially because I know you lose about 10% due to the propane conversion. But there was not issue with running them. I ran them for several hours without issue. Very pleased!
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I just had two Easy Starts installed by JC on my 2017 International. I believe the factory A/C units are 15,000 and 13,500 BTU units. I did the 5 training runs on shore power and just today was able to do some testing with my Honda eu2000I generator. I have two that I purchased from Genconnex already converted to propane. The results of my test. I was easily able to run either A/C unit plus all the lights in the trailer without issue. I had my refer on propane so I need to run a test with it on electric power to see how that impacts the generator. When I used both generators I am able to easily run both A/C units and all the lights or 1 A/C unit and the microwave and all the lights. I was a little concerned initially because I know you lose about 10% due to the propane conversion. But there was not issue with running them. I ran them for several hours without issue. Very pleased!
Who is JC and how do I get JC to install easystart on my Flying Cloud?
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Who is JC and how do I get JC to install easystart on my Flying Cloud?
JC is Jackson Center, Ohio...the factory. Any semi-competent Rv tech or electrician can install an Easy Start for you if you aren't comfortable doing so.
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A single eu2000i should run an A/C with easy start just fine. There won't be much margin for anything else though. It's amazing it's even possible, as prior to the easy start, it required two eu2000s in parallel!

If you want more power margin for elevation or extraneous devices, consider selling the eu2000 for a new eu2200. More power on account of its 20% larger engine and beefed up inverter. Same overall size. The eu2000 easily sells for $700 on the open market, eg craigslist. New can be had for $999. I sold two old ones for 1 new.
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I just had two Easy Starts installed by JC on my 2017 International. I believe the factory A/C units are 15,000 and 13,500 BTU units. I did the 5 training runs on shore power and just today was able to do some testing with my Honda eu2000I generator. I have two that I purchased from Genconnex already converted to propane. The results of my test. I was easily able to run either A/C unit plus all the lights in the trailer without issue. I had my refer on propane so I need to run a test with it on electric power to see how that impacts the generator. When I used both generators I am able to easily run both A/C units and all the lights or 1 A/C unit and the microwave and all the lights. I was a little concerned initially because I know you lose about 10% due to the propane conversion. But there was not issue with running them. I ran them for several hours without issue. Very pleased!
I asked JC to hook up my easy start unit last year and the said they don't install them. Glad to see they installed yours and that the easystarts work well. Could you provide me with the name of the installer at JC so I can speak to that person myself before driving there? The service advisors are not all on the same page concerning the install.
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If you want more power margin for elevation or extraneous devices, consider selling the eu2000 for a new eu2200.
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JC is Jackson Center, Ohio...the factory. Any semi-competent Rv tech or electrician can install an Easy Start for you if you aren't comfortable doing so.
Agree; why drive from Texas to JC if you don't have to? There are closer options...most AS dealers now have done this installation, if you talk with a manager in service. I also found the 2200 converted to propane by Genconnex, to be quite capable of starting/running my 13,500AC at 6000+ feet this summer while in Banff, with no modifications to my unit....I don't have this unit; it was a friends and he does have the Easystart installed on his 23D, but it worked during our trial on my AC...looking for more data on this one. I use a Champion Dual Fuel which works fine without Easystart on either AC..just 95lbs is all.
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I found that the Hutch Mountain propane conversion for 2000i and 2200i are very good. Duel fuel with very little loss of power on propane.

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I asked JC to hook up my easy start unit last year and the said they don't install them. Glad to see they installed yours and that the easystarts work well. Could you provide me with the name of the installer at JC so I can speak to that person myself before driving there? The service advisors are not all on the same page concerning the install.
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If you have the time, and if you remember, I'd still would like to know who the JC service man was that installed your EasyStarts on your trailer as I may be going that way before the end of the year and will request him to do the work. Sounds like you are satisfied with the installs he did for you! Thanks.
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Installed the EasyStart 364 in my 2005 Safari today. Got a little confused in a couple of places on the instructions regarding references to units with heat pump, but figured it out in the end. Tested it for a few hours in 97 degree heat, with my new Honda 2200 Worked great, even on Eco mode, but as others have noted, I did need to keep the fridge on gas to keep the compressor operating.

This will definitely keep me from having to buy another $1,200 companion generator... can deal with the slight annoyance of having to stay mindful not to run too many devices at once while on the generator. Looking forward to the many campsites this now opens up for us.

Also, when on shore power, the device eliminates the trailer-jolting, sleep interrupting compressor "hard start", and that alone was worth the money paid for it!
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Also, when on shore power, the device eliminates the trailer-jolting, sleep interrupting compressor "hard start", and that alone was worth the money paid for it!
Another tip (maybe you already do this) for better uninterrupted sleeping...set the fan from "Auto" to one of the presets (low, med or high, low is fine for my 23' especially at night) to provide a consistent fan 'white noise' rather than having the fan kick on and off constantly, which always wakes me up. Like you mentioned, the compressor will then kick on and off but makes virtually no noise..
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Yep, we have been doing that for years, but could still feel the compressor come on even with the fan running. May be because my unit is 15 yrs old.
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We would like to install easy start 364 on both AC units, but the dealer was quick to point out that would void the 1 year warranty Dometic provides.

Shouid we install anyway and forego the 1 year warranty period?
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This seems to come up routinely, now. It has been remarked that the Airstream shop installs these units for customers so how can they void the warranty? On the other hand, it is a Dometic warranty. Nevertheless, MicroAir sells a cheap add-on warranty where they will cover any damage they cause. Never happened, though. While the risk is yours, it is very low.
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