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Old 04-14-2017, 10:08 AM   #21
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After my failed attempt to buy a used red one, I realize that selling a red one will never be a problem. They get snapped up before the ink is dry on the ad. My former job used the red ones, we had 20 of them we used 4 days a week, 15 hours a day. We checked the oil at the beginning of the week, and that was it. They sat in the rain, and if you were 20' away, you weren't sure they were running. Con? Expensive, heavy.
Although, I'm weakening on the yellow ones too. A lot of value for the money.
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Old 04-14-2017, 10:22 AM   #22
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I have a generator, but will try to talk out of one. For many people the point of boondocking is to get away from civilization. So a generator, they're all noticably loud when it's otherwise quiet, sort of defeats that goal.

Further a generator is a lousy battery recharging device. As someone noted earlier in this thread, four hours of generator time recharges only 50% of battery capacity. Worse, you have to hang around the campsite listening to the engine because it's irresponsible to leave it unattended. So now the day is shot. Then of course there's the gasoline supply that needs refilling.

Solar on the other hand is perfectly matched to the work of battery recharging. Its automatic and doesn't need anybody to hang around the campsite. On a reasonably sunny day it should silently charge batteries back to 100%. My suggestion, should you decide, is to look to the generator as an emergency source of power, or for the microwave or possibly air conditioner, and instead start thinking of solar now.

In our 27FB the batteries fully charged alone will last a weekend of camping before needing a full recharge. This assumes typical use. The big electric draw is the furnace, the fan. If only run an hour or two a day it should be fine.
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Old 04-14-2017, 11:35 AM   #23
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Back in my MH days, I stayed once without power overnight.
It was a rally, where no one had power.
I learned you don't run the generator 24 hrs a day. You run it in the morning to make coffee, watch the news, then shut it off and go about your day. Back in the afternoon, watch some TV, make dinner, take a shower, and shut off the generator overnight.
Sleeping with the windows or hatches open is pleasant.
I never went boondocking, I used the RV as a home base and returned from exploring each night.
When I had shore power, I tended to use it all the time, just because I could. It was like being home.

I think the generator in the TV will be the same, back up power.
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I own a pair of Yamaha ef2000is generators and the sidewinder parallel cables. I also own the Champion model # 100263 (3400W dual fuel). The Yamaha's are awesome generators, but I actually like the Champion better. It has more power than my two Yamaha's paralleled together, is close in noise level, runs on propane right out of the box, and easier to maintain and set up just one generator. That is just my experience and opinion though.
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The Honda 2000 will most likely be much quieter than the Costco Champion.....thus you'll be a better neighbor with the Honda.
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The Honda 2000 will most likely be much quieter than the Costco Champion.....thus you'll be a better neighbor with the Honda.
Why do you think so? Manufacturer specs are identical.
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Why do you think so? Manufacturer specs are identical.
Champion wants to compete with Honda so identical specs might help sell more units. At 2 1/2 times the price for the Honda you are most likely getting a better unit with better sound deadening qualities.
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:49 PM   #28
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Champion wants to compete with Honda so identical specs might help sell more units. At 2 1/2 times the price for the Honda you are most likely getting a better unit with better sound deadening qualities.

Yes, but this is an assumption. What I have read of the Champions, they are just as quiet as the Hondas. Unfortunately I have not seen a head to head comparison.

But I wouldn't just pay twice as much for a generator just because it's a Honda.
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Anybody tried one of the phone apps that measure noise level? If they are accurate enough we might be able to run an experiment. I am going to look into it.
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Anybody tried one of the phone apps that measure noise level? If they are accurate enough we might be able to run an experiment. I am going to look into it.
It wouldn't really even have to be all that accurate, as long as they're consistent and everyone is using the same app and phone type. Relative noisiness is the real question, after all.
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Just downloaded Android version of "Sound Meter" by abc apps. They recommend calibrating against a real meter to account for variations in phones/microphones. I am going to try and track down a meter to calibrate against, that will give us an idea how accurate it is.
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Just downloaded Android version of "Sound Meter" by abc apps. They recommend calibrating against a real meter to account for variations in phones/microphones. I am going to try and track down a meter to calibrate against, that will give us an idea how accurate it is.
I used that same app, uncalibrated, with my Champion Model 100263 3100/3400 Dual Fuel Generator running a 17' Casita A/C. The generator was centered in my 6.5' full sized pickup bed with the tailgate closed. I recorded 55 db with my phone next to the edge of the pickup bed. Documented in this post: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f448...ml#post1922255 My phone is a Moto X Pure from Motorola.
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I do not have much experience with the Hondas. I do have two Yamaha Ef2000is generators though. They are supposed to be just as quiet as the Hondas. I also own the same Champion that AirMiles owns. I can tell you the Champion is louder at idle, but idle test are pointless. No one runs a generator just to let it idle. Under a moderate load the smaller 2000 watt Yamaha's increase in volume more than the Champion and they have a higher pitch exhaust sound. You also have two engines running instead of one. So under load they sound just as loud as my Champion to me, and I prefer the deeper lower pitch of the larger Champion engine.
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I used that same app, uncalibrated, with my Champion Model 100263 3100/3400 Dual Fuel Generator running a 17' Casita A/C. The generator was centered in my 6.5' full sized pickup bed with the tailgate closed. I recorded 55 db with my phone next to the edge of the pickup bed. Documented in this post: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f448...ml#post1922255 My phone is a Moto X Pure from Motorola.


That's great info, thanks. 55 db within a few feet is better than the manufacturer spec 59 db at 23 ft. When my 3100 gets her next week I will set up a test and report back.
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Amazon 3400/3100 Price drop...

I ran my champion 3400 on propane (3100) for the first time with my 15k airconditioner and it worked great. Amazon just dropped the price to $845 today.
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I ran my champion 3400 on propane (3100) for the first time with my 15k airconditioner and it worked great. Amazon just dropped the price to $845 today.


Hey thanks! The Costco 3100 has been returned (unopened), the Amazon 3400 is on the way.
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But I wouldn't just pay twice as much for a generator just because it's a Honda.
I would, and did.
Now, maybe I'm crazy. I thought seriously about a Champion, but my experience with the Hondas convinced me they'd never let me down. I'm also convinced that if I put the Honda up for sale today, it would be gone tomorrow for what I paid.
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Anybody tried one of the phone apps that measure noise level? If they are accurate enough we might be able to run an experiment. I am going to look into it.
It's probably more important to be consistent than accurate. Do you really care if your generator is 59db? What's important is that Brand A is louder than Brand B.
I scoured YouTube for good comparison videos and there are almost none. I want to see a pair of Honda 2000's compared to a Champion 3400. And there has to be some standard, a guy walking around while running two generators doesn't do it for me. I'm not asking for NASA tests, just side by side with a meter at a particular distance, run one at a time, and put the same load on both. Face the exhaust the same way. Common sense stuff.
I think the Champion will fare very well against two Honda 2000's.
There seems to be plenty of android sound meter apps available.

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I actually like the Champion better. It has more power than my two Yamaha's paralleled together,
How is that? Just curious.

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The Honda 2000 will most likely be much quieter than the Costco Champion.....
But will two Honda's be as quiet as the Champion? That's how they'll be used.
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I will try to find time this week to do a quick comparison test with two Yamaha's vs the Champion. The Yamaha's are supposed to be just as quiet as the Honda's. I have a few decibel apps on my phone. I doubt the are very accurate, but maybe I can get some good comparative readings anyway.

To answer your question about how the Champion could have more power than 2 paralleled Yamaha's, I am really not sure. The Champion really seems to be underrated in my opinion. I love my Yamaha's, but the 3400/3100W Champion dual fuel will run more at the same time, even though I am running the Champion on propane. It's just a stout little generator.
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While we're doing apples-to-apples, I'd bet you an Airstream payment that my 3k Yamaha is quieter than one (or of course 2) honda 2ks, and quieter than the Honda 3k "Handi" but I don't hear any difference between the heavy Honda 3k and my Yamaha. That said, the Yamaha doesn't fit under my new toneau so I'm considering my options. I'll likely never get as good a deal as I did on the used 3000iSEB but I think I may try a pair of non-premium 2kish generators for a big trip this summer, and decide whether or not they have a long-term place in our inventory.
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