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Old 03-19-2014, 07:04 PM   #41
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I don't want to be the doubter here, but have to ask, what's the spec on the 4 x 10 sheets for $54? There's no way that's T3 2024 but maybe it's for the interior or belly, really curious….
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:06 PM   #42
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Tonianne, being that you said you had already bought this, you have just paid for your first AS lesson, hopefully you didn't get taken for much. In the long run, you would be better served to chalk it up to the school of hard knocks. It will be such a daunting task to resurrect this mess that I'm afraid your 'stick to it ambition' will be long gone before your pockets can recover. Best bet for now is to part it out to try and recoup some of your money and look for a better beginner trailer.
This is one of those sad situations where you can pay now or pay later when the bills are much higher and your money much shorter. Sorry!
Hi, No sweat! Thanks for taking the time to post. I'm moving forward on this, collecting all the costs up front before i start spending any money. I paid for this trailer what i would pay for a pair of boots at Nordstroms so i'm not in it for much . I love a challenge. Receiving the " dont do this, glass half empty advice" has really made me want to see the glass half full even more. I'm not fooling myself either i'm pretty resourceful and mostly all the objections i've gotten so far like, theres maybe only a couple of dozens people in the country that have english wheels for the compound curves. I actually found someone locally who has this machine and found a sheet metal shop that carries the specific aluminum and alloy needed for airstreams and they are not expensive at all. People have also said i wouldn't be able to find the compound curves and i got that sorted out. It's not that i dont have respect for the opinions of those in the forum because i really do. It's just noone on here knows me and what i'm capable of I have emotional ties to this trailer. Its not like just throwing away an old pair of shoes. That needs to be thought of when giving someone advice. Thanks again. I will continue to post updates as things progress.
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:10 PM   #43
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I don't want to be the doubter here, but have to ask, what's the spec on the 4 x 10 sheets for $54? There's no way that's T3 2024 but maybe it's for the interior or belly, really curious….

No it's not. that i can buy for $100 a sheet. The $54.60 is for .032 at 5052H32 which i was told can be used on the airstreams.
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:17 PM   #44
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where is the best place to get windows/63 Globetrotter

I need all 6 windows for my globetrotter. I also need a door Any advice and referrals much appreciated.
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:21 PM   #45
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did we not ask the same question here?
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f368...-117000-3.html
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Old 03-19-2014, 07:23 PM   #46
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Old 03-19-2014, 08:16 PM   #47
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I need all 6 windows for my globetrotter. I also need a door Any advice and referrals much appreciated.
If its only the glass, that's available at any glass shop. If its the frames, you'll need to find a donor, like the one in Wa, otherwise you're likely to be spending about a couple hundred $ per window, if you can find them at all. Ditto for the door, but that'll likely cost about $600.

Have we got your attention yet?

If your source is selling 4 X 10 2024 T3 for $100, they are losing money, so i'd be curious to see if the story changes when you go to pick them up. Your local shop with the English Wheel will need to work for peanuts in order to sell you the required panels "cheaply".

I don't want to be a "nay sayer", but many of us have been doing this for a long time & this is going to cost you real $ & a lot of time to get it done to a reasonable degree.
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Old 03-19-2014, 08:54 PM   #48
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If its only the glass, that's available at any glass shop. If its the frames, you'll need to find a donor, like the one in Wa, otherwise you're likely to be spending about a couple hundred $ per window, if you can find them at all. Ditto for the door, but that'll likely cost about $600.

Have we got your attention yet?

If your source is selling 4 X 10 2024 T3 for $100, they are losing money, so i'd be curious to see if the story changes when you go to pick them up. Your local shop with the English Wheel will need to work for peanuts in order to sell you the required panels "cheaply".

I don't want to be a "nay sayer", but many of us have been doing this for a long time & this is going to cost you real $ & a lot of time to get it done to a reasonable degree.
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Hi , you all have my full on attention so keep the advice coming and thanks for taking the time to respond. If its a couple of hundred per window that's not too bad. I was thinking it was going to be much more than that. Windows are essential so not an unreasonable expense. About my source for the panels , I've been doing business with them for nearly 10 years . They are one of the biggest sheet metal cos in town and I'm dealing direct with the owner. If he tells me what the price is , I have no reason to believe it will be anything but. I will supply the guy with the English wheel the panels . He just needs to do the work which he's been doing for 20 years so I don't doubt him either. Lets just pretend money is not an option and time is on my side btw, where's a good source for the windows besides a donor.
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Hi , you all have my full on attention so keep the advice coming and thanks for taking the time to respond. If its a couple of hundred per window that's not too bad. I was thinking it was going to be much more than that. Windows are essential so not an unreasonable expense. About my source for the panels , I've been doing business with them for nearly 10 years . They are one of the biggest sheet metal cos in town and I'm dealing direct with the owner. If he tells me what the price is , I have no reason to believe it will be anything but. I will supply the guy with the English wheel the panels . He just needs to do the work which he's been doing for 20 years so I don't doubt him either. Lets just pretend money is not an option and time is on my side btw, where's a good source for the windows besides a donor.
Oh also Airparts inc will sell those panels in 4x10 sheets for $160 which isnt a bad price. But it sure does pay too have a good local connection.
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Still looking for a good source for windows.

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did we not ask the same question here?
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f368...-117000-3.html
this is the first time I asked this question specifically. Although a few have offered some options still looking for others. Is that ok?
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Old 03-19-2014, 09:09 PM   #51
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Hi , you all have my full on attention so keep the advice coming and thanks for taking the time to respond. If its a couple of hundred per window that's not too bad. I was thinking it was going to be much more than that. Windows are essential so not an unreasonable expense. About my source for the panels , I've been doing business with them for nearly 10 years . They are one of the biggest sheet metal cos in town and I'm dealing direct with the owner. If he tells me what the price is , I have no reason to believe it will be anything but. I will supply the guy with the English wheel the panels . He just needs to do the work which he's been doing for 20 years so I don't doubt him either. Lets just pretend money is not an option and time is on my side btw, where's a good source for the windows besides a donor.
ebay, craigslist or the Forums classifieds, but your best bet is still to buy that donor in Wa. You'll never find a cheaper donor.
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Old 03-19-2014, 09:16 PM   #52
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No it's not. that i can buy for $100 a sheet. The $54.60 is for .032 at 5052H32 which i was told can be used on the airstreams.
Tonianne, Are you comparing Apples to Apples? Literally you could use any .032 Aluminum stock on any aluminum trailer that calls for .032 thickness aluminum. That however does not mean it is the correct aluminum to use on an Airstream! If however, you are only wanting to cosmetically make the exterior "look" like it is a functional RV and not intended to make it operational, then by all means use whatever you can find locally or elsewhere. Also, are you aware that the end cap segments are not the same as the body panels? They are thinner stock, this if I remember correctly, is so they could be formed into the compound curves that make up the end caps segments. I really think it would be very hard to form the .032 into these segments. I bet Andy R. from InlandRv could really tell you for sure regarding the correct grades of and thicknesses for aluminum that where used by Airstream. Of coarse that is only if you are restoring to usable as a Travel Trailer or just to a state of a non-functional piece of yard art! All the advise pro or con cannot help you if we don't understand the exact project you are trying to achieve. Your best bet is to document what you do to satisfy your project needs and ask for no more advise on how to do it the right way. Many folks live by the old motto... There's a Right way, a Wrong way and My way. You make the choice! Just remember down the road if you ever sell this trailer that someone could get hurt if it isn't restored properly! Just my two cents worth. Ed
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Old 03-20-2014, 08:28 AM   #53
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ebay, craigslist or the Forums classifieds, but your best bet is still to buy that donor in Wa. You'll never find a cheaper donor.
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Ive been in contact with that donor in Wa but they have to have it gone by saturday and i can't get someone out there that quick. That was a great suggestion and how awesome would that have been but it's just not goingt to work. Besides that door may not even fit and it only has the rear window on it so i still need 5 others even if i was to get it.
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Hi. So i just double checked to make sure i'm comparing apples to apples and from what ive been told and i'm only relying on the source this comes from , Airparts Inc, they say airstream uses the .032/2024T3 for the flat panels and they use .025/5052H32 on the belly pan and end caps/compound curve areas. Obviously the 5052H32 is used in those areas because its easier to bend and work with. My Local suppliers price is $51.23 for a 4x10 sheet of the .025 vs Airparts $9.20LF which comes to $110 plus shipping for the same.(12' sheet) I think i only need 1-10' piece but if i need that 12' than i will get it from Airparts. So that all seems pretty straight forward. As far as my intended use , i plan to make this a guest house on my property. I do not know what the future holds as nothing is forever but while restoring this, if thats what i end up doing, i will definitely keep in mind its potential future use. In the remodeling business we call projects that are done the wrong way a remuddle. I'm a high end restoration builder and i just simply dont cut corners with my work. The same will apply with this trailer. I have been keeping a running log since day one and writing down everything informative and resourceful from this forum. A friend of mine who has restored several of these trailers recommended i sign on. So glad i did. Thanks so much for the heads up on apples to apples. Keep you posted as things progress.
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I can't say for certain, but I am quite skeptical that AS uses .025 aluminum on the compound curved endcaps. I am more inclined to believe that the sheet starts out as at least .032, if not thicker, before being stretched over the form to get the compound curve.

But all that aside, as long as you are recreating so much of the trailer from scratch, you need not constrain yourself to compound curved segments in the endcaps. Airstreams of the 50's used multiple flat panels to achieve the same look. You could build your own 13 panel endcaps, buy all flat sheets for the project, avoid the English wheel, and still end up with a trailer that is very unique!

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Old 03-20-2014, 01:59 PM   #56
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Seems like you sere looking for a new door as well--I stumbled over some used parts on the site below:

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Old 03-20-2014, 04:51 PM   #57
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I was told by AS that the .032 are harder to bend for the compound curves and that the .025 are much easier to work with. They are a tad cheaper though. However, in my latest search i believe i have located the compound curve panels i need. Just waiting to hear back. This would save me some money in paying someone to bend them on the english wheel. Curious when you say i could build my own 13 panel end caps with flat sheets, are you proposing to not have any compound curves on it? Its only that one side that needs the compound curves replaced. I believe its the 1,2 and 3 panels from the front.
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I was just thinking that getting compound curved segments made from scratch on an English Wheel that fit an existing partial endcap may be much harder to accomplish than just rebuilding the entire endcap as a 13 panel unit. If you only have a couple of damage segments and can get used "factory made" replacements, then that would be the way to go.
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The windows are no longer made. There is no current supplier. You'll need a donor or parts trailer or someone who has parted a trailer to supply you with said windows and door.
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In viewing the forums you may have seen other units that were fire or hail damaged where they are replacing panels and in doing so replaced the panel and covered the previous opening for the window at the same time. So you have the opportunity to repair and relocate or remove windows altogether. Just a thought.
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