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Old 09-18-2021, 10:35 PM   #1
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2022 Order has Arrived!

After weeks of waiting for updates to the new year models and living through other people's posts, and wondering when mine will reach completion, that day has arrived. Fresh off the transport, I was allowed to visit the 28RBT International, naturally in our first major rain storm for the Northwest. About 40 minutes into looking around inside, I discovered it had batteries and found the storage switch. The decor looks fresh, light greys and most of all, I finally got to see the actual configuration we ordered on paper with the dinette and galley setup. All the FBT/Q videos on YouTube are not the same format for RBT's.
Check out day is next Friday, 30 days past the original projection date. A few weeks ago I had a 2 Sept for completion and nothing more. I didn't know what that meant and with a holiday and other delays for parts, i figured it was just sitting there waiting to be delivered.

The only question I had to consider today, is whether to have a special coating to prevent water spotting on the surface for a mere $150 a foot ($3K) or not. I went with doing it myself (Walbernize Polish or something similar) at least once a year. It's been a long 5 months and I will get a few short trips locally before the cold sets in, that's usually around Halloween.
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Old 09-19-2021, 06:43 AM   #2
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Congrats! Looking forward to seeing pics.
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Old 09-19-2021, 07:11 AM   #3
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Congrats!! Looking to possibly order our next AS, was there a price increase from time of order to time of delivery? Thanks, Jim
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Old 09-19-2021, 11:06 AM   #4
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The company on-line prices conflict with a message to the dealer to stand fast with the prices they were given. This has caused issues for dealerships, whose prices are a bit higher than the internet. This also will be resolved in the next week or so. I had a $2500 discount at time of order (April) and will need to call them back Tuesday to see if they increased my costs somewhere along the 5 months. I had a 5th wheel trade in and because this deal went into a new production year as of September now, I had to take another depreciation year hit there.
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Old 09-19-2021, 11:15 AM   #5
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Any time you order ahead of the official price list coming out, there is a risk of a price increase before delivery. Just how this gets handled is very much a "who knows" sort of thing. Obviously the dealer would *love* to get more money for the trailer.

We've traded in a few things this year. In each case we either turned in the item at time of order or got a guaranteed trade in value, regardless of delivery date. Given how long some of this is taking .... glad we did !!!

I would suggest that any "magic coating" the dealer offers is a bad idea. The same thing is true of that extended warranty. Free bottles of water are generally a safe bet

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Old 09-24-2021, 11:09 PM   #6
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2022 Intl 28RBT

Took delivery of our new Airstream today and feel somewhat overwhelmed in going through everything today. The Airstream Host was thorough and took care of Pre-Delivery tour and getting the truck prepped to tow. That's when we hit a snag in the seven pin malfunctioning. Since I had an adapter cable connected for the previous 5th wheel, we pulled that down to the bumper and got the signal lights working. We got going in the afternoon, just in time for Friday's traffic mess and took side streets and traffic circles. The airstream followed like a dream and very smooth ride. One of the biggest things was the very wide width on the trailer, it needed me to get my bearings centered in the lane while driving. Backing into our driveway took a few times, but finally wedged it close to boundary. Our first day tomorrow will probably be some of the neighbors wanting a tour, while we start to reload the dishes and accessories into this unit. There may be a trip to the goodwill, since some things require a little too much space. The interior feels bright, refreshing and very modern. Cabinets have sliding doors with backlighting and soft grays. We will try for a brief trip next weekend locally and get a couple other trips during October. Well a fresh start tomorrow.
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Old 09-25-2021, 05:29 AM   #7
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How did your AS pull and back compared to your previous 5th wheel? Similar length and weight? You mentioned width and I wondered if you were using tow mirrors. I'm debating what do do on my Tundra with standard but large mirrors that work fine towing my pontoon boat. Contemplating installing after market tow mirrors. Congrats on your new AS. Safe travels
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Old 09-25-2021, 09:18 AM   #8
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The 8.5 foot width appears slightly larger in the extended mirror mode of my Chevy 2500, due to it being rounded versus a flat wall on the 5th. I do feel like it occupied maybe a foot more of the road, taking it up to about 1.5 foot wider on each side view from the truck. I believe the 5.7 V-8 would handle my airstream very well, besides it was used to move Space Shuttle in its early days. The new 2022 Tundra review uses Airstream trailers in multiple segments of its video. The new engine V-6 Turbo and 10 speed trans is very interesting, making this vehicle a years wait to get it like Airstream.
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Old 09-26-2021, 05:40 AM   #9
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The 8.5 foot width appears slightly larger in the extended mirror mode of my Chevy 2500, due to it being rounded versus a flat wall on the 5th. I do feel like it occupied maybe a foot more of the road, taking it up to about 1.5 foot wider on each side view from the truck. I believe the 5.7 V-8 would handle my airstream very well, besides it was used to move Space Shuttle in its early days. The new 2022 Tundra review uses Airstream trailers in multiple segments of its video. The new engine V-6 Turbo and 10 speed trans is very interesting, making this vehicle a years wait to get it like Airstream.
Thanks for the feedback Doc. Sounds like I may need tow mirrors lol. 1.5 wider each side is a lot more width. Iím going to search the site as others may have asked and been answered but other than seeing traffic coming up beside you what do the tow mirrors show more of that the camera on the airstream rear wouldnít show already? My 25 RBT will be my first travel trailer so assume rear camera is always on when towing and Iíve towed pontoon boats and my backhoe on a flatbed trailer and have always used the standard tundra mirrors. Maybe just lucky? Iím a retired physician not an experienced trailer driver so be gentle in any responses. Aside from the cost to install Iím always worried about installing aftermarket stuff like these mirrors would be for my 2021 Tundra per dealership. And of course they arenít just mirrors but have motors and warning lights etc to mess up. Wrong thread so donít want to hijack just be redirected.

Like you Doc I canít wait to see what the RBT set up looks like in person as we couldnít find any near us to look at and are buying with assumptions true or not about open line of sight front to back, twins better for sleep than Queen when we are used to a king (my tiny wife is a bed real estate hog when sleeping lol) and distance from road in back in sites for quiet etc. Congrats again on the delivery. Would love to hear when you have trips as to how they go. And again appreciate your feedback.
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Old 09-26-2021, 07:17 AM   #10
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The rear camera is pretty useless for anything practical other than backing into a tight slot. It will not give you the information you need to safely drive in traffic. I see very little reason to leave it on "in motion" it's one more distraction. You already have way to many of those.

Trailers come in all sorts of widths and heights. You can find a few as narrow as 4'. There are a lot in the 5 to 6' range. Comparing one to the other requires knowing the measurements.

With a utility trailer and many boat trailers, the "load" does not block right to the side of the trailer and all the way up. You can still see quite a bit to either side as a result. That simply isn't the case with a full sized trailer.

8.5' is a practical max for an RV. It's what the modern "wide body" AS's come in just under. The same number applies to all the other brands out there. You will see a ton of RV's on the road that are 8' 5.75" wide or some such measure.

If you wanted to be able to see the rear bumper of the trailer while traveling straight down the road, the mirrors would have to be pretty far out. Just how far is a "that depends" sort of thing. Typical tow mirrors get your vehicle TV width up to about 8.75' or so, that's not enough to see the rear bumper.

Get out and play in an open space. See how things turn and back. See how the mirrors adjust. Understand what you can and can't see. Next time you buy a TV, look for the "blind spot warning" option and check if it works with a trailer .... some do ...

Fun !!!

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Old 09-27-2021, 04:48 AM   #11
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The rear camera is pretty useless for anything practical other than backing into a tight slot. It will not give you the information you need to safely drive in traffic. I see very little reason to leave it on "in motion" it's one more distraction. You already have way to many of those.

Trailers come in all sorts of widths and heights. You can find a few as narrow as 4'. There are a lot in the 5 to 6' range. Comparing one to the other requires knowing the measurements.

With a utility trailer and many boat trailers, the "load" does not block right to the side of the trailer and all the way up. You can still see quite a bit to either side as a result. That simply isn't the case with a full sized trailer.

8.5' is a practical max for an RV. It's what the modern "wide body" AS's come in just under. The same number applies to all the other brands out there. You will see a ton of RV's on the road that are 8' 5.75" wide or some such measure.

If you wanted to be able to see the rear bumper of the trailer while traveling straight down the road, the mirrors would have to be pretty far out. Just how far is a "that depends" sort of thing. Typical tow mirrors get your vehicle TV width up to about 8.75' or so, that's not enough to see the rear bumper.

Get out and play in an open space. See how things turn and back. See how the mirrors adjust. Understand what you can and can't see. Next time you buy a TV, look for the "blind spot warning" option and check if it works with a trailer .... some do ...

Fun !!!

Bob
Thanks Bob. My pontoon boat rides high enough to block rear view and specs say width 8í6Ē so similar to AS. That said I am not pulling it cross country or backing into camp sites with it. Sounds like time for tow mirrors once it comes in. I do have blind spot warning but I donít think back beyond my truck. Appreciate your feedback. Bill
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Old 09-27-2021, 05:05 AM   #12
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Old 09-27-2021, 06:24 AM   #13
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The rear camera is pretty useless for anything practical other than backing into a tight slot. It will not give you the information you need to safely drive in traffic. I see very little reason to leave it on "in motion" it's one more distraction. You already have way to many of those.
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I'm going to counter your above statement Bob. I agree, the camera is helpful for backing up but to claim it is useless beyond that, I gotta disagree. I use the rear camera every time I tow and run it continuously. After readjusting the camera's elevation (up) perspective (as delivered, it was pointed too low from factory), the camera is helpful in judging adjacent lane space/occupancy when transiting lanes on either side of me. If I am wanting to pass a slower vehicle (semi's usually), I can judge further behind me, then just using my mirrors, the left lane to see if a vehicle is closing on me at a higher rate of speed assuring I won't cut them off pulling out. I typically cruise at 68 and our speed limit is 70/75. Vehicles oft bare down me doing in excess of 80mph. Conversely, moving back right, I can also see if a vehicle is running up the right side further behind me.
PLUS the camera provides a good perspective giving confirmation to me that my trailer end has sufficiently passed the passed vehicle to move back into the right lane promptly. Even with Ford OE extending mirrors fully deployed, the extreme width of the AS plus the power awning legs adjacent to camper body, my ability to comfortably, IMO, sight rearward down the side of the AS is compromised. The camera certainly mitigates the diminished view and I consider it an important driver's aid. I use it much as a 3rd mirror as I scan through my mirrors while driving/towing. No distraction for me.
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Old 09-28-2021, 06:50 AM   #14
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Thanks Bob. My pontoon boat rides high enough to block rear view and specs say width 8’6” so similar to AS. That said I am not pulling it cross country or backing into camp sites with it. Sounds like time for tow mirrors once it comes in. I do have blind spot warning but I don’t think back beyond my truck. Appreciate your feedback. Bill
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Check the manual for your truck. It come with a way to set up the blind spot stuff so it'll go some distance you program in behind the truck. It's never perfect, but if you already have it on the truck ... set it up.

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Old 09-30-2021, 09:10 AM   #15
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Check the manual for your truck. It come with a way to set up the blind spot stuff so it'll go some distance you program in behind the truck. It's never perfect, but if you already have it on the truck ... set it up.

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Old 09-30-2021, 10:32 AM   #16
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The rear camera is pretty useless for anything practical other than backing into a tight slot. It will not give you the information you need to safely drive in traffic. I see very little reason to leave it on "in motion" it's one more distraction. You already have way to many of those.

Trailers come in all sorts of widths and heights. You can find a few as narrow as 4'. There are a lot in the 5 to 6' range. Comparing one to the other requires knowing the measurements.

With a utility trailer and many boat trailers, the "load" does not block right to the side of the trailer and all the way up. You can still see quite a bit to either side as a result. That simply isn't the case with a full sized trailer.

8.5' is a practical max for an RV. It's what the modern "wide body" AS's come in just under. The same number applies to all the other brands out there. You will see a ton of RV's on the road that are 8' 5.75" wide or some such measure.

If you wanted to be able to see the rear bumper of the trailer while traveling straight down the road, the mirrors would have to be pretty far out. Just how far is a "that depends" sort of thing. Typical tow mirrors get your vehicle TV width up to about 8.75' or so, that's not enough to see the rear bumper.

Get out and play in an open space. See how things turn and back. See how the mirrors adjust. Understand what you can and can't see. Next time you buy a TV, look for the "blind spot warning" option and check if it works with a trailer .... some do ...

Fun !!!

Bob
Anything over 8' 6" legally requires oversize load permits and all that goes with it. My boat has a 9' 8" beam so with any major moves like to get the diesel serviced I get the permits and hang the wide load signs/flags on. Boat ramp is about a 2 miles from where I store it so I chance it and don't go through the bother. A lot of people ignore the requirements but I fear the insurance would be negated if a accident happened and I didn't have the permit.
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