Free 7 Day Trial RV GPS App RV Trip Planner Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Free 7 Day Trial ×
 


View Poll Results: Would you be in favor of these changes??
Complete trailer frame treated with POR 15 before outer shell is attached. 19 57.58%
Complete trailer frame constructed out of Aluminum materials. 15 45.45%
Doesn't matter about the POR15 paint treatment prior to construction 2 6.06%
Doesn't matter about trailer frame Aluminum constructions 0 0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 02-16-2009, 06:40 PM   #21
1972 Travelux Princess 25
 
Cobourg , Ontario
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,059
If I was redoing a frame I would paint it with 3 coats of Tremclad or Rustoleum enamel. I have done this on old machines and they are still good after 20 years outdoors.
__________________
Living in the trailer park of sense, looking out the window at a tornado of stupidity.
Ganaraska is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2009, 07:07 PM   #22
on the hunt
 
osolow's Avatar
 
Currently Looking...
riverton , Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 373
Send a message via Skype™ to osolow
i agree what kinda of aluminum alloy did the use ?

aluminum has came along way in 35 years, look how much it is used in the automotive industry.

Aim sure they could come up with something if they wanted to.

it all comes down to a company's willingness to advance there product and well you all know how much A/S is willing to do this.
osolow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2009, 07:09 PM   #23
CLOUDSPLITTER "Tahawus"
 
ROBERT CROSS's Avatar

 
2003 25' Classic
Zanadude Nebula , Milky Way
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 17,140
Images: 1
Airstream=Saltines

What, other than price, makes Airstream a "Premium" trailer?

All the fixtures are generic, look in a PPL catalog. What does Airstream actually make in house for the "premium" coach they sell. They even have a hard time installing others' products. Most of all my warranty concerns were related to poor workmanship, something we all pay a premium for. They outsource the frame do they not? If they specified a thermoplastic coating, what would it add to the cost?

They don't do it because they don't have too, we are so enamored of the Airstream name we're skeered too demand more.
Never mind.... wouldn't matter no how.
__________________
Obrigado, hora de descansar.

Tahawus
🌤
ROBERT CROSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2009, 07:32 PM   #24
on the hunt
 
osolow's Avatar
 
Currently Looking...
riverton , Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 373
Send a message via Skype™ to osolow
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS View Post
What, other than price, makes Airstream a "Premium" trailer?

All the fixtures are generic, look in a PPL catalog. What does Airstream actually make in house for the "premium" coach they sell. They even have a hard time installing others' products. Most of all my warranty concerns were related to poor workmanship, something we all pay a premium for. They outsource the frame do they not? If they specified a thermoplastic coating, what would it add to the cost?

They don't do it because they don't have too, we are so enamored of the Airstream name we're skeered too demand more.
Never mind.... wouldn't matter no how.

i agree
osolow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2009, 07:33 PM   #25
Rivet Master
 
Silverwanabe's Avatar
 
1967 26' Overlander
Winston Salem , North Carolina
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 523
Images: 107
Wally would have a fit if he knew what has happened to AS since his death.

No Life Time Warranty either
__________________
Greg
Winston Salem, NC
WBCCI 5218,
Corresponding Secretary Piedmont NC Unit 161,
1967 Overlander International.
1979 Avion 30ft rear bath
TV's 88 Chevy Suburban 454, 3:42, TH400
95 Cadillac FW Brougham, LT1,3:42, 7k tow pk.
Silverwanabe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 11:26 AM   #26
1972 Travelux Princess 25
 
Cobourg , Ontario
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,059
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS View Post
What, other than price, makes Airstream a "Premium" trailer?

All the fixtures are generic, look in a PPL catalog. What does Airstream actually make in house for the "premium" coach they sell. They even have a hard time installing others' products. Most of all my warranty concerns were related to poor workmanship, something we all pay a premium for. They outsource the frame do they not? If they specified a thermoplastic coating, what would it add to the cost?

They don't do it because they don't have too, we are so enamored of the Airstream name we're skeered too demand more.
Never mind.... wouldn't matter no how.
Streamlined aircraft aluminum body, rubberized axles, ahh... what else?
__________________
Living in the trailer park of sense, looking out the window at a tornado of stupidity.
Ganaraska is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 11:44 AM   #27
Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
 
Inland RV Center, In's Avatar
 
Corona , California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverwanabe View Post
Wally would have a fit if he knew what has happened to AS since his death.

No Life Time Warranty either
The Feds killed the lifetime warranty, not Airstream.

They said lifetime must apply to everything, carpet, drapes, light bulbs, clear coat, etc.

Obviously, that can't be done.

Andy
__________________
Andy Rogozinski
Inland RV Center
Corona, CA
Inland RV Center, In is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 12:46 PM   #28
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,476
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inland RV Center, In View Post
The Feds killed the lifetime warranty, not Airstream.

They said lifetime must apply to everything, carpet, drapes, light bulbs, clear coat, etc.

Obviously, that can't be done.

Andy
Shoot Andy, they don't even cover some concerns on new(er) units when the unit is under warranty, 6 months from being off the line. If anyone is going to kill anything, it's Airstream mgmt in the long term.

They could put a 5 year warranty on these babies and it would only make it marginally better. My biggest issue, the corrosion issue from what I have read here on the forums, Airstream is simply turning their head on, so much for customer service and from the company's now defunct forums where they had said, "we will service the heck out of our customers". Nothing but lip service if what I've been reading here is remotely true.

Warranty? Bahumbug! Pay more for any improvements that should have already been on this cash cow? Not a chance.
__________________
Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq and millions of others are by far the most popular with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form. -NY Times 11/91
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 12:49 PM   #29
Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
 
Inland RV Center, In's Avatar
 
Corona , California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silvertwinkie View Post
Shoot Andy, they don't even cover some concerns on new(er) units when the unit is under warranty, 6 months from being off the line. If anyone is going to kill anything, it's Airstream mgmt in the long term.

They could put a 5 year warranty on these babies and it would only make it marginally better. My biggest issue, the corrosion issue from what I have read here on the forums, Airstream is simply turning their head on, so much for customer service and from the company's now defunct forums where they had said, "we will service the heck out of our customers". Nothing but lip service if what I've been reading here is remotely true.

Warranty? Bahumbug!
You do have some valid points.

Andy
__________________
Andy Rogozinski
Inland RV Center
Corona, CA
Inland RV Center, In is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 12:50 PM   #30
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,476
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inland RV Center, In View Post
You do have some valid points.

Andy

Too bad you, me and a significant number on this forum are the only one's to think so. I love Bob's statement, "20 acres of denial" at Jackson Center.

Sadly, it's true.
__________________
Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq and millions of others are by far the most popular with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form. -NY Times 11/91
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 02:43 PM   #31
Rivet Master
 
hampstead38's Avatar
 
1967 26' Overlander
Altoona , Pennsylvania
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,115
Blog Entries: 22
One of Airstream's main selling points (along with design) should be durability. Remember the old Volvo ads... about how many are still on the road? I imagine it's easier to get someone to write a big check for a travel trailer if they are convinced it could last them a quarter century or more and will hold resale value.

On some level, these forums are like a large testing laboratory. We are taking apart vintage Airstreams and evaluating what worked well... and what didn't work. This is a virtual clinic on rear end sag and frame separation. Why not take advantage of this cumulative knowledge by incorporating these lessons learned into Airstream construction. Many renovaters are using POR-15 on refurbished frames. The "community" likes the stuff. At the very least, make it an option. The cost of shooting a couple of coats of POR-15 when the frame is just sitting there can't be terribly expensive. In another 40 years, there will be a group of Airstreamers here telling someone that it worked or didn't. Even if the POR-15 was not a magic bullet, giving the stuff a try would at least show the community Airstream has some interest in incorporating design ideas from end users. It's like the converter guy. Why put in a converter that isn't good with AGM batteries? Do they customers are going to say, "Hey, I know I dropped sixty large on my coach, but I really need to save a couple of bucks on the batteries."

This forum is raising the bar on renovation by people helping people. Projects are better, faster, stronger... and they only feel like they cost $6 million. Not to put too fine a point on it... but if Thor/Airstream is not smart enough to figure out what a resource they have here... I don't see that they are smart enough to build the best travel trailers in the world.
hampstead38 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2009, 03:29 PM   #32
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,476
Quote:
Originally Posted by hampstead38 View Post
It's like the converter guy. Why put in a converter that isn't good with AGM batteries? Do they customers are going to say, "Hey, I know I dropped sixty large on my coach, but I really need to save a couple of bucks on the batteries."

Not to put too fine a point on it... but if Thor/Airstream is not smart enough to figure out what a resource they have here... I don't see that they are smart enough to build the best travel trailers in the world.
Amen to that! I couldn't agree more. Hemp, the reality is that the info has been on these forums now for at least 5 to 6 years, and I'm not talking just the QC or corrosion stuff, I'm talking about galv frames, thermopane windows, better sound deadening, etc.

In this window of time, they've added a ton of FB units, made different CCD units, created SE units (many), added disc brakes to Classics, upgraded rock guards, created a toy hauler, got rid of a lot of larger units and FB units, yet the issues still remain both in QC and features folks have been talking about for years, so fine point or not, clearly the ball was dropped some time ago. So in terms of what we'd like to see incorporated into the design, I hold very little hope of such things, even at an additional cost, even if I were willing to pay even more.

...and how about putting in a charger that is good for batteries in general. I had to spend a few hundred more bucks and my own labor (not terrible) installing a 3 stage charger.....that was after my factory installed converter cooked my batteries, which I have to replace that will cost me about another couple of hundred.
__________________
Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq and millions of others are by far the most popular with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form. -NY Times 11/91
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2009, 08:19 AM   #33
1972 Travelux Princess 25
 
Cobourg , Ontario
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,059
POR 15 will not work on new steel. It has to have rust to bite on or to form a chemical reaction. If you paint POR15 on new steel it just peels and flakes off in days.

2 or 3 coats of GOOD paint or possibly some type of undercoating plus some attention to ventilation and drainage under the floor pan would do the trick.

And replace the soggy old fibreglass insulation with waterproof styrofoam.
__________________
Living in the trailer park of sense, looking out the window at a tornado of stupidity.
Ganaraska is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2009, 08:35 AM   #34
Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
 
Inland RV Center, In's Avatar
 
Corona , California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganaraska View Post
POR 15 will not work on new steel. It has to have rust to bite on or to form a chemical reaction. If you paint POR15 on new steel it just peels and flakes off in days.

2 or 3 coats of GOOD paint or possibly some type of undercoating plus some attention to ventilation and drainage under the floor pan would do the trick.

And replace the soggy old fibreglass insulation with waterproof styrofoam.

Auto spray undercoating works great.

Styrofoam is not recommended since it turns to crumbs from simple vibration.

Andy
__________________
Andy Rogozinski
Inland RV Center
Corona, CA
Inland RV Center, In is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2009, 08:45 AM   #35
Rivet Master
 
hampstead38's Avatar
 
1967 26' Overlander
Altoona , Pennsylvania
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,115
Blog Entries: 22
It would be relatively easy to "season" raw steel frames before shooting POR-15. One option is to use the "metal ready" sold by the POR-15 guys. This is what I used on my coach hitch and on my utility trailer. Marine Clean then Metal Ready then shoot. Unlike the underbody of a car, the underside of the coach is protected (somewhat) by the belly pan. I would think any decent undercoating system would work well in that environment.

As for insulation, I'm sure there are resiliant, waterproof insulation materials suitable for use under the coach. Something like a polyfoam (closed cell) would seem to work relatively well.
hampstead38 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2009, 10:43 AM   #36
4 Rivet Member
 
fltlevel510's Avatar
 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Between Here , And There
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 369
Spray the frame with Line-X or other similar product before mating the shell to the frame. This stuff is fairly inexpensive, dries in seconds and would provide rust protection.
fltlevel510 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2009, 11:44 PM   #37
Rivet Master
 
ROBERTSUNRUS's Avatar

 
2005 25' Safari
Salem , Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,080
Images: 18
Blog Entries: 55
Is frame protection really needed?

Hi, "Is frame protection really needed?"

(1.) How many years does it take to have a rusted out, damaged frame? And I don't mean surface rust.

(2.) What really causes these frames to rust through? Parked waist high in melting snow, driven in or through lakes or streams, caught in a flood, water leaks from above that aren't found until too late, [many years later] improperly sealed undercarraige that won't alllow the water to drain out and keeping the insulation wet like a sponge.

(3.) From the time that I bought my new trailer [Sept 2004] until I'm too old or physically unable to use it any longer, I don't expect to have frame rust out issues. [maybe 25 years]

(4.) What is the newest Airstream trailer, year model, that has been known for a fact that has a rusted out, damaged frame; And once again, not suface rust. [not cosmetically mared]

(5.) Would it be nice to have, at least, a painted frame from the factory? Yes.
__________________
Bob

2005 Safari 25-B
"Le Petit Chateau Argent"
[ Small Silver Castle ]
2000 Navigator / 2014 F-150 Eco-Boost / Equal-i-zer / P-3
YAMAHA 2400 / AIR #12144
ROBERTSUNRUS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2009, 09:24 AM   #38
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,476
The frames at the factory come with some paint on them. How good that paint is or how well it is applied might be up for discussion, however they are painted. Below is a pic of a chassis being loaded up with tanks and such during the construction process.

As for how long it takes to rust through frames. If this is any indication under harsh conditions, my 1980 Oldsmobeater Delta 88 with body on frame construction, lasted about 20 years as a daily driver in the rust belt. It saw all kinds of salt, moisture, etc. The frame had actually rusted through.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	1.jpg
Views:	83
Size:	61.7 KB
ID:	75722  
__________________
Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq and millions of others are by far the most popular with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form. -NY Times 11/91
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2009, 05:30 PM   #39
More than one rivet loose
 
thecatsandi's Avatar

 
Currently Looking...
Los Alamos , New Mexico
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,756
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganaraska View Post
POR 15 will not work on new steel. It has to have rust to bite on or to form a chemical reaction. If you paint POR15 on new steel it just peels and flakes off in days.

2 or 3 coats of GOOD paint or possibly some type of undercoating plus some attention to ventilation and drainage under the floor pan would do the trick.

And replace the soggy old fibreglass insulation with waterproof styrofoam.
It does work on clean aluminum. We used it this summer on one of airplanes that spends it winters whale spotting.
__________________
Michelle TAC MT-0
Sarah, Snowball

Looking for a 1962 Flying Cloud

thecatsandi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2009, 06:10 PM   #40
CLOUDSPLITTER "Tahawus"
 
ROBERT CROSS's Avatar

 
2003 25' Classic
Zanadude Nebula , Milky Way
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 17,140
Images: 1
Thumbs down

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ganaraska View Post
ahh... what else?
NO Q/C
__________________
Obrigado, hora de descansar.

Tahawus
🌤
ROBERT CROSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Storage: How much you pay ? brunoffrance Winterizing, Storage, Carports & Covers 22 09-23-2008 11:48 PM
What should we pay? hampstead38 Buyer Guidelines 71 09-23-2008 07:51 AM
How Much Should I Pay for a... Alumaholic Trailer Values 1 07-23-2006 09:11 PM
Is this too much to pay? lebolewis Axles 8 06-08-2006 07:57 PM
How Much Did You PAY ???? aviontt Upholstery, Blinds, Walls & Interior Finishes 7 11-19-2003 07:55 PM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:34 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.