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Old 09-11-2006, 08:34 AM   #81
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I measured mine right where the tongue rails come out of the shell. Mine measures 4" deep by 2" wide there.

...they didn't use a 5" frame back under the shell and neck it down to 4" for the tongue did they?
yup. you measured the a-frame. Notice that it is a "boxed" beam. The rest of the frame is an open "C"...the 4" boxed beam probably has more steel in it than the 5" C...and it is many times more rigid. They didn't want this part to flex. But the rest of the frame, they DID intend for that.
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I measured my dad's Holiday Rambler 5er. It's a monster! It's got FOURTEEN INCH DEEP FRAME RAILS!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah, I'm not surprised. that is quite literally, a house on wheels. Houses aren't meant to take the jarring that driving down the road gives. That super-sturdy frame is holding up the entire weight of the trailer...and it is also transferring those shocks to all the other parts of the trailer, which is why there won't be anyone 35 years from now on a web forum discussing the purchase or restoration of one of these behemoths.
The airstream's frame is not bearing the entire weight of the trailer, at least, not in the same way. The structure gets its strength from the synergistic effect of the monocoque shell. In some areas, its the shell that is holding up the frame, not the other way around. Support comes from both the inner and outer skins, the bows that form the shell, the floor, as well as the frame, and the attachment thereto. So the frame doesn't need to be as large...yet still, it does seem that it needed to be just a little bit stronger than it was, in some cases, or else this problem wouldn't exist.

anyway, the frame channels protrude out the back of the trailer. measure it there. It'll be 5", and it is the same for the entire length of the trailer, up to the a-frame.
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Old 09-11-2006, 05:12 PM   #82
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Thanks Chuck...that is good to know. BUT...what about the issue of an increase in frame size? During late '70s or early '80s???

Maybe you can shed some light on this??? Tom R in Two Harbors MN
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Old 09-11-2006, 05:56 PM   #83
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Call the tech guys at the repair facility at the factory in Jackson Center...they'll tell you what you want to know.
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Old 11-15-2006, 01:46 PM   #84
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I came across this one on eBay. Would you say this one has rear end seperation? Looks like it's got the tell tail elephant ears around the storage door, yet it still looks like the body is coming off the frame in the back.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-...51283592QQrdZ1
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Old 11-15-2006, 04:11 PM   #85
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Thanks Chuck...that is good to know. BUT...what about the issue of an increase in frame size? During late '70s or early '80s???

Maybe you can shed some light on this??? Tom R in Two Harbors MN
My '77 Ambassador has 5" rails, a rear bath and Frame stiffeners that appear to be factory installed.
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Old 11-15-2006, 05:53 PM   #86
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I have just bought a 1968 30' AS. I am doing my research backwards. After reading through the forums I am getting an education. Seems it may be one that could be painfull. It seems that the concensus is that they all sag or have been fixed. I have only seen pics! My wife saw it for a few minutes but did not even think we would get serious at the time. So we are planning to go from Miami to Destin Fla. about 650 miles away. We are planning to spend three nights on the road. The claim is that "every thing works". The pictures look great! but after reading this thread I am feeling a little apprehensive! Any way we are commited now and we will hope for the best!
When I arive what should I look for to determine haw bad the "SAG" is?
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Old 11-15-2006, 06:51 PM   #87
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I came across this one on eBay. Would you say this one has rear end seperation? Looks like it's got the tell tail elephant ears around the storage door, yet it still looks like the body is coming off the frame in the back.....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-AIRSTREAM-EXCELLA-500-31-ft-feet-TRAVEL-Trailer-A_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ50063QQihZ006QQitemZ1 60051283592QQrdZ1"]Airstream Excella
This Excella has "considerable" rear end separation. Someone did the elephant ear (POOR) repair that obviously from the photo's didn't last.

It also looks like the axles are about gone.

Good shape? I don't think so. Look at the front banana wraps. Dents in the bottom of the rear quarter panels.

Polish job? Not too bad. But plasticoated to protect it so that you don't have to wax it every month? Doesn't look that way.

This one should be personally inspected before any bidding.

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Old 11-16-2006, 09:31 AM   #88
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This Excella has "considerable" rear end separation. Someone did the elephant ear (POOR) repair that obviously from the photo's didn't last.
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As Andy has pointed out this trailer had the "elephant ear" repair done at some time in it's life. The repair has been mentioned many times in this forum and I wanted to post a picture of what it looks like from the outside.
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Old 11-26-2006, 02:33 PM   #89
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hi guys ,

I recently joined the forum from holland, and bought a 1978 sovereign middle bath on ebay, a while ago.
I discovered this forum after buying the A/S, and suspect rear end seperation, and maybe bad axles.
The problem is: I am in europe, and the A/S is in maryland. Since most of you have more "hands- and eyes-on " experience then I do, can you take a look at the pictures and tell me what you see ?

http://www.macnetic.net/airstream

If its in real bad shape it may make sense to fix it in the usa, instead of shipping it over first. Thank you for your help !

Axel & Annieta
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Old 11-26-2006, 02:43 PM   #90
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hi guys ,

I recently joined the forum from holland, and bought a 1978 sovereign middle bath on ebay, a while ago.
I discovered this forum after buying the A/S, and suspect rear end seperation, and maybe bad axles.
The problem is: I am in europe, and the A/S is in maryland. Since most of you have more "hands- and eyes-on " experience then I do, can you take a look at the pictures and tell me what you see ?

http://www.macnetic.net/airstream

If its in real bad shape it may make sense to fix it in the usa, instead of shipping it over first. Thank you for your help !

Axel & Annieta

They appear not as good as they could be, but not as bad either.

If you want axles then put them on before you ship the trailer. Freight to Europe for just the axles, can become expensive very quickly.

It also appears the the trailer does have rear end separation, more so on the left side than the right side.

Again, be careful who corrects this problem for you. Some know how to do it correctly, others do temporary repairs at best.

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Old 11-26-2006, 03:15 PM   #91
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Thank you for your extremely fast response, Andy !
I will be in maryland in january, and try to check the axles with the guide in my hand.

Is there anyone you would trust in the state of maryland that could handle my seperation issues ?

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Old 11-26-2006, 03:24 PM   #92
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Thank you for your extremely fast response, Andy !
I will be in maryland in january, and try to check the axles with the guide in my hand.

Is there anyone you would trust in the state of maryland that could handle my seperation issues ?

Axel & Annieta
There are no Airstream dealers in Maryland.

The closest would be Parkview in Smyrna Delaware.

They have been around for a long time and are good.

Their phone # is 800-4331346.

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Old 09-28-2008, 12:59 PM   #93
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my problem

I intend to fish plate this frame. What about the balance of the trailer when I add weight to one side other than original.
Anxiously await your replyes.
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Man, I wish there were better pics of this and the process or redoing it... I will try to post as I go... I know i have rear end sag.... Did from the day I bought it... As soon as I was about 12" from the rear bath I could feel the floor starting to drop..

Now,,,, The back tank is cracked but I have temp fix with plastic weld... Stuff works great The floor is sitting on top of the black tank which shoved the valve into the frame which cracked the tank...

The pic bellow show the wood floor completely rotted away from the frame.. We are going to Zion in two weeks and I have to get the front of the trailer rebuilt and put back in.. So the rear end is for when I get back.. Also i think the rear axel is toast... Could be part of the prob......
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Old 09-28-2008, 05:17 PM   #95
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Has anyone had this repair done professionally, and if so, can you make any recommendations? East of the Mississippi. Thanks in advance, Gwen
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Old 09-28-2008, 06:35 PM   #96
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I intend to fish plate this frame. What about the balance of the trailer when I add weight to one side other than original.
Anxiously await your replyes.
You will have to go much further than just fish plating.

The chassis will need to be realigned back to a straight line, before fish plating can be added.

If you do not realingn the chassis and go ahead with fish plating, then you will lock the trailer into a goofy shape.

The frame is crack for 2 reasons.

1. Towing the trailer with out proper running gear balance.

2. The chassis photo's also suggest that the axle has been shot for a long long time.

Towing with a bad axle, will punish the frame as well as the entire trailer.

Frame cracking as shown in your photo's is very common to towing with bad axle/axles.

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Old 09-28-2008, 08:49 PM   #97
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I still have some downward looking axial (not level yet) But looking at the wheel from the side(stepping back 15') I have less than 3" clearance.(your rule of thumb)
I can tell the trailer has been wrecked on that side.(some inward bows,cracked door and door frame)
They welded a plate to the out side of the frame to axial plate(hard to see in the pic) That plate is cracked from top to bottom. I jacked the frame up at the rear of the trailer using a spirit level to get a level reading on the rear bumper. Doing that brought the cracks together.
Any way, your telling me the shell must come off and square up the frame? Bummer,I thought so. And I thought I could do a floor replacement with shell on.
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In other words I think it took a hard hit. Harder than a hard bump with a bad axial.
I better expose the other side to veiw it's condition
I'll be back.....
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I still have some downward looking axial (not level yet) But looking at the wheel from the side(stepping back 15') I have less than 3" clearance.(your rule of thumb)
I can tell the trailer has been wrecked on that side.(some inward bows,cracked door and door frame)
They welded a plate to the out side of the frame to axial plate(hard to see in the pic) That plate is cracked from top to bottom. I jacked the frame up at the rear of the trailer using a spirit level to get a level reading on the rear bumper. Doing that brought the cracks together.
Any way, your telling me the shell must come off and square up the frame? Bummer,I thought so. And I thought I could do a floor replacement with shell on.
The frame can be repaired with the shell on.

But, when welding, you more than likely will burn part of the wood flooring.

Doing a floor replacement with the shell in place, means you will splice the floor.

The type constuction is called "monocoque".

That means the shell is load bearing. The floor is part of the shell. When you replace the floor with splices, you weaken the shell, unless the splices are minor.

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Old 09-29-2008, 09:21 PM   #100
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more surpize

Andy your the man I don't know why I was listening to myself so much.
But the one side of my axil has took a big hit due to the patch work.( in my pics).

Well any way tonight after work I removed the wheel housing on the other side and look what I found(pics)
I'll defanetly be ordering a new axil. And lining up the frame and fish plating both sides. I figure 5 or 6 feet ought to be enough. That will put 3 feet on both ends of the breaks.
So how am I doing? I sure welcome any help and do apreciate this forum. Especialy Andy. He has got to be the most patient guy around. Not to mention the most knowedgable.
I have chinked between shell and frame when removing flooring all around. The last pic showes where I am at on the project.
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