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10-23-2012, 02:13 PM
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#1021
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Rivet Master
1973 23' Safari
1977 23' Safari
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Palmer Lake
, Colorado
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,092
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 54breadloaf
... I know I'll need to put a fresh water drain in but is there anything else I need to consider that I can't put above the floor?
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You need at least one hot and one cold water drain. You need access to reach down to open the fresh tank drain. This access should also provide for the fresh water supply pipe up to your pump (unless you have a fresh tank above the floor, then you just need a drain line down through the floor and belly pan).
You need to provide perforations for propane to each appliance (fridge, stove, water heater, and maybe a space heater).
You need to provide for the brake wires.
Zep
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10-23-2012, 06:48 PM
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#1022
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3 Rivet Member
1954 22' Flying Cloud
Escondido
, California
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 109
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Are the propane lines normally run under the floor to the appliances or do they go through the wall and then to the appliances? My trailer was gutted when I bought it so I don't have a reference. Thanks, JT
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10-23-2012, 06:58 PM
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#1023
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Site Team
1974 31' Sovereign
Ottawa
, ON
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 11,219
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The ones I have seen all run the supply outside, under the body.
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10-24-2012, 03:59 AM
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#1024
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Rivet Master
1955 22' Safari
Currently Looking...
Great Lake State
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,480
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 54breadloaf
Are the propane lines normally run under the floor to the appliances or do they go through the wall and then to the appliances? My trailer was gutted when I bought it so I don't have a reference. Thanks, JT
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Gas lines should be run on the outside, with no tees or 90’ on the inside. Make sure you get the right kind of copper, there is a thin wall and there is a heavy wall, you what a rv grade type copper.
toastie
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10-24-2012, 10:02 AM
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#1025
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3 Rivet Member
1954 22' Flying Cloud
Escondido
, California
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 109
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Thanks Toastie
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10-31-2012, 06:44 PM
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#1026
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Rivet Master
1972 31' Sovereign
Lexington
, Minnesota
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,986
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We covered ours with Pex tubing that we slid on as we were putting things together in the hopes that it will protect the copper. That being said, we've never had a hole in one of our outside propane lines on any of our SOB trailers.
Kay
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11-16-2012, 08:48 AM
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#1027
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Rivet Master
1955 22' Safari
Currently Looking...
Great Lake State
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,480
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It was a great year for camping, and the trailer worked flawlessly, no problems, not one. I have one more project to do and that is to close off the tanks, the tanks hang about 4” below the frame. Typically, one would close off using aluminum, however since the tanks can’t be seen, have decided to close off with a non metal cover, like a cover you would use on a back of a pick up. My tanks can be easily removed so why not have a cover that also can be easily removed. Will start in the spring with pictures.
toastie
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11-17-2012, 10:17 PM
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#1028
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3 Rivet Member
1954 22' Flying Cloud
Escondido
, California
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 109
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Toastie, I like your idea. I had planned to do something similar with aluminum. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Fiberglass? Hey, I wanted to ask where you ran your propane lines. Are they covered by the belly skin just inside the main frame members? That's next on my list. Thanks, JT (54breadloaf)
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11-18-2012, 08:15 AM
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#1029
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Rivet Master
1955 22' Safari
Currently Looking...
Great Lake State
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,480
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 54breadloaf
Toastie, I like your idea. I had planned to do something similar with aluminum. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Fiberglass? Hey, I wanted to ask where you ran your propane lines. Are they covered by the belly skin just inside the main frame members? That's next on my list. Thanks, JT (54breadloaf)
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Will not be fiberglass, on the gas line's please read post #1024.
In the picture I have one line going to the stove top and the other
line goes to the fridg, all tee's and 90's are on the outside.
toastie
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11-18-2012, 01:30 PM
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#1030
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Site Team
1974 31' Sovereign
Ottawa
, ON
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 11,219
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Quote:
Originally Posted by toastie
Gas lines should be run on the outside, with no tees or 90’ on the inside. Make sure you get the right kind of copper, there is a thin wall and there is a heavy wall, you what a rv grade type copper.
toastie
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Quote:
Originally Posted by toastie
Will not be fiberglass, on the gas line's please read post #1024.
In the picture I have one line going to the stove top and the other
line goes to the fridg, all tee's and 90's are on the outside.
toastie
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I think it's worth saying this again:
The reason for always hanging gas lines outside the TT is that LP gas is heavier than air. This means that if you get a leak, it will pool where it is trapped.
Add a random spark or some heat, and let your imagination figure what comes next...
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11-18-2012, 04:19 PM
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#1031
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A 7th year newby
1968 24' Tradewind
Indianapolis
, Indiana
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 466
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Two deaths, dozens of homes destroyed, essentially, it was a bomb. Four miles away, our house rocked.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...=2012211170342
Pooling natural gas kills.
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Anne
Indianapolis, IN
TAC IN-7
1968 Airstream Trade Wind
2005 Chevy K1500 crew, reg. bed, 4WD, gas
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11-27-2012, 06:12 PM
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#1033
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1950 Flying Cloud 7039
1950 21' Flying Cloud
Allen
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 611
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Quote:
Originally Posted by toastie
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Good job. Now that you are famous, do you have any thing to say?
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11-27-2012, 06:58 PM
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#1034
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Rivet Master
1964 17' Bambi II
Vintage Kin Owner
Schererville
, Indiana
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,637
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Nice, Toastie! You've helped so many people with your thread....you deserve the accolades!
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1964 Bambi II
1988 Avion 32S
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11-30-2012, 09:48 AM
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#1035
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Tool Hoarder
Currently Looking...
West
, California
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 907
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Saw your write up in Airstream life this morning good for you! I know how much your thread inspired me along, thank you!!
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06-05-2013, 08:58 AM
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#1036
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1 Rivet Member
1956 22' Safari
wausau
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 9
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Your skeleton shot looks like mine ! I don't feel like a jackass anymore . I removed wheel wells and u or c or j channel was corroded where shower had splashed for years . Spread to front left panel up approx 2' so lower panels were removed and of course that's when I discovered rotten insulation and decided to yard entire interior ! Yikes what have I gotten myself into. Considering I just remodeled a 3500 sq ft. Home with similar issues you would think the the 22 ft trailer will be a breeze ! Hardly. Thank you for all the fantastic info and especially pics. I will try to do a better job documenting my every move. I see the importance of it now.
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06-08-2013, 08:01 AM
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#1037
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Rivet Master
1955 22' Safari
Currently Looking...
Great Lake State
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,480
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Quote:
Originally Posted by packer fan
Your skeleton shot looks like mine ! I don't feel like a jackass anymore . I removed wheel wells and u or c or j channel was corroded where shower had splashed for years . Spread to front left panel up approx 2' so lower panels were removed and of course that's when I discovered rotten insulation and decided to yard entire interior ! Yikes what have I gotten myself into. Considering I just remodeled a 3500 sq ft. Home with similar issues you would think the the 22 ft trailer will be a breeze ! Hardly. Thank you for all the fantastic info and especially pics. I will try to do a better job documenting my every move. I see the importance of it now.
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packer fan
you need to start your own thread to share with others.
lion fan
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07-18-2013, 09:44 AM
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#1038
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1 Rivet Member
1967 17' Caravel
Lufkin
, Texas
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 8
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Quote:
Originally Posted by toastie
Finished first compound cut and removed floor, will compound second time
after the new floor is in. Looking for a local welder for frame repair.
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How was the task of replacing the floor without removing the shell. I am wanting to replace the floor in my '67 Caravel and do not have the equipment or man power, 24 year old girl.., to take off the shell.
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07-21-2013, 09:57 AM
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#1039
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Rivet Master
1955 22' Safari
Currently Looking...
Great Lake State
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,480
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasAir67
How was the task of replacing the floor without removing the shell. I am wanting to replace the floor in my '67 Caravel and do not have the equipment or man power, 24 year old girl.., to take off the shell.
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TexasAir67
My restoration was a shell off, much easier to do than shell on.
toastie
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07-21-2013, 11:52 AM
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#1040
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Rivet Master
1973 23' Safari
1977 23' Safari
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Palmer Lake
, Colorado
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,092
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasAir67
How was the task of replacing the floor without removing the shell. I am wanting to replace the floor in my '67 Caravel and do not have the equipment or man power, 24 year old girl.., to take off the shell.
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I tell myself every time to do a shell off and I violate the promise every time. I assure you that replacing the floor and POR-15'ing the frame will be much less work, in total, with the shell off. Why I can't learn this lesson myself is a mystery.
You only need one helper to get the shell off (after you take everything out of the inside including the wheel wells--all the wiring except the brakes is in the shell). Drill out the rivets in the hold down plates in the front and back and disconnect the C channel. Takes time, but easy to do. Brace the shell at the mid-point and at the forward and rear ribs (so it retains its shape and you can get it back on). Lift one end and stick a long 2x4 under, do the same at the back. Then you can set the shell up on 4 saw horses and pull the wheels and fame out from underneath.
Piece of cake.
Note: the old advertising shows one guy holding up the shell, but it doesn't have windows in it. They are heavy.
Zep
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