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10-31-2012, 11:32 PM
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#241
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2 Rivet Member
1989 32' Excella
Silverton
, Colorado
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 46
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Yes Christina, I was also thinking about heating up the tubes and syringes in warm water while in bags. If the weather holds out I might be able to do some of the seam work here. The type of syringes that I found look to be what you describe as the feeding type. The store only had a few. It is very possible that I might have to use your clip the cover on an injection syringe idea. Thanks And Steve, I sorta had my camera buried in a cabinet that had all kinds of junk piled around and on it.So I didn't get any pictures I'm sorry to say.
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11-02-2012, 09:39 PM
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#242
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Limited
Wichita
, Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 817
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Today was a big day for Ralph and me because we made a lot of progress. Actually, we had been patiently preparing the way for this progress for months, but things started coming together. We started the morning by going to a local lumber store and bought four sheets of ACX fir plywood. Then we re-measured a few dimensions and made a cut sheet for the four sheets of plywood so as to try and not waste any wood.
Next, we marked and made the initial cuts with a circular saw and labeled each piece and its orientation. That’s me with the saw.
Then, we marked the wood according to the previously made cardboard patterns (Ralph doing the marking on this one).
Then, we cut out the curves on the plywood with the jig saw, made the rabbit around the edge, chamfered the top and bottom edge with the sander. Thanks Mark Lee for this suggestion, I was going to use a router and it was one less tool that I had to set up. The C Channel was widened one last time with a pry bar and the two front corner pieces were persuaded into position with a mallet and a block of wood. I backed it up with a big square steel bar on the outside of the shell as dolly.
Today was a big day for Ralph and me because we made a lot of progress. Actually, we had been patiently preparing the way for this progress for months, but things started coming together. We started the morning by going to a local lumber store and bought four sheets of ACX fir plywood. Then we re-measured a few dimensions and made a cut sheet for the four sheets of plywood so as to try and not waste any wood.
Next, we marked and made the initial cuts with a circular saw and labeled each piece and its orientation. That’s me with the saw.
Then, we marked the wood according to the previously made cardboard patterns (Ralph doing the marking on this one).
Then, we cut out the curves on the plywood with the jig saw, made the rabbit around the edge, chamfered the top and bottom edge with the sander. Thanks Mark Lee for this suggestion, I was going to use a router and it was one less tool that I had to set up. The C Channel was widened one last time with a pry bar and the two front corner pieces were persuaded into position with a mallet and a block of wood. I backed it up with a big square steel bar on the outside of the shell as dolly.
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11-03-2012, 08:29 AM
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#243
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Limited
Wichita
, Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 817
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I don't know what happened in the last post but a lot of the pictures and text posted twice...sorry about that.
Steve
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11-03-2012, 10:33 PM
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#244
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,378
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bryant
I don't know what happened in the last post but a lot of the pictures and text posted twice...sorry about that.
Steve
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Hi, I think that, that means, it's twice the work on a 34'er. Nice job, keep up the good work.
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"Le Petit Chateau Argent" Small Silver Castle
2000 Navigator / 2014 F-150 Eco-Boost / Equal-i-zer / P-3
YAMAHA 2400 / AIR #12144
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11-28-2012, 10:24 PM
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#246
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Limited
Wichita
, Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 817
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The left side floor is now replaced and bolted in place on the outriggers and using wafer head screws toward the interior side. All of this is goodness!
However, the right side of the floor was rotted in front at the gap between the straight side and the beginning of the radiused corner and fore and aft of the threshold of the entry door.
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11-28-2012, 10:36 PM
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#247
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Limited
Wichita
, Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 817
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Here you can check out the rodent residence bedding under the right side belly wrap. The mice even made a small attic annex just forward of the door frame.
With the stove and furnace removed, I decided to cut the right side out from the centerline of the frame rail outboard and from the new plywood I the right front corner to just aft of the gas supply lines for the furnace and the stove.
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11-28-2012, 10:39 PM
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#248
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Limited
Wichita
, Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 817
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The right side plywood is now replaced and bolted in place. I had to drill new holes for the threshold that were further inboard in order for the threshold to really clamp the plywood and bolt through to the steel strap below. The factory had screws in the holes, but they didn’t attach to anything. It did look OK if appearances count for anything. I’ll put three additional SS screws back in those holes to seal them up and make it look right again.
Tomorrow, Ralph and I are going to do some more miscellaneous riveting, sealing and then re-evaluate/inspect the work that we’ve done up front prior to moving to the flooring in the rear next week.
We’re also looking at having the dinette and couch cushions partially reupholstered. Carolyn has bought some great looking plaid indoor/outdoor upholstery (remnants that were on sale at Hancock’s)!
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11-29-2012, 05:18 AM
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#249
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4 Rivet Member
1999 34' Excella
NE Central
, Kansas
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 321
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Looks good Steve! One question: are you going to replace the rodent rally zone in the belly pan? Thanks again for the documentation.
Philip
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11-29-2012, 07:12 AM
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#250
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Limited
Wichita
, Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 817
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipKS
Looks good Steve! One question: are you going to replace the rodent rally zone in the belly pan? Thanks again for the documentation.
Philip
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Phillip, I'm reluctant to attempt to evict my tenants, but yes...the source of their pink nesting material is gone and I plan to replace it with solid foam core insulation (probably Super Tuff-R from Home Depot). I also plan to do everything that I can to prevent entrance for my little mammal buddies. I know that it's discriminatory, but this is a type of exclusion that I hope will work.
Steve
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11-29-2012, 06:48 PM
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#251
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
1963 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Central
, Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,919
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Now THAT is how an Airstream should be built!
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11-30-2012, 10:01 AM
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#252
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Limited
Wichita
, Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 817
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Vernon, thank you very much! I'm mostly consolidating and perhaps refining many of the ideas that I've gotten here at Air Forums.
Steve
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12-08-2012, 09:55 PM
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#253
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Limited
Wichita
, Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 817
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In the past week and a half, Ralph and I have put in some long days on the trailer and I’ve put in some extra days and evenings myself. It’s all bearing fruit and hopefully soon I’ll have some other details taken care of and the furnace reinstalled and operating as the cold weather is setting in again.
We finished up the last bit of riveting (well, all that I can think of right now). These were blind rivets (rather than bucked rivets) that we installed behind the shower and refrigerator. I used the “Q” Style Blind Rivets from Hanson Rivet and Supply because they are supposed to be water tight and have very good shear strength compared to Olympic rivets (see http://www.hansonrivet.com/w28.htm). We drilled out the 1/8” rivets with a #20 bit and installed the QAAD502 or QAAD504 rivets shown on the hyperlinked chart. These rivets are not a shaved style rivet and the mandrel can be slightly below the surface of the fastener head or can protrude slightly proud (depending on material thickness and grip range of rivet). They all go under the beltline molding and won’t show anyway. As with all our other rivets, we drilled the holes, used some 5/64” Clecos as place holders along the way, injected some TremPro 635 into and around the hole with a syringe and installed the rivets. Then if the mandrels were sticking out, I ground them down with a sandpaper disc on a die grinder and we put a small dollop of TremPro on the rivet head for additional water sealing.
Picture of the rivets (note rivet on lower right of Cleco)
Ralph installing one of the Rivets
Rivets in different conditions: some with short or long mandrels, some have their mandrels ground down, some have been sealed with TremPro.
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12-08-2012, 09:56 PM
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#254
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Limited
Wichita
, Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 817
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This post is a little off topic, but since this thread deals with leaks as well as floor and frame and is some of what we’ve done, I decided to include it. Some of you may recall that the lower left skin panel on my trailer had been damaged and was re-skinned with a second layer of 0.040” aluminum. In the area of the water tank, this left two layers of skin.
I decided to tie them together with Rivnuts that had internal threads for #8-32 screws. That would tie the skins together and allow the use of threaded fasteners rather than sheet metal screws. I also installed a shim plate using TremPro on the bottom because the bottom edge (on the outside of the C Channel of the shell extrusion) was a long ways from being flush with the plane of the rest of the skin where the water heater was installed.
Here’s what it looks like on the inside (Styrofoam insulation removed to inspect water heater tank).
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12-08-2012, 09:58 PM
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#255
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Limited
Wichita
, Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 817
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Another thing that I’ve dealt with is sealing all of the holes where someone had installed the lower left side second skin with Olympic rivets that plunged directly into the OSB. Once the Olympic rivets were drilled out and de-burred, I injected TremPro into the holes and widened and straightened the C Channel where necessary.
This picture shows all of the extra holes in the C Channel before sealing. Note: I used the biggest common nails that I could find in the hardware store to keep the shell on the outriggers for the past ten months or so.
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12-08-2012, 10:00 PM
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#256
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Limited
Wichita
, Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 817
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12-08-2012, 10:08 PM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Limited
Wichita
, Kansas
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 817
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Once the rear bedroom plywood was cut to shape, planed and sanded, I installed the outboard sections in the rear. With the front edges in approximate position, the rear radiused section can be started outboard and the front and back can be alternately tapped outboard to seat the plywood.
Then, I clamped 2X boards onto the cross members to maintain the plywood’s position while I took the five pound rubber mallet outside to gently persuade the C Channel the rest of the way home onto the plywood.
Note: before I seated the plywood into the C Channel into position, I had put some pieces of masking tape on the frame and marked reference marks onto the tape for the outrigger positions. Then I made green marks on the edge of the U Channel for the outrigger centerlines and red marks on the U Channel for the cross members and put my color coding on a piece of masking tape (to be removed later). If all of this stuff seems anal and overly-analytical, remember that I’m a retired engineer! When the outboard sections of plywood were installed, I transferred the green outrigger locations to the plywood and removed the tape. This tells me where to put an outrigger screw when I won’t be able to see where to drill later on. BTW, I tried my electronic stud finder on the floor and it didn’t work very well (showed the 2 inch wide steel structure to be about 4” wide)
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Then I installed one inch Super Tuff-R (R 6.5) from below. The insulation was held in place by being a slight interference fit and it also has one inch aluminum angle on the forward and aft sides of the cross members.
Once the insulation was in place I installed the center sections of Plywood in the rear. Praise be to God…it’s starting to become a trailer again instead of a project that turned very ugly about a year ago!
I ordered some more wafer head screws from Fastenal because I’ve run out…they’ll be in Monday morning. I need to get the water heater (or a filler panel) installed and the left rear tail/turn signal housing installed so that most of the incoming air will be kept out. I’ll stuff rags in the smaller openings. Then I’ll add bolts to my rear separation area and screw down the floor. After that, I’ll work on the furnace so I’ll have some warm air inside.
Saga to be continued....
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12-09-2012, 04:30 PM
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#260
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Rivet Master
1981 31' Excella II
New Market
, Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,145
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Good Job Steve. What was the reason of the Hansen rivets that are about half way up the wall under the upper belt line?
Perry
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