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Old 07-03-2013, 06:54 PM   #341
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after a trip out to fort Davis and Big Bend with the little fellow rolling on
P 235/75R15 cooper tires from Discount and with no load equalizer hitch , only the sway bar , the report is in and it has passed with flying colors !
No sag , No sway , pulled perfectly despite a crosswind from the depths of Hell ! ---- Full fresh water tank and all our STUFF loaded, two spare tires for the Dodge, Airstream and little one wheel generator trailer, and full load of diesel. "over 1500 mile round trip with zero fuel stops"
Next trial run is up through Alberta, British Columbia , The Klondike gold fields of the Yukon, then up through Alaska. and back.
OK , we are now in Alaska , having put another 5000 miles on the trailer over
some very rough frost heaved , and gravel and dirt roads through Brirish Columbia and the Yukon , can report the frame has performed flawlessly and the 60 dollar each P 235/75R15 Cooper tires from Discount still look brand new and no flats at all !!!!
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Old 07-04-2013, 01:09 PM   #342
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OK , we are now in Alaska , having put another 5000 miles on the trailer over
some very rough frost heaved , and gravel and dirt roads through Brirish Columbia and the Yukon , can report the frame has performed flawlessly and the 60 dollar each P 235/75R15 Cooper tires from Discount still look brand new and no flats at all !!!!
GOOD SHOW!! Enjoy yourself and have a trouble free trip.
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Old 08-23-2013, 06:30 PM   #343
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Early frame failures are usually due to grossly out of balance running gear, or, towing with a super heavy duty tow vehicle and an excessively rated hitch bars, or a combination of those.

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Hi Andy. I know you keep track of things here on the forum so I hope you see this post. I have a 62 FC that went around the world with the 63/64 caravan. The trailer carried a bumper mounted spare and I believe that the extra weight has caused the frame to sag.
My thoughts for fixing the problem is to box the frame. Is this a good idea and will it work?
Thanks for your help, Wally H.
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Old 03-29-2015, 11:13 AM   #344
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OK, so just to clarify, I've looked through this whole thread and it appears I might be ok with my 2005 Safari 22'?
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Old 03-29-2015, 07:34 PM   #345
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This is a lot to read does it apply to all 22' 2002
Internationals or just CCD model the trailer I am curious about is a rear kitchen model.
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Old 03-30-2015, 07:53 AM   #346
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This is a lot to read does it apply to all 22' 2002
Internationals or just CCD model the trailer I am curious about is a rear kitchen model.
The frame problem is a design problem and applies to all 22' Int made in that year. The frame has since been beefed up. A failure will depend on how many miles you put on it and driving conditions.
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Old 03-30-2015, 07:55 AM   #347
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OK, so just to clarify, I've looked through this whole thread and it appears I might be ok with my 2005 Safari 22'?
Yes, you should be ok.... you lucky duck.
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Old 03-30-2015, 06:56 PM   #348
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OK, so just to clarify, I've looked through this whole thread and it appears I might be ok with my 2005 Safari 22'?
Sorry to be the one to be the bearer of bad news, my 2005 22 ft Safari double axle was about to loose the entire wet noodle frame before I caught it and spent countless days beefing it up with about 500 pounds of good steel. Don G has seen it and you can read my posts and pics on this thread for details
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Old 04-09-2015, 04:27 PM   #349
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can someone provide the part number or service bulletin for the upgraded outrigger?
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Old 04-09-2015, 06:50 PM   #350
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This is a lot to read does it apply to all 22' 2002
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It seems to be pretty much all 22' models of the '02-'06 era.
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Old 02-04-2016, 01:35 PM   #351
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Have not heard about any resent problems with this frame in particular , perhaps the posts have moved to a more recent thread ?
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Old 02-05-2016, 09:30 AM   #352
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Have not heard about any resent problems with this frame in particular , perhaps the posts have moved to a more recent thread ?
I have not heard of any frame problems on newer rigs. You may recall mine is an ..02 and one of the first made of this model. I have had the original frame replaced with a ''newer'' one and it also failed. After welding on additional support railings and new outriggers it seems to be holding up. So far so good on the frame. I have had many other failures, i.e. the fresh water holding tank leaked, the tank monitors don't work, and the list goes on.
It is an expensive piece of junk. I would buy another AS but NOT a new model. BTW I have to own an AS because I live at NTAC.
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Old 02-06-2016, 08:33 AM   #353
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My 05 22 streetside galley with rear desk was not spared. Had a frame break clear through just behind the rear axle on curb side.
After much research and communication with the factory the issue was poor metal. They fatigue and break.
Once the issue was found out they apparently welded stiffeners and outrigger overlays to the new units coming off the line in 03 and 04 but for some reason my unit did not get the treatment in 04.
Anyway the factory worked with me to fix the issue to my satisfaction. I got a welding kit sent to me and they took care of my costs for a reputable welder to do the repair. Very helpful.
I keep checking my frame and all is good. Better than new actually.
I made a mod to my layout and ditched the dinette for pull out L seating with drop in pole tables. So much better and way more functional. The bed is much bigger on the slide and EASY to make- no more cuts and pinches with the drop down table lol.
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Old 04-14-2016, 11:07 PM   #354
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Wow, I just read this whole thread and was just a little surprised at the frame failures. The first thing I thought of when I heard of the frame failures was metal quality. I'm not a professional welder but I've welded a variety of things back together and it does seem like there is some difference in the quality or chemical make up of steel. Sometimes it seems like there is something wrong with the metal as if there are impurities that turn to slag in the puddle. Guys used to say "cheap imported crap" when that happened. I'm pretty sure if a frame maker was shopping for a price on the steel they could have got stuck with something that was not as good as what was promised. Also, I have wondered if there was any real engineering put into an Airstream? I would like to hear from an Airstream factory engineer just why it is that the frame and shell are joined with wood the way it is, is that the best way for some reason? Why is it exactly, does anybody know why Airstreams are done this way? In any case there are a lot of examples of products not living up to the expectations that the computer models predicted. Stuff happens... Anyway, it's a bit shocking that something that is a "premium product" and sells for so much money would have a frame problem. I can see how it could happen if the frames are outsourced.
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Old 04-16-2016, 07:44 AM   #355
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One of the objectives for that model was to reduce the weight. And indeed they did. The result was a frame that was NOT field tested and was to light to handle the body on the road. The people who bought the early ones became the ''field testers''.
The unique feature of an AS is the alum body and shape, not the quality.
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Old 04-16-2016, 08:01 AM   #356
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One of the objectives for that model was to reduce the weight. And indeed they did. The result was a frame that was NOT field tested and was to light to handle the body on the road. The people who bought the early ones became the ''field testers''.
The unique feature of an AS is the alum body and shape, not the quality.
I think you are correct. There is no doubt that the frames were too weak. It could be the quality of the steel or just the thickness of the steel, or a combination of both. Either way, they were not strong enough. The newer trailers, including longer lengths, use the same basic frame structure. If they last, they are probably marginal at best. This frame issue isn't anything new. Avion copied the basic trailer design of the Airstream with a completely different frame design. They did this for a reason, and they did it decades ago. I really believe that Airstreams design worked well when the trailers were smaller. When they got longer and heavier, they should have gone to something similar to what Avion did. The weight difference (as a percentage of the total trailer weight) isn't that much when you are dealing with a trailer with as many options as they come with today.
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Old 04-17-2016, 03:15 AM   #357
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Well yes, a lot of vehicles and other things are touted as made with new high strength steel to reduce weight. Also I know some truck frames shouldn't be welded on because of the type of steel. Crap, sometimes things don't work like they were supposed to. All you folks that got screwed by being unknowing "Beta Testers" have my sincere sympathy! I would hope a class action suit could help all you folks. A real shame this happened.
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Old 04-18-2016, 06:57 AM   #358
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We ''Guinea Pigs'' talked about a class action suit but nobody took the initiative to get it started. I have gotten use to owning a defective AS and learned a lesson, don't buy the first of a new model.
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Old 04-18-2016, 12:35 PM   #359
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Don and all others: One of the really sad things is that IMHO, the CCD with the side kitchen & desk was one of the best layouts Airstream ever had in the small trailers. The wet bath was relatively huge and easy to use, squeegee down and clean, the desk was handy for all sorts of projects - and even as a makeup table if needed. The Dinette "cushions" - eh, not so much, and the front bedroom was quite comfortable. Also had a handy "hide the laundry" space at the foot of the bed, and a bigger closet than the 25'. The very small refrigerator wasn't a big problem - and the resulting BIG kitchen counter was really handy. Plenty of room to add a microwave.

Unfortunately - no one is every going to truly LOVE their 2002-2005 CCD's until AFTER they do a frame off reno and replace the piece of crap frame.

Now that I'm getting ready to retire I almost wish I had the 22 back instead of the 25'. Oh, and if your sliding doors slide open, just crimp the ends of the metal glides so that they "stick" when fully shut.

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Old 04-18-2016, 02:50 PM   #360
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Iron can Crystallize and become Brittle in the process

This is more out of the realm of Airstream 'frame failures' but it does not hurt to toss in other examples of failures in Industrial situations. Not that the 22' iron frame failure is related, but one must look at the frame to see if it has 'crystallized' at the break.

Natural Gas compression in Wyoming used large engines (1970) to compress natural gas into a liquid form to be transported in natural gas pipelines. The constant low frequency engine vibrations would crystalize and weaken the hand rails where they became brittle and would snap if you applied pressure in their use. The edges would show a rough break with crystal granular edges. These handrails were reported to need to be replaced once some had become brittle.

It might have affected the piston rods, crankshaft and other iron parts of these 'huge engines'.

Using the axles as a fulcrum and the rear of axle and the front of axle flexing, I can visualize these fulcrum points creating 'heat' and flexing which would speed up the crystalizing of the iron making it brittle and then failing.

Of course, this is taking one industrial example and applying it to a higher mileage 22 foot trailer frames. The 19th Century, expanding uses of iron alloys, discovered a lot of problems with iron and it would be nice if those building frames understood iron alloys better today.

Take a thin piece of iron material you can flex yourself. Moving it back and forth creates heat and then the metal fails... you call it successful as you wanted it to fail. Even a piece of frame is solid and appears unable to flex in a three foot section. Make it 22 feet+ long and if not strong... it will flex when weighted down on the back and the hitch holding the front down. The center can heat up, rust or corrode over time and fail.

Railroad track is an excellent example with 1/4 mile rail and you can curve it without difficulty using modern rail equipment. It is expected in these lengths for use. Take ten feet... good luck trying to easily make it sag...

Sometimes something totally unrelated makes sense. In my case, this beats plowing more of the big snow storm here in Colorado.
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