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Old 12-09-2010, 05:04 PM   #201
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Those cracks are of little concern. You can still rv fine. My cracks are about the same and i am not concerned in the least. The repair is not hard. I fabricate for a living and am very experienced. The fear mongering is a little rediculous really. Dons frame for whatever reason is completely trashed. I dont know why his is so bad, could be climate,the roads,TV,towing with full tanks, who knows. Not only that but a botched frame repair. Many variables. You can not relate Dons terrible experience with everyone elses.
Sure, i have a few small cracks as does Julianne. Am i going to lose any sleep? No.
Dont stress yourself out, those cracks are not major,get them fixed,should not cost more than $500 and dont tow with full black and grey tanks.
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Old 01-01-2011, 11:25 AM   #202
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I am in contact with Airstream and working on getting this resolved. Thanks.
Did you get the frame fixed yet?
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Old 01-01-2011, 01:15 PM   #203
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I got my parts in the mail just before xmas. I will install them when it slows down at work. I recieved 10 gussets ,5 left and 5 right for the outriggers + 2 plates that look like they lie flat on the frame? When i get down to it i will figure out where they go.
The parts look very well made,nicely cut with a cnc lazer or waterjet and broken with a cnc brake. I am happy with the parts.
Jim got them to me in a timely manner so no complaints with airstreams customer service.
Don? Whats happening with your rig? Are you talking with airstream for some kind of resolution or are you going to bite the bullet and get a new frame built.
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My parts were just delivered also to the person doing my work for me. Going to cruise on out there and get 'er fixed asap.
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Stiffening kit was welded on this week, glad to have that done. Turns out my frame was buckled and cracked. I am very happy I went to Uwe @ Area 63 Productions in Orange County to have the work done. I also had him replace the rear stabilizers and add ones to the front, I figure the more more support the better.
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Old 03-05-2011, 07:06 AM   #206
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Stiffening kit was welded on this week, glad to have that done. Turns out my frame was buckled and cracked. I am very happy I went to Uwe @ Area 63 Productions in Orange County to have the work done. I also had him replace the rear stabilizers and add ones to the front, I figure the more more support the better.
That is GREAT! I asume the kit you are talking about is the two 5' long iron rails that get welded on the rear of the frame AND all of the outriggers got added braces.
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Old 07-13-2011, 11:16 AM   #207
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Just read your message of 2009. We have a 2003, 22', rear bath, that we have just now discovered the same problem. What finally happened in your case?
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:39 PM   #208
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Just read your posting. We have a '03, Int'l ccd, 22' with major outrigger and frame problems just like everyone else. We would be very much interested in filing a class action law suit it everyone else wants to do so. It is currently in a shop in Tennessee, to replace the rotting floor from leaking, and all this was discovered.
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Old 07-13-2011, 05:14 PM   #209
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I'd like a straight answer here.........a friend of mine was just ripping up the floor in his 19' '63 to weld a break in the frame. Or should I say "frame"? I saw the frame in his! It was about 12 ga. stamped sheet metal for crying out loud!! And the channel edges weren't very deep at all! And........he was telling me that my '06 Bambi's frame is the same as his!!

He was welding a cover plate over the break inside and out and had taken the spare tire off the back bumper.

Now I don't have the patience to read 15 pages of posts here, but the few I did read make me sick! Is the unit a back bathroom? Did you tow with too hefty of a TV? Did you tow with the tanks full? What kinda crap is this, anyway? Sounds like nothing short of a bunch of sorry excuses for building too light in the first place. I've built and rebuilt a lot of farm machinery in my life and I know full well how stress cracks develope in sheet metal.

I was just now on the factory tour to get a glimpse of the farme but, sorry, you have to come on Friday to see that! Sooooo.......what do they use for frames now??

Like a dummy, I just assumed that they had channel iron like the hitch from there on back.

So which is it??
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Old 07-14-2011, 09:05 AM   #210
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Just read your posting. We have a '03, Int'l ccd, 22' with major outrigger and frame problems just like everyone else. We would be very much interested in filing a class action law suit it everyone else wants to do so. It is currently in a shop in Tennessee, to replace the rotting floor from leaking, and all this was discovered.
If your going to file, count me in! We all bought a poorly engineered unit that now has little or no resale value!! And to make matters worse the factory will not back up their product and make it right. Is all you might get is patches to put on at our expense .
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Just read your message of 2009. We have a 2003, 22', rear bath, that we have just now discovered the same problem. What finally happened in your case?
Join the many who got screwed by Airstream. I'm sorry to say that it is your problem not theirs.
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Old 08-12-2011, 09:47 PM   #212
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I am in the middle of buying a 2006 22 CCD and it is going to a dealer Sunday for inspection... is this something they will easily find? I am asking the seller to take a list of specific areas I want looked at closely, and the frame/outriggers are at the top of the list.

I gather that by 2006, this seems to have been sorted out at the factory?
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According to Airstream, that issue was resolved mid 2004. I had asked for the kit to fix it and was told that for my serial number, 516095, that the issue had been resolved.
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According to Airstream, that issue was resolved mid 2004. I had asked for the kit to fix it and was told that for my serial number, 516095, that the issue had been resolved.
Good to know. I have a 519xxx so hopefully no other major issues show up. Thanks to all who contributed to this discussion - very interesting things to consider that you wouldn't normally...
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Friday and jimelmoreiiii - both of you may want to take some time to do a closer inspection of the units you are talking about. The frame supports would be on the units and show a doubling in the outriggers - so one bend in the support going forward and one rearward at each sub-floor attachment point. Check for a mold smell in the units when sitting with the AC off, check for black spots in the finished floor material. Look under the unit for rotten sub-floor material specifically under the bathroom and rear of the trailer. Tough to do with the tanks in the way but it can be done. I would not buy this model again without a complete inspection. Fixed in 2004 - news to me after a week in the repair facilities at AS - techs there said this continues in all years of this size.
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I am in the middle of buying a 2006 22 CCD and it is going to a dealer Sunday for inspection... is this something they will easily find? I am asking the seller to take a list of specific areas I want looked at closely, and the frame/outriggers are at the top of the list.

I gather that by 2006, this seems to have been sorted out at the factory?
I will trade mine for yours and I will throw in $30,000 to boot. You will have so much fun with a 2003, welding the frame and all. And look at the gas you will save because you can't take it anywhere.
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I will trade mine for yours and I will throw in $30,000 to boot. You will have so much fun with a 2003, welding the frame and all. And look at the gas you will save because you can't take it anywhere.
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That is really crappy... if I had a shop where I could lift the body, it would make a good winter project.

I put a deposit on it, it's on it's way to the dealer on Sunday for an inspection, and if it's all good then I'll be on my way next week to get it. I can take a few more days off and swing by Texas to trade.
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WOW...I so much want to buy an Airstream..it's all I talk about with my friends..but this thread REALLY scares me....this one along with the floor rot issues on 2005 and newer units...How much floorspace is there that they can't use marine grade or better plywood or SOMETHING that does not rot?????


And this frame thing is scary..I wanted to buy a gently used but now I think the one thing I REALLY need is a NEW flashlight.

Why do all you current owners of units with these problems seem to be so accepting?

Interior appointments are nice but geez if the the frame is failing after 1000 miles and the floor is rotting after three years.....how is this any better than a throw away SOB?
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Old 08-14-2011, 12:33 AM   #219
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A lot of Airstreamers put on a brave face and don't tell their horror stories to their friends... as do a lot of other RV owners. Other than the shiny skin, Airstreams aren't built so different than other RV's. Most of the functional parts are all used in many other brands... it's not like they make a special faucet or water tank just for Airstream... I think most RV owners put up with a lot of poor designs and poor assembly.

I looked at my dad's 28 foot 5th wheel (some generic brand), and it's just a frame, plywood, and some tin over top. While Airstream has a unique cabin construction, they are just the same as any other underneath... What would be a true innovation would be cast aluminum full-circle construction, like an airplane, with a cast aluminum frame.

At least with an Airstream, when you wake up in the morning, it just looks and feels like a work of art. Maybe not put together with the care you'd like, but you can just make up some story in your head about all the love and care that went into making it.

In reality, they - and all RV's - need quite a bit of tending to keep in great shape, and can be very unforgiving of screw ups. Airstreams in particular are bad for dings, scratches, and dents - that are impossible for the average person to repair themselves... and look like crap if they aren't fixed...

Why do we put up with it? Because they are cool, and Airstream has done a better job of managing their brand than managing their quality control...

BTW, all their new units use marine grade plywood with some magic seal around the outside. Though, one needs to ask... if Wally was 50 years ahead of his time in construction technique... why has Airstream stayed the same for 50 years? Full cast-frames and use of lots of composite materials should be standard with $50,000+ trailers...

We debated a LOT on going with a light-weight with a slide or two... makes a nice big space... but in the end, I don't mind tinkering - gives me something to do - and it's just a fun experience having an Airstream... kind of like owning an old MG... they suck in all kinds of ways as a car... but still provide an enjoyable experience to the right owner...
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a lot of airstreamers put on a brave face and don't tell their horror stories to their friends... As do a lot of other rv owners. Other than the shiny skin, airstreams aren't built so different than other rv's. Most of the functional parts are all used in many other brands... It's not like they make a special faucet or water tank just for airstream... I think most rv owners put up with a lot of poor designs and poor assembly.

I looked at my dad's 28 foot 5th wheel (some generic brand), and it's just a frame, plywood, and some tin over top. While airstream has a unique cabin construction, they are just the same as any other underneath... What would be a true innovation would be cast aluminum full-circle construction, like an airplane, with a cast aluminum frame.

At least with an airstream, when you wake up in the morning, it just looks and feels like a work of art. Maybe not put together with the care you'd like, but you can just make up some story in your head about all the love and care that went into making it.

In reality, they - and all rv's - need quite a bit of tending to keep in great shape, and can be very unforgiving of screw ups. Airstreams in particular are bad for dings, scratches, and dents - that are impossible for the average person to repair themselves... And look like crap if they aren't fixed...

Why do we put up with it? Because they are cool, and airstream has done a better job of managing their brand than managing their quality control...

Btw, all their new units use marine grade plywood with some magic seal around the outside. Though, one needs to ask... If wally was 50 years ahead of his time in construction technique... Why has airstream stayed the same for 50 years? Full cast-frames and use of lots of composite materials should be standard with $50,000+ trailers...

We debated a lot on going with a light-weight with a slide or two... Makes a nice big space... But in the end, i don't mind tinkering - gives me something to do - and it's just a fun experience having an airstream... Kind of like owning an old mg... They suck in all kinds of ways as a car... But still provide an enjoyable experience to the right owner...
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