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Old 01-25-2012, 02:44 PM   #1
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Exclamation Exploding Floor

Soooo.... has anyone ever seen this happen? We had a cold snap a couple of weeks ago. I hadn't been in the trailer since then, but today went inside to check it out. There is a huge tear in the vinyl... it's hard to see but there are stress lines that branch out from the huge rips but are not through the whole layer... kind of like the clear-coat is cracked.

Needless to say... I am sick to my stomach. Just bought this last fall and haven't even made a trip in it yet. From what I can see, the 'proper' way to replace the lino is to take the whole interior out... not good...

Anyway... called insurance and they are going to send an adjuster sometime to look at it... hopefully they will cover it, but I have my doubts.

If they don't... what are my options? Try put in a laminate flooring and just cut around the cabinets and such?

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Old 01-25-2012, 02:50 PM   #2
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Oh my gosh! Could you have a water leak? Water expands when it freezes. Yikes!
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Old 01-25-2012, 02:57 PM   #3
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Nope... the floor underneath is dry... and frozen... it's been below freezing for months. We had some -40 weather for a week though. I can't find any sign of water, ice, or anything like that. The crack goes all the way forward under the bed (FB) but the entire back half of the trailer is OK.

It is just the lino that is damaged as far as I can tell... underneath is particle board, it is flat and true... no bulges, cracks or heaves... all water was drained from the unit in the fall... I don't want to mess with it too much until the adjuster looks at it...
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Have you considered sending some pictures to Jackson Center to see if they have seen anything like this before? I would want to understand the root cause before I installed new floor covering. I would think it is caused by expansion and contraction but that a purely a guess.

I hope all goes well for you in working through this.
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I've seen that exact thing here. One of our guests stores their trailer here for winters, and the linoleum in it split all over the place during the winter.

Big throw rugs.

Sorry to hear (and see) that this happened!


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I wonder if your customer's flooring is the same as Friday's? I can't imagine that something designed for outdoor use in North America would do that in New Mexico, of all places.

Just how cold does winter get there, Lynn?
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Old 01-25-2012, 05:17 PM   #7
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They are going to say -40 is out of the duty range of that material. I guess you found the glass transition temperature of that material. Lots of things are brittle at that temperature. Good luck on the insurance claim.

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Last winter, we did reach -40F one night. That was a record for our stay here (last 12 years), but not a record for the area.


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I wonder if your customer's flooring is the same as Friday's? I can't imagine that something designed for outdoor use in North America would do that in New Mexico, of all places.

Just how cold does winter get there, Lynn?
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Old 01-25-2012, 06:20 PM   #9
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Frozen then cracked - seen this before in a SOB - looked the same in that trailer to.
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I wonder if your customer's flooring is the same as Friday's? I can't imagine that something designed for outdoor use in North America would do that in New Mexico, of all places.

Just how cold does winter get there, Lynn?
Not sure how cold it does get, but Angle Fire is a ski resort. I learned to ski there.
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:12 PM   #11
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Has anyone tried a paint-on rubber floor instead of vinyl or laminate? In a tool shed I built once I painted the floor with a textured rubber paint. Seemed to hold up well... but it was over actual plywood. This is of course chip-board underneath.
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You are VERY wise to wait for the adjustor to inspect it.....too many people will self attempt, then the adjustor will or can decline coverage. Be sure to really document the facts for him, perhaps a quick word document on what you did in preperation for the winter ( a winterzation check list if you followed it) or a receipt form the RV shop that did it for you if that is the case would work wonders. I am very sorry for your experience. Take it one step at a time, then work within the network here and at the Mother Ship in Ohio to get a fix.

I can not say I ever experienced the floor .....but I can lend some hope, A table that I had made for our dinette out of hard woods was true and level when I parked it last fall. I went to get a few items out of the unit in storage and I almost had a heart attack. The table was warped 4-6 " I kid you not over a 3' length. I thought it was lost. I called a good friend in the business, and he said, after a good shot of your favorite beverage to calm your nerves, get it to a warm tempature over a period of time, THEN, apply wet cloths to it, and seal it in a bag. OK, I thought he was out of his mind, but we were at -35 for 8 weeks straight. Soooooo, advice in hand...thats what I did. Sans the ONE finish nail I needed to drive....that was it....I am now writing to you from the same table.

PERHAPS, if you leave it be, it is the content of whatever that is in the chipboard underneath or in the lyno that caused it the fracture. It may be less noticable in the spring, and at a more stable "state" that you can start the repair or redecorating if need be. Best of luck to you.
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:06 AM   #13
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Sorry to see your damage.

I'm sure I'm in minority here, but if it were mine I'd put in some kind of synthetic low cut or berber carpet. I'm single, no kids, and I'm certain I could keep this carpet looking new for a decade if it had a good quality fabric.

I think with a good pad it would serve as bit of insulation. Just a hunch but it may tend to breathe a little bit and help keep the floor dry.

This is my plan if damage occurs to my vinyl floor. Certainly in your case I can not see carpet being damaged by the same conditions which caused your damage.
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My guess PO did the floor with a residential vinyl. Some residential vinyl can't take the expansion/ contraction of temperatures. I have marmoleum and a floating laminate floor in my 71 with no problems. Maybe it would be helpful if a few other post what they used for flooring. Manufacturers won't be of much help because they all will tell you not recommended for RV application.
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That new a 22' and the look of the material - I'm sure that is the original from the factory floor.
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I have the same trailer with the same floor. A 2006. 22' CCD. I haven't had problems yet but I can see how -41 would do that. Everything becomes brittle at that temp
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I sent a photo to Airstream... not sure there is much they can do as the unit is 6 years old. I've never heard of this issue before, but it seems somewhat common I guess... I think I'm going to go with the same rubber flooring we had in our Basecamp... if I can find a source for it...
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I sent a photo to Airstream... not sure there is much they can do as the unit is 6 years old. I've never heard of this issue before, but it seems somewhat common I guess... I think I'm going to go with the same rubber flooring we had in our Basecamp... if I can find a source for it...

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Problems with vinyl floors have been reported on the Forum before. Most are in places with very cold temps such as Canada, the US Rockies and northern states.

This is the first time I've read about cracking. All other reports have been of the vinyl developing humps as the subfloor contracts and the vinyl has no where to go. I imagine -40˚ (F or C is the same at -40˚) may be enough to cause cracking.

Our first hump was in front of the bathroom cabinet while still under warranty. JC fixed it by cutting out a thin strip, putting some glue underneath and a piece of quarter round trim over it. Since then we have had the same thing in front of the kitchen cabinet and in the middle of the floor going under the dinette table. I haven't fixed those.

I do not believe the vinyl is glued completely—they put some dabs under it. The contraction seems to be enough to make glue ineffective anyway.

The problem is they don't know how to install a floor. Any floor is supposed to leave room for expansion and contraction around the edges. Evcen cermaic tile is supposed to be installed that way. Usually 1/4 to 3/8" space all around is recommended. JC runs the vinyl across the entire trailer before anything is installed and places the partitions, cabinets and furniture on top. These items prevent the vinyl from expanding and contracting with the subfloor. They may use indoor vinyl and they may use indoor glue—nothing the factory does to save a few bucks would surprise me. When the subfloor contracts, the vinyl apparently doesn't contract as much and a bump appears; in your case, it cracked. If they did it properly, they would have to put trim all around the trailer and that would increase labor and material costs; so they opt for a cheap way of doing it.

For humps, if next to or near somewhere it can be pushed to a cabinet or wall, the JC fix would work. A hump in the middle of a floor will flatten once it gets hot and I put heavy things on it.

You have a different issue even though the cause is the same. Throw rugs are a quick fix. Many have replaced floor with laminate, cork, more vinyl (sheet or tiles) and other surfaces. Laminate is very heavy, cork and vinyl are not. Doing the trim is the hard part. Carpeting is another answer, but carpet is really hard to keep clean in a trailer.

We have discussed what to do and so far, not much. A trailer floor gets wet a lot from sinks, shower, and most of all, bringing the outside inside. There is no mud room. Laminates are not good for a possibly wet surface. Since a lot of dirt gets tracked in, something easy to clean is a good option and vinyl is that. Any tiles have to be fitted and sealed well. Cork can be very attractive. Some has to be sealed, some comes pre-sealed. I'd want something pre-sealed that I can seal one more time once it is down to seal the joints.

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They do not use glue - anywhere - it's layed on the subfloor and stuff is installed on top. When they rebuilt my 22' CCD I was there - they said "no glue" even on the edges.
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