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04-21-2008, 09:35 PM
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#101
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Rivet Master
1963 16' Bambi
1955 22' Flying Cloud
Yreka
, California
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,313
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In fact everyone, is there a Guiness world record for how many you can fit into a Flying Cloud, Lets make it so!
Don
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04-22-2008, 10:52 AM
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#102
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Rivet Master
1951 21' Flying Cloud
1960 24' Tradewind
West Coast
, BC
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,790
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It will be interesting watching you put yours together Don.
Two of my friends have recently acquired Flying Clouds (a '52 and a '53) and will be redoing them over the coming months. I'm sure they will be watching what you are doing very closely. I'm just very happy that I am past that stage and am using ours. Now, if another one was to come my way inexpensively it would be fun to redo it differently than I've done mine now. I could take all the learning I've done on what works and what I'd do differently and have a lot of fun doing another. One qualifier - it would need to be done without a finish time-line so I could take my time, one option I didn't have with our current baby.
Barry
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Barry & Donna
Life is short - so is the door on a '51 Flying Cloud (ouch)
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04-22-2008, 11:41 AM
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#103
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Rivet Master
1963 26' Overlander
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,640
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Quote:
Originally Posted by safari57
It will be interesting watching you put yours together Don.
Two of my friends have recently acquired Flying Clouds (a '52 and a '53) and will be redoing them over the coming months. I'm sure they will be watching what you are doing very closely. I'm just very happy that I am past that stage and am using ours. Now, if another one was to come my way inexpensively it would be fun to redo it differently than I've done mine now. I could take all the learning I've done on what works and what I'd do differently and have a lot of fun doing another. One qualifier - it would need to be done without a finish time-line so I could take my time, one option I didn't have with our current baby.
Barry
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Seems like the key to that is to have one you can camp in while you restore the other. And then maybe a third in case your first one has a problem...
(Pretty easy to see how people end up with multiple Airstreams, right? )
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04-22-2008, 03:29 PM
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#104
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Rivet Master
1963 16' Bambi
1962 22' Safari
Yreka
, California
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,937
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You are so right!
Quote:
Originally Posted by utee94
Seems like the key to that is to have one you can camp in while you restore the other. And then maybe a third in case your first one has a problem...(Pretty easy to see how people end up with multiple Airstreams, right? )
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Yup,
Glad we have one to camp in! Love our Bambi! But, I am glad there just isn't enough room in the yard for another project!
I am sure Don will use all the things he learned restoring the Bambi while working on the Flying Cloud. We know a few things he will do differently already! Now if the weather would only improve to be outside!
Mrs. NorCal Bambi traveling in S Tardis ~ from the Great State of Jefferson
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04-22-2008, 03:54 PM
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#105
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Moderator
1968 17' Caravel
Battle Ground
, Washington
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,255
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCal Bambi
In fact everyone, is there a Guiness world record for how many you can fit into a Flying Cloud, Lets make it so!
Don
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At Trout Lake last year I think I had ten in the Caravel, and it wasn't even crowded yet - no telling how many you can fit in the FC!
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04-22-2008, 05:35 PM
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#106
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Rivet Master
1951 21' Flying Cloud
1960 24' Tradewind
West Coast
, BC
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,790
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Quote:
Originally Posted by utee94
Seems like the key to that is to have one you can camp in while you restore the other. And then maybe a third in case your first one has a problem...
(Pretty easy to see how people end up with multiple Airstreams, right? )
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I just need to convince my wife that I need two more
Barry
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Life is short - so is the door on a '51 Flying Cloud (ouch)
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04-22-2008, 08:19 PM
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#107
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Rivet Master
1963 16' Bambi
1955 22' Flying Cloud
Yreka
, California
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,313
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Does anyone know how to get Guinnes to trout lake. Maybe we could set a Bambi World Record. Steph as I remember we were two of the ten. Life is good!
Don
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04-23-2008, 09:14 AM
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#108
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Rivet Master
1963 16' Bambi
1955 22' Flying Cloud
Yreka
, California
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,313
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Color and texture study
Here is a 3d color and texture study for the FC.
Don East's Art
SketchUp by Dawn
Don
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04-25-2008, 09:53 PM
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#109
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Rivet Master
1963 16' Bambi
1955 22' Flying Cloud
Yreka
, California
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,313
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With Airstreams what's even better than pink flamingos?
A real pink slip.
Ours now has one.
Don
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12-11-2008, 06:29 AM
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#110
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Rivet Master
1963 16' Bambi
1955 22' Flying Cloud
Yreka
, California
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,313
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The Cloud has not been forgotten. We've managed to collect some more parts for this project. Thanks to our friends. I'm looking ahead to this spring now. 63 Bambi is tucked away in the garage for the winter. Our first snow is expected tomorrow. Happy Hollidays to all.
Don
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05-03-2009, 08:01 AM
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#111
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Rivet Master
1963 16' Bambi
1955 22' Flying Cloud
Yreka
, California
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,313
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next try
Well nothing got done last season on the Cloud because of many distractions. I'm going to try again. I spent the last week cleaning and reorganizing the garage. I'm just about ready to role the frame in and begin. We have collected many parts an pieces for this trailer. I'm planning on adding gray, black, and clean water tanks inside the frame. I'm thinking on making my own tanks out of fiber glass. Any and all comments on fiber glass tanks would be welcome. Also ways of plumbing these tanks would be appreciated. If you have covered this in your Blog, etc. please pass on your site and or page locations.
Thanks Don
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05-03-2009, 08:20 AM
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#112
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Rivet Master
1975 Argosy 26
1963 24' Tradewind
Seattle
, Washington
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,341
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You know Don, I've been thinking of making fiberglass tanks too... it doesn't seem too difficult. There was an article in the Vintage Airstream newsletter some years ago that I found on the internet site... I'll see if I can find the month / year for you. This man even made a "split" tank... one half for grey, the other black!
I guess the hard part is putting in the fittings?
Marc
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05-03-2009, 08:32 AM
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#113
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Rivet Master
1963 16' Bambi
1955 22' Flying Cloud
Yreka
, California
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,313
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Tanks
Marc, thanks for the input on the Airstream article on Fiber glass tanks. My plan is to build negative patterns out of plywood to lay up the glass. My current thought is to put the first part of the plumbing fittings in during the initial grass layup. I'm also thinking of making one negative pattern for all three of the tanks. I would consider having a section on construction with pictures if there is enough interest in the process.
Don
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05-03-2009, 08:30 PM
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#114
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Rivet Master
1951 21' Flying Cloud
1960 24' Tradewind
West Coast
, BC
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,790
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It is good to see that the 'Cloud project is about to get a kick start again.
As for tanks I thought about building my own but it came down to cost versus time. By spending some hours on the internet I was able to obtain gray and black ABS tanks and Poly fresh water tank for a total of $400. I placed the order on a Monday and had them laying in the back of the shop 10 days later. No mess to deal with, no issues with building bucks, and the only thing I did to keep the cost down was for the gray and black I took existing tanks that were close and made them work. The fresh water tank was also an off the shelf unit but I had the manufacturer do the inlet/outlet fittings spin weld in place. The ABS tanks were glue in. Of course that fact that I'm not particularly handy with fiberglass and find I can create more mess than any other five people combined was a deciding factor for me as well.
Looking forward to watching your updates. And next year I'll be smarter about watching for the Area 33 announcement when it comes up so we can hopefully attend and meet you folks.
Barry
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Life is short - so is the door on a '51 Flying Cloud (ouch)
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05-03-2009, 09:16 PM
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#115
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Rivet Master
1963 26' Overlander
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,640
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCal Bambi
Marc, thanks for the input on the Airstream article on Fiber glass tanks. My plan is to build negative patterns out of plywood to lay up the glass. My current thought is to put the first part of the plumbing fittings in during the initial grass layup. I'm also thinking of making one negative pattern for all three of the tanks. I would consider having a section on construction with pictures if there is enough interest in the process.
Don
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Definitely interest in the process, would love to see whatever documentation you're willing to put together, thanks!
-Marcus
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05-06-2009, 07:10 AM
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#116
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Rivet Master
1963 16' Bambi
1955 22' Flying Cloud
Yreka
, California
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,313
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Holding tanks & Plumbing design
Here is the Holding tank and plumbing design for out 55 Flying Cloud. The trailer layout is shown in a light transparent image to show the location of all the parts. Color coding; Black for black tank, Grey for Grey water, Blue for fresh water and cold water pipes, Red for hot water heater and Hot water pipes. Please feel free to comment on the pros and cons of this design.
Thanks Don
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05-06-2009, 09:22 AM
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#117
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Rivet Master
1957 22' Caravanner
Port Hadlock
, Washington
Join Date: Dec 2008
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I'm probably going to make my black tank out of fiberglass. I'd go a different direction for the fresh tank as there are maybe some health issues and certainly taste issues there. I'm using ABS gray and fresh.
My black will be in the original location on my Caravanner, rear curb corner and above the floor. I'll use a moldless composite technique called stitch and glue, making the core out of either foam or plywood wired together at seams. Then the inside will get glassed, the wire pulled out, and the outside then glassed. I've done a couple small boats and a few tanks this way and it works well. Pretty sure I'll use West System epoxy as I'm comfy using it.
cheers,
steve
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05-06-2009, 10:19 AM
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#118
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Aluminum in 3-D
1968 28' Ambassador
Seaside
, Oregon
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 580
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Don, Great design on the tanks, as I know nothing about how to place for weight ect. I do like that the water heater is under the sink and next to the shower. Great for keeping water useage to a min. when boondocking. I hate waiting for hot water and watching the cold water go down the drain or having to save it.
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05-07-2009, 07:25 AM
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#119
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Rivet Master
1963 16' Bambi
1955 22' Flying Cloud
Yreka
, California
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,313
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Blue Pearl, good point about having hot water heater as close to shower as possible to save water. I was trying to follow the concept of "wet wall" used in architecture to keep the cost of things down. I hadn't thought about the travel distance of hot water travel and conservation of water. Boondocking is on of our favorite things and this is an important item. I think I might play with the design a little more to see if I can make greater improvements. Thanks Don
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Originally Posted by Blue Pearl
Don, Great design on the tanks, as I know nothing about how to place for weight ect. I do like that the water heater is under the sink and next to the shower. Great for keeping water useage to a min. when boondocking. I hate waiting for hot water and watching the cold water go down the drain or having to save it.
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05-07-2009, 07:30 AM
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#120
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Rivet Master
1963 16' Bambi
1955 22' Flying Cloud
Yreka
, California
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,313
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pbearsailor, Stitch and glue sound interesting. I've not heard of that technique before. Can you give me an internet referrence to study on this technique? I Think I might try designing a modular approach to this technique so different sized tanks could be built from a set of standard mold pieces. The ability of taking the mold pieces appart also allows for good storage of the mold parts.
Thanks for the info
Don
Quote:
Originally Posted by pbearsailor
I'm probably going to make my black tank out of fiberglass. I'd go a different direction for the fresh tank as there are maybe some health issues and certainly taste issues there. I'm using ABS gray and fresh.
My black will be in the original location on my Caravanner, rear curb corner and above the floor. I'll use a moldless composite technique called stitch and glue, making the core out of either foam or plywood wired together at seams. Then the inside will get glassed, the wire pulled out, and the outside then glassed. I've done a couple small boats and a few tanks this way and it works well. Pretty sure I'll use West System epoxy as I'm comfy using it.
cheers,
steve
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