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Old 01-18-2007, 04:16 PM   #1
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23' or 28'?

Thank you to everyone who has answered my many questions on this forum!

Now, for another: We have a 1999 28' Excella Classic. It is a wb. Would a 23' Safari SE be easier all around? I know there is not as much space (duh), but wonder if the lighter weight and narrower body would make a big difference in towing, hitching and unhitching and just overall easier?

The 28' (more like 30' I think) is a beautiful and comfortable AS, but, it seems really BIG! Would a 23' seem much smaller, as far as working with, not living in?

We have a tv that tows the 28' very well, so that is not a problem. As far as a Hensley hitch goes, I don't want to get one for the 28' if we should decide on a 23'.

Any opinions about the above would be greatly appreciated!

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Old 01-18-2007, 04:42 PM   #2
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We had a '99 Safari 27 (measureded 27 feet, 11 inches) and like everything about it except pulling it. Wide body became a thrill when dealing with detours and road construction. We alwayed had to survey fueling stations carefully to make sure we could enter and exit with such a long trailer. Tight RV parks were also something to contend with.

Now we have a Safari 23 and and can maneuver it quite easily through all the places mentioned above.

We do have less storage, but by leaving home the things we never used in the big trailer, storage is quite adequate.

In between these two trailers, we had the 19er which was just too small.
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Old 01-18-2007, 04:46 PM   #3
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howaboutta 25?

I went from the 22ft CCD to the 25ft FB SE. The wider body was a shock the first time I towed it. Other than that the 22 and the 25 feel about the same, I can still park across two spaces in most larger lots. If you're not living in it, go with what pleases you most. You've obviously got a tow vehicle that can take either.

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Old 01-18-2007, 05:26 PM   #4
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Thanks!

Antique Pedaler, Your report is exactly what I wanted!

Foiled Again, Congratulations on your FB! That is a floorplan I love. I think that I might be more comfortable towing a nb over a wb. I know that 6 inches is not much, but in my head is seems like it is. So, maybe a 23' is in our future.

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Old 01-18-2007, 05:51 PM   #5
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I have the 28'
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the 6" width increase is a real big deal. I can't see behind me when towing.

I have to wiggle the trailer to get a rear view.

I am seriously looking at the 28 to 23 move myself.
28 is great to fulltime, but a thin 23 or less for the weekend, please.
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:18 PM   #6
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Split The Difference

You are the one to please, so make the boss happy and you will be happier.

We have the 25'. The older models are not as wide. The 70's models are lighter.
25' is the largest some campsites allow.
Personally, if I full timed 30' would be the minimum, 25' for weeks at a time and 23' for weekender's or solo.
What bath configuration do you prefer? Mid bath or rear bath.
Have heard good things about the CCD center bath but we have the rear bath which is not the greatest for this hulking body.
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:26 PM   #7
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We Chose a 23'

It's just the two of us so the 23' meets all our needs. There is surprisingly lots of storage, so between the trailer and the truck bed (covered) we think we have all we need for extended traveling. The 23' tows very nicely and I have had no trouble negotiating some tight places.

The only downside to the 23' is the smaller holding tanks and making the bed that's only open on one side. We're learning how to conserve water so we can go more than two days between full hook-ups. Still trying to figure out how to make the bed.
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:32 PM   #8
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Drumpy, I think just like your reply!

fastrob, I think the thing I have with the 28+' is mainly the width. Then, I think that when hitching and unhitching the shorter and lighter might be easier, in my mind , though there is probably no real reason. We have changed from a class B to the AS, so the size of the 23' will still be quite roomy.

As you can tell, I am not sure of anything and appreciate your replies for me to think about.

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Old 01-19-2007, 11:20 AM   #9
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Um - you guys with the 28 footers: I have a 97 Safari 25 that is in good shape - tows like a dream. But I lust for a 28.

My trailer plus how much cash?

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Old 01-19-2007, 11:24 AM   #10
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I've had the narrow body 19' Bambi (similar to the 22 and 23' units) and a 25' wide body that I still currently have. Towing, providied you have the proper tow vehicle usually won't make a 28' any more or less problematic as the smaller units. I think the larger units tow better IMHO.

Like Pat said, if you want a 25' we'll be happy to sell you either of ours as a happy mid point between the shorter and longer ones you mention...I've been thinking of going to either a MoHo or a 31'.
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Old 01-19-2007, 11:36 AM   #11
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My first Airstream was a 23' Safari. I now own a 31' Sovereign. I have an easier time backing the 31 footer than the 23 footer. We usually have several folks with us too, so the extra space is great. I have thought about going down to a 28 footer, but don't think I would go back to a 23. Of course, none of these have been WB, so I can't give you an opinion on that. I have not found any difference in the hitching between the two sizes.
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Old 01-19-2007, 12:15 PM   #12
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We don't do the trailer park thing as we still desire the "real" campsite experience. Anything larger than a 23 would keep us out of the woods.

Our 23' is an easy tow. The size works great for the 2 of us. Agree the black tank is too small. We really like the extra space in the 25's and 27's but doubt if we would go larger.
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Old 01-19-2007, 12:30 PM   #13
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Interesting...

we have a 26ft Argosy (eight foot wide, not 8 and 1/2)- perfect for our family of 4. While I LOVE the CCD/SE's, I've always been curious about those extra 6"... which looks huge inside AND out.

I too have been through some really narrow spots on the coast, campgrounds, and construction sites, and have always said "whew, good thing we weren't any wider!"

Too bad AS won't make those EU Airstream available here, I'd think they might be surprised how well they'd sell.
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Old 01-19-2007, 12:45 PM   #14
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Drumpy, I think just like your reply!

fastrob, I think the thing I have with the 28+' is mainly the width. Then, I think that when hitching and unhitching the shorter and lighter might be easier, in my mind , though there is probably no real reason. We have changed from a class B to the AS, so the size of the 23' will still be quite roomy.

As you can tell, I am not sure of anything and appreciate your replies for me to think about.

Thanks,

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I've had a 25', and now a 21'. The process for hitching is the same for whichever size you settle on, don't see any advantages either way there.

You seem to be leaning toward the 23' and wanting to justify it. (?)
If that's what you want to do, just do it. You are the one you have to please. (and possibly a spouse)
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Old 01-19-2007, 02:03 PM   #15
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I have a 22' CCD and refuse to go bigger. It is just the right size to squeeze into those tight and secluded National Forest campsites. Towing with my F-150 is a snap. While it is not as spacious as larger trailers or home, it provides me, my wife and 2 daughters with adequate facilities and living space for up to 2 weeks. With the awning and an EZ Up shelter, we have lots of outside cover.
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Old 01-19-2007, 03:41 PM   #16
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I have owned a 22;, a 25', and a 28' (actually 29' long). I find the 28 just as easy, all things considered, as either of the smaller trailers. The 28 is easier to back and hooking up is the same.

I can think of only 2 differences:
  • I have to consider more carefully where I go with the 28. Size is a consideration in parking lots and confined spaces/
  • The exrra width is a don't care except very rarely in construction zones. Again, it is a matter of looking ahead to keep out of trouble.

Since we tend to spend weeks at a time in the trailer, I wouldn't want one smaller at this point.
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Old 01-19-2007, 03:48 PM   #17
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There will be absolutely no difference in hitching/unhitching a 28' or 23' trailer. The 28' will actually be easier to back up than the 23' for 95% of the trailering population because the trailer axle is further from the tow vehicle and therefore is somewhat less responsive to steering changes (a good thing). If your only problem is with the extra 6" of width, consider purchasing some McKesh tow mirrors or other quality portable tow mirrors which will allow you to see around the trailer better without having to buy another vehicle. If money is no object, purchase a tow vehicle with mirrors that adjust sufficiently such as the F series Ford trucks. As others have posted, if you just want to trade trailers, "just because", then do it, but trading for the reasons you bring up don't seem to me to be valid reasons.
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One thing to consider outside of what's been talked about here is that typically you see folks "upgrade" to a larger RV more often then "downgrade". Select carefully and save yourself some money by doing it once. As folks have said, there isn't much towing difference between a 23' and 28'....some, but nothing I'd be worried about.
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6" in width is only 3" per side... using towing mirrors should resolve this. Hitching/unhitching will be exactly the same between 22 and 28. If you don't have an electric jack, perhaps installing one on your current trailer would help.Additional length makes backing easier. However, added length means you must allow for a bit wider turns, and camping spots must be longer. Perhaps you are running into campgrounds that don't accomodate the extra 6'?Selling yours and buying another means cost (depreciation, taxes, fees...) and if you buy used you will inherit unknown prior problems. If your trailer is otherwise good, I would stay with what you have. YMMV
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I have the 28'
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the 6" width increase is a real big deal. I can't see behind me when towing.

I have to wiggle the trailer to get a rear view.

I am seriously looking at the 28 to 23 move myself.
28 is great to fulltime, but a thin 23 or less for the weekend, please.
I got my standard mirrors replaced with pull out mirrors - that are heated and adjustable from the inside, just like the original equipment mirrors. The WB took some adjusting to, but if you get Bigass adjustable mirrors you can do it. Real narrow country roads with mailboxes and ditches on the right and oncoming cars on the left are hairy, but usually don't have that much traffic. Don't let the wide body dictate your choice, go for the whole package. I confess if I had unlimited money I'd have a 16 Bambi for weekends - maybe even grocery shopping, keep the 22 for week long trips and go to the 27 FB SE to live in.

Gawd it's aluminitis times three!

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