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Originally Posted by Canoe stream
Tow capacity and combined tow vehicle/trailer rating (GCWR) are less important figures in the load equation.
You want to make very sure that your tow vehicle is never beyond it's individual max weight (GVWR), whether you are driving it alone or towing a trailer.
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hi bob, denafamily and other weight watchers.......
dena family......
the avalance can tow a 22/23 safely...buy the trailer, go campin' and enjoy!
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now bob,
i disagree with the first statement quoted above and the 2nd is a confusing contradiction....
lets start where we agree....
the 'tow ratings' figures most vehicle manufactures offer are confusing;
for several reasons...
-like the exclusion of optional equipement from the figures,
-the need for optional equipment when towing (hitch, tranny cooler, engine cooler, bigger brakes, gear ratios...and so on)
-allowing for reasonable passenger loads, fuel and so on...
on to the dispute.....
repeatedly i read your declaration that........."GCWR is less important....."
-how do you arrive at this view?
-what is the source that supports this view?
-does anyone else agree with this view?
-why do you keep suggesting this to folks new to towing?
the gcwr is the final, absolute (if arbitrary) total figure that should not be exceeded...
it is the
total weight of everything (car, trailer, hitch, people, pets, fluids, fuels, gear, options, accessories, food, toys, safety devices, instruction manual, warranties, support crew, ref'r magnets, rock collections, coupons, travel books, spare keys, richard simmons lookalikes....and so on...)
it is the
maximum allowable moving mass......
so 'all of everything' that is rolling, being drug or bouncing along...see the list above
it is the
max total mass...
that is stalled, started, stopped, turned, swooped, parked and CONTROLLED.
????
so why do you think it a..... 'less important figure in the load equation?
when,
it is the final figure for the load equation...
any thoughts or rebuttals?
now for the confusing part....
"You want to make very sure that your tow vehicle is never beyond it's individual max weight (GVWR)"
- agreed this is true; agree gvwr is important...
- but, but, but, but if someone where to suspect/realize
they were exceeding this figure once the trailer tongue was added,
they might be inclined to shift stuff inside the trailer
to lessen the tongue load some...
and reduce tongue weight so they don't exceed gvwr....
or they might move cargo from the t.v. to the trailer...
that 2 would reduce payload and get them under gvwr.......
which you've suggested it is so important.....
but what if they are still over the gcwr?...
which is "less important" say you...
aren't they still ...........................SCREWED?
with regard to the ratings, and legally and safety?
so let me put it to you and others another way...........
IF forced to exceed a weight/towing limitation.........
which would you choose, the gcwr or the gvwr?....
gotta pick one or the other...
no choice for neither
no choice for tossing stuff
no fedex or balloon delivery service....
no way out.....
and nobody gets off that easy....
the ncc and gwr for the trailer isn't exceeded
regardless of choice
what about it bob?
cheers
2air'