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Old 05-30-2008, 07:40 PM   #21
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You need a friend in Alabama,no title required on trailer{I think it`s older than 10 yrs}.I have a brother there who registered my Spartanette with just a Bill of Sale from FL.,got the Alabama plate,towed to Ohio.He then wrote me b.o.s. since Alabama doesn`t have title Ohio issued me one. Dave
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Old 05-30-2008, 08:14 PM   #22
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I'm sure somebody would take your money. But keep in mind a person with a salvage title may not operate it on a public highway, even in Texas.

A person who holds a salvage vehicle title for a motor vehicle:

(1) is entitled to possess, transport, dismantle,
scrap, destroy, repair, rebuild, reconstruct, record a lien on, and sell, transfer, or release ownership of the motor vehicle or a used part from the motor vehicle; and

(2) may not operate or permit the operation of the
motor vehicle on a public highway, in addition to any other requirement of law.


Where did you get your information about not being able to operate a salvage title vechicle or trailer on a public highway in Texas?

How would you get the salvage title returned to a regular title after it was made road worthy???

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Old 05-30-2008, 08:53 PM   #23
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Where did you get your information about not being able to operate a salvage title vechicle or trailer on a public highway in Texas?
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Post number 19 contains language directly from the Texas statute. In other words it's a direct quote from the law itself.

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How would you get the salvage title returned to a regular title after it was made road worthy???
You would need to file an application for certificate of title by the rebuilder of a salvage vehicle. There are specific provisions in the law for this type of application.
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Old 05-30-2008, 09:05 PM   #24
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It has been my experience the rule rather than the exception is when you get to the end of the line and are told no get on the next line and 50/50 you will get a yes. I was told no a bunch or times and then contacted a state management level DMV employee and he gave me his stamp of approval and instructed the local DMV to give me what I was entitled to.
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Old 06-01-2008, 08:02 AM   #25
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A few years ago I bought a deer lease trailer with no title, bill of sale only. I was in the processs of selling it and wondered what it would take to title it. The ladies at the Hays County accessors office gave me the name of a title bonding company, I don't recall the name. The company wanted all the pertinent info on the trailer in an attempt to put a value on the trailer. For a fee they would issue a bonded title or something to that effect. For this trailer it wasn't worth the expense incurred. It may be in your case.
My advice would be to go to the Travis County tax accessor, get in writing EXACTLY what they require. It might be better to get that info from the head cheese vs. the the folks at the front counter.
That being said, I have on numerous occasions questioned the personel in the accessors office until it was absolutely clear that I was doing the right thing to satisfy their requirements without wasting time and money. Be absolutely clear, be nice, and don't take "I think" or "I don't know" as an answer and you should get thru the tape unscathed with some money left over. Good luck

Utee94...I picked my Airstream in Hyde Park. It took a welder to get it home. It's a piece...but has potential.
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:46 AM   #26
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Just checking back and wanted to post my thanks to everyone for their contributions and for the interesting discussion.

swhite-- Hyde Park? Really?? I've been dreaming of finding one just within 300 miles or so, Hyde Park would be amazing!
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Old 06-01-2008, 12:17 PM   #27
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On a related subject - does anyone know how I can do a title search in Texas? I'm curious how many owners my trailer has had....

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Old 06-01-2008, 05:17 PM   #28
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filing a bond when an application for title is denied

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A few years ago I bought a deer lease trailer with no title, bill of sale only. I was in the processs of selling it and wondered what it would take to title it. The ladies at the Hays County accessors office gave me the name of a title bonding company, I don't recall the name. The company wanted all the pertinent info on the trailer in an attempt to put a value on the trailer. For a fee they would issue a bonded title or something to that effect. For this trailer it wasn't worth the expense incurred. It may be in your case.
My advice would be to go to the Travis County tax accessor, get in writing EXACTLY what they require. It might be better to get that info from the head cheese vs. the the folks at the front counter.
That being said, I have on numerous occasions questioned the personel in the accessors office until it was absolutely clear that I was doing the right thing to satisfy their requirements without wasting time and money. Be absolutely clear, be nice, and don't take "I think" or "I don't know" as an answer and you should get thru the tape unscathed with some money left over. Good luck
Good advise. And to go along with good manners sometimes it helps to know exactly what the language says directly out of the Transportation Code:

Texas Transportation Code, Chapter 501, Certificate of Title Act

§ 501.053. FILING OF BOND AS ALTERNATIVE TO HEARING.
(a) As an alternative to the procedure provided by Section
501.052, the person may file a bond with the department. On the
filing of the bond the department may issue the certificate of
title.
(b) The bond must be:
(1) in the form prescribed by the department;
(2) executed by the applicant;
(3) issued by a person authorized to conduct a surety
business in this state;
(4) in an amount equal to one and one-half times the
value of the vehicle as determined by the department; and
(5) conditioned to indemnify all prior owners and
lienholders and all subsequent purchasers of the vehicle or persons
who acquire a security interest in the vehicle, and their
successors in interest, against any expense, loss, or damage,
including reasonable attorney's fees, occurring because of the
issuance of the certificate of title for the vehicle or for a defect
in or undisclosed security interest on the right, title, or
interest of the applicant to the vehicle.
(c) An interested person has a right of action to recover on
the bond for a breach of the bond's condition. The aggregate
liability of the surety to all persons may not exceed the amount of
the bond.
(d) A bond under this section expires on the third
anniversary of the date the bond became effective. The department
shall return an expired bond to the person who filed the bond unless
the department has been notified of a pending action to recover on
the bond.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
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Old 06-01-2008, 08:12 PM   #29
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I was looking into the bonded title late Friday, and am going to follow up more on it tomorrow. It is effectively an insurance policy to cover your risk exposure in the case that there is actually someone out there with a legitimate clear title, so that they can recover their property or its value.

So my question is, if such a title holder DID appear, how would the State verify the legitimacy of his claim to the title? Presumably his name would have to be on record somewhere as the last clear title holder.

So that leads me to the question, how can I find out who that person is, and then take steps to have them transfer the title (or the ability to claim the title) to me?

Anyway, I'm planning on going to the tax assessor/collector tomorrow, but so far my research is telling me that it's going to be REALLY difficult to get a clear title in my name. This is so discouraging...
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Obtaining a title history is apparently quite challenging for various reasons.

However, a request for motor vehicle information can be made under certain circumstances to the Texas Department of Transportation. Lots of privacy issues involved: Request for Texas Motor Vehicle Information

You might also try one of the private title searches. I'm not sure how much information you'll get. Might be worth a try though. Keep us posted on how it goes and what you find. Vehicle History Reports

The TEXDOT website has lots of helpful information and lots of forms to keep you happily filing for days: Vehicle Titles and Registration Forms

BTW I for one would be a mite suspicious about a trailer or any vehicle for that matter without a title?
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:08 PM   #31
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Thanks for the information, Todd. I'll see what the County has to say about it tomorrow.

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BTW I for one would be suspicious about a trailer or any vehicle for that matter without a title?
Yup, me too. I realize that titles can get lost over a period of 50 years, but the last two owners have only had a Bill of Sale, and I don't believe either one of them ever made an effort to register. The real risk I see is not that this is a stolen vehicle and that a rightful owner will someday make a claim against it, but rather that it is a salvaged vehicle, which means there are even MORE major hoops to jump through in order to get a proper title and registration.

As you've already pointed out, it's illegal in Texas to operate a salvage vehicle on the public motorways.

What a pain...


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Old 06-01-2008, 09:16 PM   #32
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Legal bills can definitely add to the cost and time-until-you-can-camp valuation of a trailer. From what I can tell there are plenty of trailers out there with clear titles. On the other hand you might find one that warrants doing the necessary title researches and registrations. These vintage models definitely involve lots of labors and pesos, Amigo. Better find one you love!
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:19 PM   #33
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Legal bills can definitely add to the cost and time-until-you-can-camp valuation of a trailer. From what I can tell there are plenty of trailers out there with clear titles.
I'd agree in general, but when you're looking for something as specific as I am, the pond gets quite a bit smaller. Even so, there's always another one...
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Marcus, might as well just admit it you like fishin' in small ponds!
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Old 06-02-2008, 06:26 AM   #35
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Marcus, might as well just admit it you like fishin' in small ponds!
Heh! Sure seems that way doesn't it? Maybe I'm afraid of the ocean or something...

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First call to the tax assessor/collector's office still leaves a lot of ambiguity.

The person I talked to asked if the trailer was less than 4000 lbs gross (since it's a 50s Overlander, it is indeed less than 4000 lbs). When I replied that it was less than 4,000 lbs, she told me that these trailers are rarely titled in Texas. In order to register it, I would still need to submit the Form 130U Application for a Texas Title, and then pay all of the appropriate fees (and of course sales tax at 6.25% of the purchase price).

But this doesn't sound right to me, I know other Airstream owners in Texas carry titles on their TTs, so I'm still going to have to stop by the office and hopefully talk to someone further back behind the front desk.
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On a related subject - does anyone know how I can do a title search in Texas? I'm curious how many owners my trailer has had....

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Ken, just saw this comment. If I come across the answer to this during my research, I'll gladly fill you in. I believe Todd posted some links that might help you do this in the state of Texas.

Since the trailer I'm looking at ('58 Overlander similar to yours, the one we traded a couple of PMs about a few weeks ago) was once in New Mexico, if you know anything about how to do a title search in NM that might help me out eventually as well.

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For what it is worth, I have titled trailers(utility) with no titles on numerous occasions, different animal I know. I am not sure how this applies, nor do the tax man representatives it seems. Go to the top, explain the situation. It is doable. This isn't the first time someone has done this.
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I've hit a brick wall with this title search stuff - not like it used to be where they would give you the info - as I understand it the only way to do a title search is to hire an attorney and even then you need a good reason - I think researching my 58 is a GREAT reason - but I guess they don't

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Ken,

Don't they understand how important Airstream history is??

Maybe you could make up something, like you found out there could be another title holder and you want to cover your risk exposure by proactively searching?

swhite-- yes, it seems to me that the person I talked to is under the impression that this one would be like a utility trailer since it is under 4K lbs. It doesn't seem right to me, but you make a good point that this CAN'T be THAT unusual, and certainly there are provisions for doing so.

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