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Old 03-08-2018, 11:20 AM   #1
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2018 Flying Cloud 25FBT vs 27FBT MSRP vs actual

Two things: Size and price

I am vacillating between a 25 and 27. I've read several accounts saying that one doesn't get their money's worth with the 2 extra ft a 27 offers. We are planning to buy an Ford F150 as a TV. What are the advantages/disadvantages of each in your humble opinions?

Also, I understand that some of you have negotiated prices 15-20% below MSRP. What were your strategies and rationale? We won't be ready to purchase until June-ish and I'm guessing 2019s will be coming in and dealers will want to move their 2018s, no?

Forgive me if this subject has already been covered in previous threads. Perhaps you could direct me to them if so. I welcome any and all comments. Thanks in advance for your counsel.

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The 25FB has a GVW of 7,300 pounds while the 27FB has a GVW of 7,600 pounds. The always understated Airstream literature tongue weights are 25FB at 837 pounds and the 27FB at 791 pounds (from the 2017 sales literature).

Our 2013 25FB International Serenity had a literature tongue weight of 833 pounds. At the selling dealership with added street side and rear awnings, a 155 watt solar panel, full fresh water and propane tanks a a Hensley Arrow hitch head installed, the tongue weight was 1,150 pounds. Fully loaded for camping and all of the tools placed at the tailend off the trailer, the tongue weight was reduced back 1,175 pounds.

Many stock pickup truck receivers are only rated for 1,200 pounds tongue weight. Also the Ĺ ton world does not have the greatest payload range and by the time one puts their gear in the back, a passenger and driver and full fuel tank, there not be enough payload left for the tongue weight of the trailer without exceeding the net payload number for that specific truck's door post label.

So real world numbers from crossing the truck stop style CAT sales can tell the operator if the rig is within weight limits for the towing vehicle.
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Old 03-08-2018, 11:50 AM   #3
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We have a 2016 27 FB FC and really like it. For us the orientation of the queen bed in the 27 was a big deciding factor. We tow with a 2016 F150 3.5 eco-boost and it does fine. You will want to pay close attention to the payload sticker on the drivers side door frame and look around till you find one that's adequate because they will vary a lot based on models and options, ours is 1780 lbs.
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Old 03-08-2018, 11:58 AM   #4
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We ordered a 2019 a few weeks back and are taking delivery in August. If you are looking at June, I would consider ordering and putting the deposit down now as it may be many months before it's delivered.

You can definitely negotiate to the 15%-20% off range, even on a 2019. I would look for even more than 20% off a 2018 if I was buying one off the lot in June.
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Old 03-08-2018, 12:53 PM   #5
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"We have a 2016 27 FB FC and really like it. For us the orientation of the queen bed in the 27 was a big deciding factor."
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That was the big factor for my sweetie with our buying a 27FB. if you want twins, there's probably not that much reason to get a 27 over a 25, but if you want a queen, the North/South bed in the 27 makes a big difference. Plus, you get a little more storage both in the hanging closet and in kitchen storage.

We bought ours in November and got 20% off MSRP.
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Old 03-08-2018, 01:18 PM   #6
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We have a International 25FB. If I had it to do over again I would buy a 27FB, purely for the bed orientation as others have mentioned. I am actually currently considering trading in for a 27 for that very reason. Otherwise the 25 is a great size for the way we use the trailer.

The reason I originally chose the 25 over the 27 was from reading on various sources about length limitations at some parks and forest campgrounds. So far all the places we have stayed a 27 would fit just fine. I have researched some campgrounds that have a 23 or 24 foot limit so have avoided those, even though I suspect I could squeeze my 25 in just fine.
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Old 03-09-2018, 09:07 AM   #7
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I pull a 2018 Flying Cloud 27 FB with a 1/2 ton Toyota Tundra gasoline engine. So far no problems, and I have been as high as 4800 feet. I can maintain 65-70 MPH on highway and am also satisfied by acceleration when needed for merging.

The way to shop is to call out-of-state dealers and ask for a price on a particular unit. You will find out pretty fast what the market is. Then go negotiate with the dealer that is close to you. That worked well for me. You can get a lot less than MSRP. If the local guy won't deal, you can drive to where the best price is to buy.
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Old 03-09-2018, 10:57 AM   #8
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Floor plan options

July 1, 2012 we bought a new 28 FC with the rear bedroom mainly for the extra storage over the 25 and the configuration of the dinette separate from the sofa area (and of course the north south bed as previously mentioned). Also agree that you need to contact several dealers and let that be known - we easily got approximately 20% off msrp. Very happy with choices. Have had no problem fitting in to several CA state parks, for example, that have 25 foot restrictions on sites - can always back in over the edge of site to fit. We opted to go with Chevy 3/4 ton diesel to tow with (love the extra power, in the mountains particularly). We criss cross the country regularly so had to have enough tow capacity and extra power.
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Old 03-09-2018, 02:04 PM   #9
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How about a 26'?

We were torn as well 25? or 27?. After long discussions and viewing floor plans...we bought a 26'. Several reasons why. Our (37yr) son has Cerebral Palsy and struggles with tight showers. The 26' has one of the largest shower areas in the fleet. Another reason...we found that some campgrounds move 27+' trailers to outer sites (away from bath houses). We LOVE this layout. We ordered it from a new AS dealer and received a great discount (25%).

What ever you decide... be sure you like the layout...we think it's the most important issue when deciding what to buy.

Good luck.

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Old 03-09-2018, 04:00 PM   #10
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I have a 27FB. Echo the comments on the queen bed orientation, the closet space and the larger pantry.

If I was to do it again I would go for the 30í to get the separate dinette and sitting area. Watching TV or entertaining at the dinette is not very comfortable.
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Old 03-09-2018, 05:03 PM   #11
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Howdy neighbor! All great feedback above, although I don't have more to contribute, I do leave you a link that you may already know but good to share it again for good reference:

https://www.fleet.ford.com/towing-guides/

Payload is one of the most important keys. Make sure you look for that sticker on the driver door and/or make sure you tell the sales guy take a pic of it for you!
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Old 03-09-2018, 05:19 PM   #12
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The 25FB has a GVW of 7,300 pounds while the 27FB has a GVW of 7,600 pounds. The always understated Airstream literature tongue weights are 25FB at 837 pounds and the 27FB at 791 pounds (from the 2017 sales literature).

Our 2013 25FB International Serenity had a literature tongue weight of 833 pounds. At the selling dealership with added street side and rear awnings, a 155 watt solar panel, full fresh water and propane tanks a a Hensley Arrow hitch head installed, the tongue weight was 1,150 pounds. Fully loaded for camping and all of the tools placed at the tailend off the trailer, the tongue weight was reduced back 1,175 pounds.

Many stock pickup truck receivers are only rated for 1,200 pounds tongue weight. Also the Ĺ ton world does not have the greatest payload range and by the time one puts their gear in the back, a passenger and driver and full fuel tank, there not be enough payload left for the tongue weight of the trailer without exceeding the net payload number for that specific truck's door post label.

So real world numbers from crossing the truck stop style CAT sales can tell the operator if the rig is within weight limits for the towing vehicle.


What he said^
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Old 03-09-2018, 06:12 PM   #13
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We moved up from a 23D to a 2018 25 International Serenity FBT back in Dec and could not be happier. IF the queen bed is what you want, then you should probably go with the 27, but we really wanted the twin layout. It not only gives you more usable floor space, but the beds are from front to back, just like the queen in the 27. This twin layout also makes the unit feel larger as your walkway extends the entire length. Also something to think about, the length of the twin beds in the 2018 are 80 inches long (78 inches in the 2017) . If either you or your spouse are tall...the 75 inch queen beds in either the 25 or 27....are going to feel short. Also...the queen bed is 60 inches wide (30 inches for each of you) and the twin beds are 34 inches wide. You each will gain another 4 inches on the width of the beds.
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Having towed our 27 FB with a Tundra, I can say the truck was definitely overloaded. If your tongue weight is truly 1,000 pounds, you will not have much payload left after subtracting the weight of the occupants in the truck. Add a couple of generators and you are at your limit.
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Two things: Size and price

I am vacillating between a 25 and 27. I've read several accounts saying that one doesn't get their money's worth with the 2 extra ft a 27 offers. We are planning to buy an Ford F150 as a TV. What are the advantages/disadvantages of each in your humble opinions?

Also, I understand that some of you have negotiated prices 15-20% below MSRP. What were your strategies and rationale? We won't be ready to purchase until June-ish and I'm guessing 2019s will be coming in and dealers will want to move their 2018s, no?

Forgive me if this subject has already been covered in previous threads. Perhaps you could direct me to them if so. I welcome any and all comments. Thanks in advance for your counsel.

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#1- 25 fb twin would be my choice
Why? Size matters with a 1/2 ton and you will be a lot happier with that combo than any other. I bought into the North South bed and its not worth the extra 2 ft. Go twin and you get a North South bed.
To summarize:Just better handling and parking and weight capacity for a half ton truck. How many times have I said to myself," should have had bought a 25FB twin. There that's about 101 times.
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#1- 25 fb twin would be my choice
Why? Size matters with a 1/2 ton and you will be a lot happier with that combo than any other. I bought into the North South bed and its not worth the extra 2 ft. Go twin and you get a North South bed.
To summarize:Just better handling and parking and weight capacity for a half ton truck. How many times have I said to myself," should have had bought a 25FB twin. There that's about 101 times.
+1 The 25FB twin is a pretty great unit if twins work for you. We love ours!

We negioated to 21% off MSRP from the Portland Airstream dealer after getting out of state quotes and playing them against one another. We started with RVOne in FL and the Los Banos, CA dealer. Just tell them what you want to order (this works best with factory orders.) You can have the trailer transported to you if you get a great out of state deal, just be careful not to pay sales tax. Hopefully the local dealer will just match it. They want to talk you into one that’s in inventory but unless you are in a hurry a factory fresh one is usually cheaper and hasn’t been toured by a hundred people.
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:27 AM   #17
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It is possible for a dealer to change an order to about six weeks out from production date.

All that changes is the alphabet soup in front of the six digit serial number at the end of the VIN.

This is from my personal experience of changing a 2014 27FB Classic order to our 2014 31' Classic for just the just over $3,000 price differential. Of course that change also cured the two foot itis creep very cheaply.
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