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Old 06-25-2016, 03:52 PM   #1
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I just listed my Airstream on the classifieds here. I got a very quick offer by text. He said he wanted to buy it and said he would pay by pay pal. Asked for my email and pay pal name. Said he would send a truck/freighter to pick it up.
Sounds way weird. How can I be scammed if I get the $$ in my pay pal account before releasing the trailer?
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Old 06-25-2016, 03:58 PM   #2
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Run, run away. Anyone that claims they will buy sight unseen is a crook, stupid or crazy.
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They can make a claim that they didn't get the item and PayPal will reimburse them and debit your bank account.
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Old 06-25-2016, 04:01 PM   #4
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So many ways.
https://craigslistpostingsecrets.wor.../pay-pal-scam/
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Old 06-25-2016, 04:02 PM   #5
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He simply files a paypal protest, doesn't pay you, and you are out a trailer....


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Old 06-25-2016, 04:33 PM   #6
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Is it possible that the offer is from a legitimate buyer? Sara has a rare trailer for sale:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f534...ml#post1810908

http://www.airstreamclassifieds.com/...ri-23-georgia/

Sara, have you replied to the offer within the classifieds system and asked for similar background info. on the buyer? Like PayPal ID, email address, phone numbers, eBay ID if any, and so forth? If you keep it confidential within the Air classified's system, you might find out whether the buyer is legit IMO.

If they did not reply in the Air class. system, text them back and ask them to do so. They already have your cell number I guess. They will have to create a user ID etc. to do so. If they refuse, probably best to let this fish go IMO.

It would be a shame to lose a fish on the line, but without further assurances, the risks might be excessive.

Will research more later when I am back home.

Good,luck!

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Old 06-25-2016, 04:34 PM   #7
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E Bay and now it looks like Craigslist only protect the BUYER even when he is a crook.

When E Bay went to a Pay Pay requirement and some of my buyers did not have an account I would note in my discretion "If I can spend it you can send it". Never had any problem with the Green stuff.
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Old 06-25-2016, 04:35 PM   #8
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Rate or not, no reasonable person drops $30k sight unseen!

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Rate or not, no reasonable person drops $30k sight unseen!

Run!
"no" as in 100%?

Have you seen the ad and photos? What's the harm in Sara checking up on the buyer per my recent post? If it is a scam, she will have the reassurance that she gave a possible good deal a chance, before running away at the first inkling of trouble.

If the buyer jumps through the hoops Sara sets up, why not find out if the offer could pan out?

We're talking about taking control of this negotiation, and being in charge, instead of slamming on the brakes at the first sign of "trailer sway" !



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Old 06-25-2016, 05:10 PM   #10
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It's hard to be sure. All I know is that the hair on the back of my neck rose up. It's too easy.

Sight unseen offer is what triggered my paranoia. Add sending someone else to pick it up is another.

I made a very good living being s paid paranoid for many years. I trust my instincts, double check everything, and still worry. Nature of the business of a computer security guy, unfortunately.

Just be double darn careful. PayPal is not, and never will be as good as a real bank, or real cash.

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...and Sara should not forget the Paypal fee she'll have to disburse. Is it 5%? That's a pretty big discount.
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Old 06-25-2016, 05:15 PM   #12
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rmkrum, if the buyer jumps through the suggested hoops, including registering on Air Classifieds etc., why not proceed within the communication framework provided?

If they balk, they're out!
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I made a very good living being s paid paranoid for many years.
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Where does one apply for such a position?

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Be careful if they send you a link to Paypal to which they ask you to log on for account info. The link will be generated by them leading to a false Paypal login page. If you login using their link, they will have your account number, password and access to any and all accounts you have linked to Paypal. They will drain your accounts in short order.

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Old 06-25-2016, 05:37 PM   #15
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I got an email the other day, purportedly from PayPal, something about bypassing login information or something of that sort. It had a link.

I thought it was spam and just deleted it.


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Old 06-25-2016, 05:52 PM   #16
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"no" as in 100%?

Have you seen the ad and photos? What's the harm in Sara checking up on the buyer per my recent post? If it is a scam, she will have the reassurance that she gave a possible good deal a chance, before running away at the first inkling of trouble.

If the buyer jumps through the hoops Sara sets up, why not find out if the offer could pan out?

We're talking about taking control of this negotiation, and being in charge, instead of slamming on the brakes at the first sign of "trailer sway" !




First - I meant "rare" not "rate" and you *may* be right but I can't imagine someone buying any $30K purchase sight unseen unless they're in the 1% Bernie has made famous. So think about that...maybe 1% of the population can afford to drop $30K without knowing what they're getting. So what are the odds you're dealing with that person? Just 1%!

If it's too good to be true, run. But do whatever you want - we're all adults 😀
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I got a similar offer for mine. I told them cash or cashier check in person only. Never heard from again. Google the email address. My "buyer" had multiple complaints.
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Where does one apply for such a position?


Spend about 40 years in the computer business, be a very fast learner, understand multiple computer operating systems intimately, have a supportive boss, and be in the right place at the right time. Then spend ten years herding cats (programmers) into doing it within the rules.

Having a CISSP certification is also helpful.

And add in a degree in electronics, computer science, and management of information systems.

Modesty, charm, and good writing skills help, plus the ability to tell management "not only no, but hell no!" and make it stick when it came to enforcing security.

No, it wasn't ever easy. But it was a hell of a fun ride, and even in retirement I've still got my fingers in it.


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Old 06-25-2016, 06:21 PM   #19
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Tell them you will do it through an online escrow service, like escrow.com.
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Old 06-25-2016, 06:25 PM   #20
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SSM, I was factoring in the rareness of the 1969 trailer, and Sara's apparent honesty and dedication in renovating the beauty.

Priceless!

And yes, if the chance of this buyer being legitimate is only 1%, isn't this better than -- ZERO -- percent chance if she dumps him (or her) now?

Again, why not take charge of the negotiation and put the buyer through the hoops suggested?

It's part of the FUN -- to turn the tables, like when you get a cold caller on the phone line and you immediately raise your voice, interrupt them, and ask for their home phone number and residential street address.

Fun while minimizing risk using the Air Classifieds communication system as the safety net.

Of course some people don't have the time or patience . . . No prob . . .



PS recent suggestions of cash or certified check in person, or an escrow service, make sense also.
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